Virginia parish severs ties with Knights of Columbus over plans to honor Gov. Terry McAuliffe

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FaithfulKnight said:
Why not contact the Council and let them know how you feel?
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I’ve passed this link to my husband - he’ll be furious as his council has worked so hard for the pro-life movement. There’s a council meeting next week and he’ll bring this to their attention. Not surprising that even in the Knights there are those who put their political proclivities ahead of their faith.
 
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Knights of Columbus responds: “The State Council deeply regrets the violation of policy…”

It does not appear they are rescinding the selection of Gov. McAullife. Or is that wrong?
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I don’t believe so. Sounds to me like they are justifying the invitation by saying that the Knights don’t like to mix politics into their events.

From the statement:
The Knights prefer to keep politics out of such celebrations as a general rule, wrote Steve Burnley, and usually discourage inviting politicians. But other governors as well as political and civic leaders have served as grand marshal in the past, he wrote.
“The parade is a nonpartisan, apolitical civic event that is open to the public…” Burnley wrote. “The Governor’s participation should be understood in that sense alone.”
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I’m not a Knight, but I am ashamed for them in general and ashamed of them in Virginia…

Peace

Tim
 
If I had to guess, I would suppose that someone in that council with strong political ties to the governor pushed his selection through for a partisan political advantage for the governor. People don’t stop having political biases just because they are in a church-supported group. (I am not familiar with the actual situation, this is just a guess based on what I’ve seen in small group politics.) With charity, I would hope that the KoC member’s Democratic political goals were not related specifically to the governor’s scandalous support for the abortion of children, and that he might not have considered that. One would hope that he would withdraw based on this, but it sounds like he (or several Knights) are doubling down because to withdraw the governor’s name would serve as a rebuke to him, and could hurt his social standing as being seen as a “good Catholic” who is supported by the Knights.

What happens now that the parish has severed ties? Do they continue as an organization but have to find their own meeting hall, etc.? Does anyone know?

If the governor continues to officially participate, it seems the best option would be for Catholics to boycott the parade or counter-protest.
 
Orogeny said:
I don’t believe so. Sounds to me like they are justifying the invitation by saying that the Knights don’t like to mix politics into their events.

From the statement:

I’m not a Knight, but I am ashamed for them in general and ashamed of them in Virginia…

Peace

Tim
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I feel the same way. The State Councils statement was wishy washy and we still have the specter of a KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS COUNCIL HONORING A PRO-ABORTION POLITICIAN!!!
 
There has to be someone in that K o C group, or more than one, that the dems used to get Terry McAuliffe as grand marshall. I remember his name, but I can’t place him. Did he work for Obama or Clinton?
All the same, the fact he is not pro-life and the K of C have asked him to be part of the parade is scandalous. I am glad the bishops are behind the priest.
 
What disgusts me is the yahoos commenting in support of the K of C statement on Pilotonline.com. Me thinks they are clueless trolls who look for an opportunity to Catholic bash. :mad:
 
Every Catholic should boycott this parade and attend an alternative event …

I emailed the council.

The fact is many people will steer clear of the KOC councils in other locations - if this council is the example of what the KOC’s stand for and support …
A spokesman for the governor said McAuliffe is looking forward to the parade.
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“The Governor is a lifelong Catholic who takes his faith very seriously,” said Brian Coy. “He also believes in keeping government out of decisions that should be left to women and their doctors, or to consenting adults who love each other.”
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:confused: not very seriously - obviously
The same Knights council extended an invitation to Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam last year:The organization rescinded the invitation when the same objections were raised.
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:eek: onviously very slow learners or obstinately anti-Catholic in their live Christian ideals
 
YADA said:
Every Catholic should boycott this parade and attend an alternative event …

I emailed the council.

The fact is many people will steer clear of the KOC councils in other locations - if this council is the example of what the KOC’s stand for and support …

:confused: not very seriously - obviously

:eek: onviously very slow learners or obstinately anti-Catholic in their live Christian ideals
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And of course the Knights are now endorsing this absurd position.
 
VA State Council put up a really lame “we’re investigating” thing on their website. As an image that very quickly changes.

The State Deputy sent out, to some knights, a really lame email that basically says, “just because the governor was invited doesn’t mean we agree with him.” Which is nonsense. That’s about as good as Terry’s “I take my faith seriously, I just don’t follow it” comment.

I’m going to email the State Deputy and let him know that if Terry appears, and nothing happens to this council and their officers, well, then I’ll be sending my membership card in and the state can send it back to me when they rediscover that they’re men who can take a stand.
 
ARSpade said:
VA State Council put up a really lame “we’re investigating” thing on their website. As an image that very quickly changes.

The State Deputy sent out, to some knights, a really lame email that basically says, “just because the governor was invited doesn’t mean we agree with him.” Which is nonsense. That’s about as good as Terry’s “I take my faith seriously, I just don’t follow it” comment.

I’m going to email the State Deputy and let him know that if Terry appears, and nothing happens to this council and their officers, well, then I’ll be sending my membership card in and the state can send it back to me when they rediscover that they’re men who can take a stand.
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Forget subsidiarity at this point - can’t Supreme step in? What does Carl Anderson have to say?
 
ARSpade said:
…I’m going to email the State Deputy and let him know that if Terry appears, and nothing happens to this council and their officers, well, then I’ll be sending my membership card in and the state can send it back to me when they rediscover that they’re men who can take a stand.
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Awesome 👍
 
The past of the Catholic Church is so riddled with scandal, from the betrayal of Judas and the denial of Peter, up to the child abuse scandal at the end of the last century. If people bailed based on human failure it would not have survived the first century. This story is newsworthy because it is so unique. Instead of throwing in the towel because of sin, why not re-double participation because of the saints that we see in K of C?
 
pnewton said:
The past of the Catholic Church is so riddled with scandal, from the betrayal of Judas and the denial of Peter, up to the child abuse scandal at the end of the last century. If people bailed based on human failure it would not have survived the first century. This story is newsworthy because it is so unique. Instead of throwing in the towel because of sin, why not re-double participation because of the saints that we see in K of C?
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As an active Knight in another state, I am very troubled by the chain of events, and based on my very incomplete information, someone in the Council or State K of C did something very wrong, and now they don’t know how to handle it.

One poster asked about whether the Council would have to find a new home, now that the parish no longer affiliates with them. The answer is that if the Council meets at that parish, they would have to rent space somewhere else. But perhaps they were only endorsed by that parish, not hosted there.

What is the role of the Council chaplain? There ought to have been ongoing communication about policy in general. (My fear is that with the priest shortage the chaplain may have multiple other duties, so unable to be attentive). There also is a State Chaplain. The Council ought to have a prolife chairperson, the State Council certainly has one.

The Council obviously erred horribly by inviting this man. But now, to disinvite the governor after publicly asking him is much harder than skipping over him in the first place. Of course they should still do it. The one who is hurt most by this is the governor. He is the one who will face judgement someday. A wishy-washy message from the K of C is exactly what he does not need now. Let us all pray for the people involved here - and especially for the right to life.

Don’t let this scandal outweigh the enormous good the K of C does for Prolife.
 
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The Council obviously erred horribly by inviting this man. But now, to disinvite the governor after publicly asking him is much harder than skipping over him in the first place. Of course they should still do it. The one who is hurt most by this is the governor. He is the one who will face judgement someday. A wishy-washy message from the K of C is exactly what he does not need now. Let us all pray for the people involved here - and especially for the right to life.

Don’t let this scandal outweigh the enormous good the K of C does for Prolife.
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I would urge all to take this statement to heart.
 
FaithfulKnight said:
I would urge all to take this statement to heart.
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The Council obviously erred horribly by inviting this man. But now, to disinvite the governor after publicly asking him is much harder than skipping over him in the first place. Of course they should still do it. The one who is hurt most by this is the governor. He is the one who will face judgement someday. A wishy-washy message from the K of C is exactly what he does not need now. Let us all pray for the people involved here - and especially for the right to life.
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Don’t let this scandal outweigh the enormous good the K of C does for Prolife.
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If that is the end of the matter then your plea makes sense … however, this is the second year this council has made a decision to honor the purveyors of death to children … the example they set can lead to more “catholic” purveyors of death to children to be re-elected and elected - after all this guy [McAuliffe] must be good the KOC’s like him… which can and will probably will lead to more purveyors of death to children being honored in future parades, etc… Does every council get two passes … and it doesn’t reflect on the whole? … really :confused:

If you think that the teen or young person watching the parade is not influenced in living their faith by the leaders that are exhibited before them then you don’t understand human behavior much … and those who are honored but who exhibit the lowest standards appeal to the young … A hard lesson we all learned during the 1990s … where we were told that oral sex is not really sex … and we should stay out of peoples private lives … that lead to an increase in oral sex in teenage populations and an increase in STDs due to that sexual activity …

If abortion is the killing of innocent children - it is!.. then honoring a person who advocates for that position is not the message we need to send to our children and grandchildren …not one time … not ever …
 
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