No. I do not see us all like Stalin, other than what I quoted earlier. I’m not willing to evaluate Stalin’s act in a salvation sense. That’s above my pay grade. Do I pray for grace for him? Yes. But his actions here on earth were monstrous.
She said so. If you don’t want to listen to it all, start at the 5 minute mark.
You are the one making that claim. Not me. Obama is a leftist, to be sure, but he is not a communist.
So you are not capable of seeing other people as evil in some way, of negative value?
I was using other sources bc I couldn’t download it earlier. She is going to have a real tough time proving that it was an intentional release. There is no motive. She should have stopped with saying that the lab made it, if she can prove that.
Facebook and Instagram have no idea if this is “COVID-19 misinformation” or not.
There are degrees of evil. Most people are not responsible for the murder of tens of millions of civilians.
I agree, particularly now that she is no longer there and has access to information.
Oh, there are motives, but she says it well that you have to ask them.
Why is it that she shouldn’t express her views? If she believes it was intentional she has every right to say so.
There are degrees of evil behavior, I agree. But this is my question:
To label a person or part of oneself or others as evil is hatred. It is a full-stop dismissal of value, seeing a negative value in a person or part of ourselves. Do you have the humility to admit that you are just as capable of the hatred as Stalin?
What is the motive for releasing a virus that will kill many of your own population, even your own elderly relatives indiscriminately? What is the motive for possibly stopping the entire world from receiving products from you own nation in fear of spread of the virus? It makes no sense.
Of course she can express her views, but when she extends her views out of the science and into accusations of intentional release, she loses her credibility. If she can prove with strong evidence that the virus was made in a lab, fine. If she cannot prove that the virus was released intentionally, that not only takes away from her credibility, but it proves that she was making a very serious and slanderous accusation. For Catholics, that is sinful; It is bearing false witness.
That’s why I spoke of his actions. Listen, if you want to defend his actions, you’re free to. Hatred is also murdering people to benefit one’s own political power. That’s what he did.
China’s communist regime has an ongoing record of doing so. Ask them, but I suspect it is how they maintain power.
No she doesn’t. She’s made an allegation that says she can prove. We’ll see.
It seems weird that you’re criticizing her but spent the last few quotes minimizing the atrocities of Stalin.
For all Christians it is. So is the murder of tens of millions of civilians.
So, are you capable of seeing other people as evil in some way, of negative value, just like Stalin, just like me, just like everyone else?
I have no idea why you think I would want to defend Stalin.
I don’t see how you can make that add up. The regime wants to remain in power, so they release a virus that may end up killing members of the regime, or perhaps their own children or parents. If you are saying that they can easily do this (indiscriminately kill), then welcome to the club! You would be no different in capacity to hate as me, Stalin, and the rest of the human race.
This is an untruth. I did not minimize the atrocities of Stalin. I am saying that we are all capable of hate, and we all need to recognize it in ourselves. Saying that the communist regime is capable of indiscriminately killing their own loved ones, just to “remain in power” is hate. This is exactly the sort of thing that Nazis were saying about Jews.
I am capable of seeing people’s actions as evil. His was egregiously so. I have no reason to suspect you fall in that egregious category.
You keep going on about him bring like others.
It sure sounds like it. Do you agree that his actions were far more egregious Than most people? Do you agree that he acted on his evil tendencies?
It’s what they have a history of doing. It isn’t hate to point it out. That’s being honest.
Dishonestly. History shows it’s what they did to the Jews.
You are referring to actions, but I am talking about the way we characterize people’s value, their existence, their being as expressed by their God-given nature.OneSheep:
I am capable of seeing people’s actions as evil. His was egregiously so. I have no reason to suspect you fall in that egregious category.
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You keep going on about him bring like others.
Sorry, but his actions were monstrous.
Yes to both questions. However, now turn the questions around. Do you not, like all of us, have the same “evil tendencies”, yet you do not act on them?OneSheep:
It sure sounds like it. Do you agree that his actions were far more egregious Than most people? Do you agree that he acted on his evil tendencies?
Okay, and the Nazis pointed to things some Jews were doing “in history” and at the current time, and were saying that all Jewish people were like that. It’s called prejudice.OneSheep:
It’s what they have a history of doing. It isn’t hate to point it out. That’s being honest.
All hate is based on people’s real experiences and even some truth. Jewish people are like everyone else, there are some Jews who do bad stuff and behave unethically in the business world, and these are the cases that the Nazis used as evidence. Prejudice does not spring up out of thin air! Again, I am not defending the Nazis, I am saying that we are all like this, we all have the same capacity, and if I say “those people are capable of indiscriminately killing their own loved ones” this is a manifestation of the same capacity as Nazis or Stalin. It is an attribution of non-human (even non-mammalian!) characteristics to a group of people. When an individual kills someone he loves, he is either out of his mind in anger or insane. That would be an extremely tough case to make for an entire group of people acting in a premeditated way.OneSheep:
Dishonestly. History shows it’s what they did to the Jews.
That’s fine.
I don’t think anyone has denied that.
Concupiscence Is present in all of us.
It’s called racism. The words were untrue. We still hear untrue accusations today about the Jews in reference to the Palestinians.
Do you? I’ve never made that accusation.
No, it isn’t. If it is true that they have killed loved ones in order to maintain power. You added the word “indiscriminate”, not me.
Of course it makes no sense for them to do so. It made no sense for them to kill tens of millions of their own people since 1949.
Those accusations should be investigated, certainly, and not be accepted on face value. But the track record of the communist Chinese government is undeniable, and an investigation is warranted.
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Yes, some of the words spoken about Jews by the Nazis were untrue, but some of them were also true, because people who do evil can be found in any ethnicity or nationality. The same is true for what the Palestinians say about Jewish people, the prejudice is all untruthful, but some of what they base their thinking on is definitely true. Some Jewish people, just like all of us, do bad things, some worse than others.
Well, you can do the search of this thread, but mine shows that I have consistently used the word “indiscriminate”, and you have not contested the usage. If you are doing so now, then I think we are in agreement, that the Chinese leadership would not release a virus that indiscriminately killed their loved ones.
How about an example.
Again, an example. The recent peace agreements between Israel and Arab states shows who holds the overwhelming blame for the plight of Palestinians: Hama and the PA, and their supporters including BDS.
Thank you for your professional opinion on the likelihood of Sars-Cov2 being deliberately engineered. Now can you tell me, in your professional opinion, how one could go about selecting a sequence of C, T, A, a G that will result in a very infectious virus (as opposed to an avocado).
