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BelFarfalla said:
What? Now are you saying that there is something wrong with Aramaic?

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did i said that? im just saying that you have translation(greek) of translation (herbew) of the bible (aramaic) and im asking you if i give you a text and told you to do same as what happened with bible ,what will happen to words and meaning?
 
ahmadhassan said:
did i said that? im just saying that you have translation(greek) of translation (herbew) of the bible (aramaic) and im asking you if i give you a text and told you to do same as what happened with bible ,what will happen to words and meaning?
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Do you have proof?
 
ahmadhassan said:
did i said it should be in OT? never i did ,i say that Gospel of matthew was written in aramaic and translated into herbew then this herbew was translated into greek even though ,herbew book dont contain that verse then where did it come from?:rolleyes:
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How can you say that the verse is not contained in the Hebrew book when the Hebrew book is lost ?
 
ahmadhassan said:
did i said that? im just saying that you have translation(greek) of translation (herbew) of the bible (aramaic) and im asking you if i give you a text and told you to do same as what happened with bible ,what will happen to words and meaning?
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With careful translation the originial meaning of the text remains intact.
 
BelFarfalla said:
With careful translation the originial meaning of the text remains intact.
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ok i will give you arabic text and i want you to give me aramaic translation of it then english translation of the aramaic one and finally translate aramaic back to arabic ok?🙂
 
ahmadhassan said:
did i said it should be in OT? never i did ,i say that Gospel of matthew was written in aramaic and translated into herbew then this herbew was translated into greek even though ,herbew book dont contain that verse then where did it come from?:rolleyes:
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Wow - you have me so confused!!! I think maybe you are mixing things up?
The Gospel of Matthew was never in the Hebrew bible. It was written after Jesus by one of Jesus’ followers who’s purpose for writing the book was to tell people who Jesus was and that He was the promised Messiah. The Jews would never have included it in their “bible.” It doesn’t matter if it was written in Aramaic or Greek.
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*In your quote above, are you talking about the translation of the Septuagint? Matthew would not have been written then, to be recorded in the Septuagint only to be left out later! *
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*There were certain books of the OT that were left out around 90AD because the Jews only wanted their “bible” to contain the books that had originally been written in Hebrew. The Christians had already “taken control” of their (Jews) scripture (the Septuagint) and had been using it to support the cause for Jesus so they decided that anything not originally written in Hebrew would not be included in their bible. *
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We are not talking about anything written after Jesus, we are talking about the OT which had been written centuries earlier.
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As stated by somone already, if Paul quoted something in the NT that was supposed to be in the OT and Jerome didn’t have a copy of it, it was because by the time Jerome was translating (400AD), it had been lost. There is also a quote from the NT book of Titus (I think) that references a book of the OT called the Assumption of Moses and we don’t have the original of that and I don’t think Jerome did either. I don’t see a problem…It doesn’t mean the book or the bible is corrupt. We trust that what Paul says and teaches is inspired by God and if there is a point to quoting a portion of another work we don’t have a copy of , we trust the lesson he’s trying to teach.
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I’m so confused by your posts, maybe I’m way off base and out in left field somewhere, so if what I say doesn’t make sense, just ignore it!
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DianJo said:
Wow - you have me so confused!!! I think maybe you are mixing things up?
The Gospel of Matthew was never in the Hebrew bible. It was written after Jesus by one of Jesus’ followers who’s purpose for writing the book was to tell people who Jesus was and that He was the promised Messiah. The Jews would never have included it in their “bible.” It doesn’t matter if it was written in Aramaic or Greek.
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*In your quote above, are you talking about the translation of the Septuagint? Matthew would not have been written then, to be recorded in the Septuagint only to be left out later! *
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*There were certain books of the OT that were left out around 90AD because the Jews only wanted their “bible” to contain the books that had originally been written in Hebrew. The Christians had already “taken control” of their (Jews) scripture (the Septuagint) and had been using it to support the cause for Jesus so they decided that anything not originally written in Hebrew would not be included in their bible. *
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We are not talking about anything written after Jesus, we are talking about the OT which had been written centuries earlier.
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As stated by somone already, if Paul quoted something in the NT that was supposed to be in the OT and Jerome didn’t have a copy of it, it was because by the time Jerome was translating (400AD), it had been lost. There is also a quote from the NT book of Titus (I think) that references a book of the OT called the Assumption of Moses and we don’t have the original of that and I don’t think Jerome did either. I don’t see a problem…It doesn’t mean the book or the bible is corrupt. We trust that what Paul says and teaches is inspired by God and if there is a point to quoting a portion of another work we don’t have a copy of , we trust the lesson he’s trying to teach.
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I’m so confused by your posts, maybe I’m way off base and out in left field somewhere, so if what I say doesn’t make sense, just ignore it!
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can you give me proof? i have proof and i posted it ,can you prove what you say?🙂
 
ahmadhassan said:
can you give me proof? i have proof and i posted it ,can you prove what you say?🙂
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*You keep asking for proof - what proof! *
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*There’s the Septuagint with all its books and there’s the Hebrew “bible” with all its books. Do you want proof that the Gospel of Matthew is not in the Hebrew bible? Go look in a Hebrew bible to see if the gospel of Matthew is there! **If you want proof about who wrote the gospel of Matthew, when he wrote it and what language he wrote it in, look at the intro to the gospel in the bible. That’s where that info can be found. I don’t need to give you proof on why the Jews didn’t want to further the belief in Jesus - it’s obvious, isn’t it? They don’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah. *
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And, I’m sorry, but I’m not sure about the reference about the Assumption of Moses - maybe someone else here can give you that reference in the book of Titus? I said I wasn’t clear, I said, “I think.”
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I don’t know what other proof I can give you - Be specific on what proof you are looking for.
 
anthony022071 said:
Read your post #54. You claimed that the verse in the Gospel of Matthew was not in the original Hebrew text. But the Hebrew text
is lost!
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i said that the verse isnt exist not that the book was lost ,👍
i see many lies told about me ,that is a healthy indicator 😉
 
DianJo said:
*You keep asking for proof - what proof! *
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*There’s the Septuagint with all its books and there’s the Hebrew “bible” with all its books. Do you want proof that the Gospel of Matthew is not in the Hebrew bible? Go look in a Hebrew bible to see if the gospel of Matthew is there! **If you want proof about who wrote the gospel of Matthew, when he wrote it and what language he wrote it in, look at the intro to the gospel in the bible. That’s where that info can be found. I don’t need to give you proof on why the Jews didn’t want to further the belief in Jesus - it’s obvious, isn’t it? They don’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah. *
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And, I’m sorry, but I’m not sure about the reference about the Assumption of Moses - maybe someone else here can give you that reference in the book of Titus? I said I wasn’t clear, I said, “I think.”
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I don’t know what other proof I can give you - Be specific on what proof you are looking for.
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i have said why so many times
what if i said that i`m God will you believe me or will ask for a proof? every word you say must has a proof or its weightless:)
 
ahmadhassan said:
i said that the verse isnt exist not that the book was lost ,👍
i see many lies told about me ,that is a healthy indicator 😉
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I know that you didn’t say that the book was lost – that is something I told you. So why would you say that the verse was not in the Hebrew book? Where did you get this information?
 
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