Virginia Tech Massacre (Worst in U.S. History?)

[Harpazo]

This a horrible act. Apparently it’s made international headlines. I live about 40 minutes from Tech. My biology teacher from last year, who happens to go to my parish, has a son that attends there. He was actually supposed to be in the German class where the killer cleared the room. Thanks to God’s grace, her son wasn’t feeling well so he slept in.

What upsets me about this is that in my area of Virginia, if this were to happen at some smaller school, no one would really pay much attention to it. I’m somewhat annoyed at the fact that no one seems to recall the Massacre at Beslan three years ago. Chechen terrorists captured a Middle School in Russia and murdered over 180 innocent children and killed almost 200 more people.

We must always remember terrible acts of violence and evil around the world, not just in our own backyard. It’s only a matter of time before we forget about 9 11.

In Pax Christi
Andrew

 

[Aramis]

I disagree totally that brutality is woven into the fabric of American society. I think the majority of Americans are normal, law abiding citizens and are not violent by nature. These terrible tragedies are caused by mentally unstable people who needed help and didn’t get it.

Jennifer

Spend some time listening to middle school students in the public system sometime… At least, in Anchorage, the cognizance of and accepatbility of using violence is EXTREMELY high.

These kids have come to believe that “capping a thief” is a good thing, even if it is a week after the theft. They also have come to believe that the system can not and will not protect them from their fellow students. Far from all, but a significant minority, enough of one that these miscreants shape for the negative ALL the students’ academic lives.

This shooting is a tragedy, but it is part of the moral decay that is already evident in the schools.

 

[Imryl]

I think you still need some work on your conditions. When a person is on life support, unable to eat or drink, even unconscious, killing them is still murder in all states, and (I think) almost all countries.

Like I said, there’s a stipulation for everything.

how did you come to this conclusion?

How? I thought it through. And it’s simply my opinion.

So lets hope that you are never rendered unconscious at anytime.

No, let’s hope that I’m not rendered incapacitated to where I can no longer take care of myself.

Abortion is just another way to say murder. Its just sounds a lot better to call it abortion.

You can call it whatever you want. I’ll still sleep soundly either way.

You should care. 4,000 children have been chopped into peices and flushed down the sink since this thread began

Should, maybe… but I dont.

And that doesn’t change my point at all.

Either way, it’s a shame when people try to make a political statement about abortion when acts of violence like this are fresh in everyones mind.

 

[mesquite_magic]

Yep, there are a great many of you who don’t care about murder, whether a life that haven’t had a chance outside the womb, or the indiscriminate murder of students at a school. That is quite apparent.

Murder is murder. Murder and abortion are not mutually exclusive.

Actually some of us care about those already living. But we digress… this thread was titled Virgina Tech Massacre, not Let’s Start An Abortion Debate. I have the Virgina Tech victums on my mind. If you want to talk abortion, why disguise it in a thread about Virgina Tech.

Kim

 

[st_lucy]

Actually some of us care about those already living. But we digress… this thread was titled Virgina Tech Massacre, not Let’s Start An Abortion Debate. I have the Virgina Tech victums on my mind. If you want to talk abortion, why disguise it in a thread about Virgina Tech.

Kim

How sad. How can one choose who deserves to be cared for and who should not? The unborn are alive. And abortion is MURDER!

 

[4HisChurch]

PLAL I agree with you and feel that something more is needed.
Does anyone notice that this thing is escalating, it was high school now it is at the college level. These aren’t children anymore, mad because someone was picking on them. At our work we have a system that says that if we are having a bad vibe about a worker we call a yellow alert if there are any threats we call a red alert to the mangaement, no blase over this no ‘whitewashing.’

Even on a national level he may have been paid, we need more investigative done , this is like a predator thing or suicide bombing with guns. It is very sad.

Continue to pray for your each individual state and those of your relatives as our prayers need to be more direct. dessert

You know, I thought of that connection today too. This is hardly different from a suicide bombing. How in the world can we ever stop it? Metal detectors and the like are not the answer.

Also, what does it say about our society that we have what amounts to “suicide bombers” in our schools now? The kids from Colombine (that generation) are now in college. What have we done to our children to perpetuate this?

An entire generation has grown up with parents who are too busy looking at themselves in the mirror to raise their children. Even those children who don’t necessarily have those types of parents, still live in a society where others do.

God is the only answer.

 

[RyanL]

I personally draw the line when said life can be maintained reasonably outside of the womb with assistance (After 26 weeksish.)

You should care. 4,000 children have been chopped into peices and flushed down the sink since this thread began

Should, maybe… but I dont.

All right, champ. According to the *Alan Guttmacher Institute *(one of the most pro-abortion groups out there), roughly 1% of all abortions in this country are “late term” abortions.

That means that roughly 40 of what you would consider babies have died horrible deaths today. That’s still more violent deaths than at VA Tech. And it happens every day.

Do I think you care about these kids now that they qualify under your definition?

No. I’m not that naive. I used to think like you, and it wouldn’t have bothered me.

I was a moral wretch - and I actually believed I had thought it through…

So what can I do about you?

Pray. Same thing I can do about VA Tech, and the same thing I can do about abortion.

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[mesquite_magic]

How sad. How can one choose who deserves to be cared for and who should not? The unborn are alive. And abortion is MURDER!

When was the last time you protested the genocide in Durfar? I care about life, too. I pick and choose my causes the same way you do.

Once again, I have to ask, what does Virgina Tech have to do with abortion? hmmm… other than the fact that if the murderer’s parents had decided to abort, 32 people would alive today.

Kim

 

[Imryl]

That means that roughly 40 of what you would consider babies have died horrible deaths today. That’s still more violent deaths than at VA Tech. And it happens every day.

Do I think you care about these kids now that they qualify under your definition?

No. I’m not that naive.

Just because I don’t necessarily agree with it doesn’t mean I intend on going out there and protesting how I feel another person should treat their body. Abortion is a personal decision… I should not be permitted to make that decision for you or anyone.

And you’re right, I don’t actually actually care anything for those 40 children. I’m not the one who has to live with it for the rest of my life.

 

[estesbob]

Just because I don’t necessarily agree with it doesn’t mean I intend on going out there and protesting how I feel another person should treat their body. Abortion is a personal decision… I should not be permitted to make that decision for you or anyone.

And you’re right, I don’t actually actually care anything for those 40 children. I’m not the one who has to live with it for the rest of my life.

Yet you seem to support the Mother making the decision for her child, The idea, BTW, that the child is part of the mothers Body is utter nonsense. most people learn that in 6th grade science class.

 

[Imryl]

I’m sorry, but until that child can live and breathe on it’s own without the umbilical cord then it is very much apart of my body. That is my view, and no amount of chatter or insults is going to change my position.

They teach evolution in high school. But I’m going to assume you don’t subscribe to that theory. Imagine that, adults being able to make their own decisions about how they think life works.

Amazing. Completely unheard of.

 

[mary_bobo]

I’m sorry, but until that child can live and breathe on it’s own without the umbilical cord then it is very much apart of my body. That is my view, and no amount of chatter or insults is going to change my position.

They teach evolution in high school. But I’m going to assume you don’t subscribe to that theory. Imagine that, adults being able to make their own decisions about how they think life works.

Amazing. Completely unheard of.

Normally I would welcome a new poster to our forum. In your case, might I suggest that you take your unkind remarks elsewhere. We do not all agree here, but most of us try to express ourselves with a little more grace and class.

 

[RyanL]

I’m sorry, but until that child can live and breathe on it’s own without the umbilical cord then it is very much apart of my body. That is my view, and no amount of chatter or insults is going to change my position.

So if you’re pregnant with a boy, YOU have both male and female genitalia?!?

Then, at some arbitrary point determined by the state of technology which happens to be in close proximity (viability), you suddenly (poof) lose one set of genitalia and (surprise) keep the genitalia you started out with?

You’re seriously saying that a women pregnant with twins is an eight-legged freak?

And you’re a teacher?!?

They teach evolution in high school. But I’m going to assume you don’t subscribe to that theory.

Why on earth would you make such an assumption?

Imagine that, adults being able to make their own decisions about how they think life works.

Look, this is basic demonstrable science we’re talking here. No embryologist in the world would agree with your position. You’re free to believe whatever ridiculousness you please, but please don’t try pawning it off as properly founded in either science, philosophy, or rational logic. If you think that being against abortion is ridiculous, we can chat about that…

I assure you, however, you will not come up with an argument which supports abortion which doesn’t also permit either infanticide or forced euthanasia…but then again, maybe you support those as well. I don’t know. I haven’t asked. I can’t say I would be terribly surprised these days.

Amazing. Completely unheard of.

Indeed!

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[Imryl]

If you’re going to respond with insults as Estesbob did, Mary… Then don’t expect responses from people that aren’t dripping with just as much sarcasm.

Very simple.

 

[mary_bobo]

This a horrible act. Apparently it’s made international headlines. I live about 40 minutes from Tech. My biology teacher from last year, who happens to go to my parish, has a son that attends there. He was actually supposed to be in the German class where the killer cleared the room. Thanks to God’s grace, her son wasn’t feeling well so he slept in.

What upsets me about this is that in my area of Virginia, if this were to happen at some smaller school, no one would really pay much attention to it. I’m somewhat annoyed at the fact that no one seems to recall the Massacre at Beslan three years ago. Chechen terrorists captured a Middle School in Russia and murdered over 180 innocent children and killed almost 200 more people.

We must always remember terrible acts of violence and evil around the world, not just in our own backyard. It’s only a matter of time before we forget about 9 11.

In Pax Christi
Andrew

You are right, Andrew, about the massacre at Beslan. Unfortunately this is a media driven society in this country and the media decides what is “fit to print” and what is not and it usually is whatever suits their political leanings.

 

[Imryl]

And you’re a teacher?!?

No.

I never said any of those things either. Try again.

 

[Montalban]

All the top news coverage the last 24 hours has been about the Virginia Tech Shooting Massacre which killed 33 people including the shooter. The coverage of all the media has been about this story the last 24 hours and still going. I feel sorry for the parents, relatives, friends and acquaintainces to all those who were shot/murdered.

Was this really the worst massacre in U.S. History?
What are your thoughts?

153 native Americans killed at Massacre of Wounded Knee
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

 

[RyanL]

"RyanL:

So if you’re pregnant with a boy, YOU have both male and female genitalia?!?

Then, at some arbitrary point determined by the state of technology which happens to be in close proximity (viability), you suddenly (poof) lose one set of genitalia and (surprise) keep the genitalia you started out with?

You’re seriously saying that a women pregnant with twins is an eight-legged freak?

…er…correction…six-legged freak…it would take triplets to make her an eight-legged freak…

No.

I never said any of those things either. Try again.

You said that an unborn child pre-viability “is very much apart (sic) of my body.”

If that’s so, how do my questions not logically follow?

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[Montalban]

I’m sorry, but until that child can live and breathe on it’s own without the umbilical cord then it is very much apart of my body.

I think you mean ‘a part of’ not ‘apart of’.

However the fact that the baby lies within a woman’s body doesn’t mean it’s part of the woman’s body. It’s like a ‘foreign object’ (different DNA, blood-type, etc.).

If you were shot in the stomach would you say that the bullet is ‘part of your body’?

If you were infected by a virus that depends on you, is that then part of ‘you’?

The unborn child is a unique being in a unique relationship. An individual different from, but dependant upon the mother.

They teach evolution in high school. But I’m going to assume you don’t subscribe to that theory. Imagine that, adults being able to make their own decisions about how they think life works.

You seem to assume that teaching evolution means allowing people to make a choice. Why is it more ‘freer’ than not teaching evolution, or teaching something else?

 

[Montalban]

You said that an unborn child pre-viability “is very much apart (sic) of my body.”

If that’s so, how do my questions not logically follow?

God Bless,
RyanL

Indeed, given she thinks she’s both herself and the baby then a woman can have (potentially - and in this case, actually) two sexes as she contains both her female genitalia and the male genitalia of her unborn son… which is herself.