On scale, yes. The first action you mentioned is completely common (except possibly the “long-term” part). The second action you mentioned is extremely rare (a random murder).
Ah… the sweet voice of reason and sanity. Must admit I didn’t notice the red hair, but then again I’m an Engineer, not an artist, thanks for the artistic tip. Also thanks for injecting a note of the real world into this somewhat surreal topic.
They both contribute to the breakdown of society and the effects come out in many ways. You think that folks who fornicate, without remorse, have properly formed consciences that are only in error on issues of non marital sex?
The measure of undue tolerance in these responses is sad. As Catholics, we should not support sex as recreation, which this clearly is. It is lewd, and scandalous. That said, this display is near the norm of the usual bilboard sized sleeze at the malls, in this store and others.
I am hoping you do not mean that nudity in art started in the french salons. You might want to look at the Greek aesthetic which pre-dated the salons by centuries and which, by the way, was neither intended nor interpreted as scandal.
You are trying to answer a question with a question. I asked
So the ancient Greeks had the grace of the Christian ethic? They are our models now to follow Christ?
Did I say that they did? Answer: no.
Did I say that they did? Answer: no.
The commentary about the salons and the Greek aesthetic was about nudity. There are some points of compare/contrast, but that discussion has not been entered into.
So do I.
Both are wrong. I try not to minimize either one, or excuse either one.
Have you ever read anything by the Catholic priest Father Andrew Greeley? What he has written is a whole lot more lewd than what is shown in these pictures. And in addition, he uses blasphemous expressions. By the way, according to the book dust jacket cover, his lewd novels have received praise from at least one Catholic cardinal.
Fornication also endangers someone else’s soul, murder does not necessarily do so. So, if we’re thinking eternally, fornication might be worse. The loss of one eternal soul is worse than all the temporal suffering in the world since the beginning of time.
Sad if true, but I doubt this was intended to celebrate Ash Wed. I occurs to me the arts have one god, and that is freedom of expression, and theater is of course no exception.
Of course, you are correct. The pagan Greek classical art forms were a different religious expression, from a much different culture, time and morality. As far as any scandal during that time, intended or interpreted, it is hubris (the greatest Greek sin) to say that we know anything for sure through the veil of 2500 years.
It depends on if she is doing it willingly or not. If you are forcing her to abase herself like this you are abusing her. I cannot see how a truely loving husband could treat his wife this way.
I agree that both are sins, but to equate fornication with murder or to imply it is worse as Genesis and others on this thread have done is unbelievable!!
Both may lead to damnation and both hurt society. My point is there is a great tendency to minimize things like fornication. Most everyone agrees stabbing one to death is evil, few agree fornicating or abortion are always evil or bad for scoiety.
Thank you Pope MikeWM I.
If the perspective is that of eternal life, the devil might prefer people fornicate. If that is what Satan wants people to do, is it better?
Should a Catholic priest be worshipping the god of lewd and blasphemous expression and should Catholic colleges teach students to worship the goddess of lewd expression? Or is it preferable to worship the Christian God, especially at a Catholic college on Ash Wednesday? With the situation that we have today at Catholic colleges and with the lewd novels written by a Catholic priest, I don’t see how anyone could seriously object to this relatively mild display.
Thank you.
Is that an apologetic for forgoing scholarship?
I think I already made my piqued point in my own words. But in different words, perhaps better words: the VS mall display is not about nudity. It is about sexuality violently removed from its God-given natural context which is marriage.
Generally, I will go along with you. But that is not to say that contemporary realism is necessarily about the exploitation of sexuality.
That depends on where the Mall is. In Quebec, the Mall is where the extended family meets once a week. They do their groceries, their other shopping, but mostly they just hang out and babble and tell jokes and – of course – compare hockey notes.
I disagree. The VS mall display is subject to critical techniques which form a part of reasonable discourse. And these techniques of course go beyond “I like it / I hate it” or “it’s fabulous / it sucks.” Reason is one of the gifts which the Good Lord gave us for approaching Truth. Not the only gift – but certainly one of the gifts.