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dessert
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I think what he or she is saying he or she would not be carrying a gun (armed) because it is against God’s law to kill anyone. Dessert
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AngelRose81
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I don’t think you ever will see media coverage of that, as sad as it is to say:crying: .
For some reason, the US seems to consider some murders worse than others. Personally, they are all horrible acts of murder. But that is just my opinion.
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Legal_Eagle
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It’s a horrible tragedy that sheds light on the brutality that is woven into the very fabric American society. But the worst massacre in U.S. history? Wounded Knee jumps to mind.
But to be fair about it, I think what the commentators are saying is that it is the worst single shooter “Luby’s” type case in our history.
But to be fair about it, I think what the commentators are saying is that it is the worst single shooter “Luby’s” type case in our history.
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Jennifer_J
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I disagree totally that brutality is woven into the fabric of American society. I think the majority of Americans are normal, law abiding citizens and are not violent by nature. These terrible tragedies are caused by mentally unstable people who needed help and didn’t get it.
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littlepaperstar
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Let’s also not forget the lives that were lost on September 11, 2001.
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irishmac
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But, had you been carrying a gun under those circumstances, you’d be covered under the Just War doctrine of the Church, would you not? You are allowed to use escalating force for the protection of the innocent and unprotected. If it was me, I would attempt to mame, rather than kill. I have qualified with several guns while in the military, and I am confident in my abilities. Therefore, it would be merciful for me to shoot the perpetrator in a non-fatal region, but, if my opportunities have been exhausted, I’d unfortuantely have to kill to protect the innocent.
Now, the next question would be: would I feel guilty? I don’t know. Maybe. I would feel horrible that I had shot and killed a person, but I would know that I prevented the murder of possible many more innocent individuals.
I would still go to confession for it, to be sure.
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seekerz
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Most news reports I know of have been very careful to say “worst shooting massacre”. There have been other incidents with greater death tolls.
As for the concern that the media’s not crying out about abortion, that’s like expecting people who never heard of Jesus to feel sorrow for His agony and death! These people first need to be be converted/brought to repentance before they can see abortion as murder, far less to report it as such.
It’s something I’ll never tire of saying. The only way to conquer sin is by bringing people to Christ; otherwise you have to fight the battle one sin at a time and by the time you get round to all of them you’ll find that you have to start all over again. I feel as much pain (maybe even more) over the many souls leaving this world never having really known God, as I do over the innocents being aborted. Why? Because they’ll both have an existence beyond this world they have to face and guess who’ll have the advantage then…
As for the concern that the media’s not crying out about abortion, that’s like expecting people who never heard of Jesus to feel sorrow for His agony and death! These people first need to be be converted/brought to repentance before they can see abortion as murder, far less to report it as such.
It’s something I’ll never tire of saying. The only way to conquer sin is by bringing people to Christ; otherwise you have to fight the battle one sin at a time and by the time you get round to all of them you’ll find that you have to start all over again. I feel as much pain (maybe even more) over the many souls leaving this world never having really known God, as I do over the innocents being aborted. Why? Because they’ll both have an existence beyond this world they have to face and guess who’ll have the advantage then…
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Ramalama
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When things happen to me I’m frequently surprised at how I react and how I feel later. Having said that, I would hope I would shoot as necessary and then thank God for putting me there to stop the killer. I also hope I would think to pray for all the souls, including that of the killer. Then I would probably go somewhere to change my pants.
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mesquite_magic
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AMEN!!!
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irishmac
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To be sure, but I think you are neglecting to discuss the intimidation factor added to person carrying a weapon. Police officers and security professionals bank on it. A person is more likely to refrain from activities when a person of authority is carrying a weapon. Imagine what the school or unioversity setting would be like if people were allowed to carry a gun around. There would be sense of intimidation permeating the air.
There is a definite reason why states do not give “conceal and carry” warrants to regular citizens. The 2nd Amendment protects your right to own and keep guns to protect your family and household.
Perhaps, if people had guns, then they could have stopped him from killing 32 innocent people. But, I think good Christian charity could have done the same thing. I think that this poor, misguided kid needed help and ran out of avenues of support. I believe that the news report I heard said that he had sought assistance somehow, but I don’t know what happened. This kid could have been felt alone amongst a crowd of 25000. Maybe he was home-sick. Who knows? But, this tragedy could have been prevented with some good ole Christian outreach.
I will pray for the souls of each and every one of those killed yesterday. I will also pray that the Lord will have mercy on the soul of this poor child who murdered so many people yesterday morn. May God grant him and each of the victims the Divine peace of the Lord’s presence.
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Ramalama
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Here (in Minnesota) you can have a concealed carry permit just for asking. You have to have completed a safety course, never have been committed as a harm to yourself or others, and not be a felon. Other than that, the sheriff has to issue the permit (“shall”, not “may”). Since the law went into effect the predicted disaster of murders everywhere has not happened.
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DL82
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I’ll put that sign in my window, provided I can display my Iaido and Kendo grades and a picture of my katana alongside it! In an enclosed space like my apartment, a sword would do as much damage just as quickly as a gun. You couldn’t commit mass murder with one though, whereas it’s all too easy for anyone, even a child, to commit mass murder with a gun.
That’s not to say that I disagree with the points on abortion. I agree that we should be against all violence against the innocent. A society where birth is a decision taken by people rather than a gift from God is a society living in fear.
The same indiscriminate killing of babies and indiscriminate shooting of innocents builds a culture of fear. Even owning a gun doesn’t take away that fear. If I were to face another swordsman, I could reckon up my chances based on how skillful we both were, and the lesser man would back down before ever drawing the sword. With a gun you can be as sharp a shot as you like, your chances are always 50/50 (less, because you can both kill eachother if you’re unlucky). Guns are about fear, they are weapons for making everyone afraid of everyone else. Perfect love casts out fear.
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irishmac
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WOW! Minnesota is rather lenient went it comes to conceal and carry. Here in Southern California, it is extremely difficult to get. Imagine California with millions of traffic weary motorists all with c&c’s. YIKES!!!
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Imryl
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One day maybe some of you will realize that a very good number of us don’t care how many abortions there are. Whether it’s taking a life or not.
I’m so glad we can relate this, along with every other topic about murder, to abortion.
I’m so glad we can relate this, along with every other topic about murder, to abortion.
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irishmac
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Yep, there are a great many of you who don’t care about murder, whether a life that haven’t had a chance outside the womb, or the indiscriminate murder of students at a school. That is quite apparent.
Murder is murder. Murder and abortion are not mutually exclusive.
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Imryl
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If you can not eat, drink or breathe on you’re own it’s not murder. (Excluding the period of time when you’re dependant as an infant or child outside of the womb. Or going through a medical procedure.) Even if the reason is it just hasn’t been allowed to develop.
I personally draw the line when said life can be maintained reasonably outside of the womb with assistance (After 26 weeksish.)
<And no I didn’t spend 3 days on this post to come up with all the stipulations to my previous statement, so go ahead and pick it apart. It’s very over generalized, so I expect it>
Either way, it’s a shame when people try to make a political statement about abortion when acts of violence like this are fresh in everyones mind.
I personally draw the line when said life can be maintained reasonably outside of the womb with assistance (After 26 weeksish.)
<And no I didn’t spend 3 days on this post to come up with all the stipulations to my previous statement, so go ahead and pick it apart. It’s very over generalized, so I expect it>
Either way, it’s a shame when people try to make a political statement about abortion when acts of violence like this are fresh in everyones mind.
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Ramalama
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I think you still need some work on your conditions. When a person is on life support, unable to eat or drink, even unconscious, killing them is still murder in all states, and (I think) almost all countries.
I understand what you’re trying to say, though. I simply disagree with you. Please consider the OP (and I) consider the 4,000 abortion a day abhorrent beyond anything else happening in the world. In my view there may never have been a greater human tragedy.
I understand your belief and will not criticize you for it. (If I already have in some previous post, I’m sorry.) You should consider yourself seriously prayed for, though.
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st_lucy
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Abortion is just another way to say murder. Its just sounds a lot better to call it abortion.
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PLAL
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A sword is nice to defend yourself but a criminal will get his hands on a gun whether it’s legal or not. Bringing a sword to a gunfight will be no match. Unfortunately you will no doubt lose this battle. Therefore we need to keep guns legal so those who follow the law can protect themselves and their families.
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estesbob
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You should care. 4,000 children have been chopped into peices and flushed down the sink since this thread began
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