Walkin' Away with the Eucharist . . .

[BlyssfulDreamer]

So I am well aware that these people are not going to confession as I ask them and they deny it.

I had to save a special post for this comment…where do you get off? Do you actually go up to people and ask them whether they go to confession? If you have concerns…maybe you should speak to the priest and IMO…even that is crossing the line. Thank good ness you are not in my parish where you might see me go to confession only once or twice every 6 months…not knowing I go elsewhere the rest of the time. You wouldn’t like what I would tell you.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Marian_Carroll]

**Friends…the topic here is
Walkin' Away with the Eucharist . . .**

 

[palmas85]

And to you and yours, Palmas.

I’m still on the end of the stick that says proper catechesis would go a long way to solving our problems. Then, again, I was witness to the Consecration last night of the Most Precious Blood in a large flagon, Which was then fractured into the chalices (by our former vicar general, who you would think knew better). I think I’m becoming innured to it (or maybe I was just tired, I nodded off during the homily, I’m ashamed to say). Thankfully, it wasn’t my home parish.

It sure wouldn’t hurt my friend. I may be coming over there to Lost Wages for a conference, funny how they pick Vegas for those things huh? Anyway, could you tell me the name of a good orthodox church. Doesn’t have to be Traditional or even Latin. Just a church where the rubrics are followed and theres no chance of Barney showing up.

 

[palmas85]

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I fully realize that the Church teaches that the Real Presence remains as long as the accidents are present. But I have to ask myself in reflection: God creates the miracle of presenting Himself in the Host at the words of consecration. Why then would He not remove His presence from any Host known to be used in any ritual contrary to the Eucharistic intentions? As devoted as I am to the Eucharist I just have to believe that somehow God takes care of these abominations.

Quote=teachccd
Yes, but also remember that God is not bound by His commands​

My response was based on your own words. What you stated as your belief did not correspond with what we are to believe. In response to my post–you further stated that God is not bound----basicly saying He nullifies one of our core beliefs.

This is actuially pretty close to what a lot of Lutherans believe.

 

[puzzleannie]

since original topic seems to have been lost in the midst of judgement, recrimination and argument, I’ll save my no doubt golden words for another time, since wading through this mess I have now forgotten whatever gem I meant to contribute on the topic of Walking away with the Host.

 

[Magicsilence]

Last Sunday I saw a host in front of me on the floor.

When the time came for holy communion I went to remove it to give it to the priest and it was stuck to the floor, meaning someone had trodden on it again and again.



It would not take much for each priest to remind the congregation before each mass who may receive communion.

 

[DiZent]

I never entertained that this was happening in my parish until a couple of years ago when the carpets were removed in a renovation. There were many (I think I heard hundreds) of hosts tucked under the carpet. Our priest spoke of it at every Mass, but it hasn’t been mentioned for a while.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

It sure wouldn’t hurt my friend. I may be coming over there to Lost Wages for a conference, funny how they pick Vegas for those things huh? Anyway, could you tell me the name of a good orthodox church. Doesn’t have to be Traditional or even Latin. Just a church where the rubrics are followed and theres no chance of Barney showing up.

Centrally located? St. Joan of Arc, downtown.
In the outer areas? St. Elizabeth Ann Seton OR St. Christopher (they just redid their Crucifix/Reredoes in order to make it more traditional).

 

[AlexV]

Scylla,

First off, as Catholics we really have better things to do than look around at our parish and wonder why married couples don’t have 8-10 kids each.

You have no clue what those couples may or may not be doing.

Abstinence? NFP? Physical illness? Sterility?

Of course artificial contraception is more than likely somewhere in the mix for some, maybe even many couples. But it’s evidence of a very wrongheaded attitude to sit around a parish and speculate about how many babies a couple produces.

As for confession…same thing here. You have no idea where some people confess. I don’t confess in the parish where I attend Mass. No one who knows me from the parish I regularly attend would ever see me on line for the confessional there.

 

[anamchara]

Scylla,

First off, as Catholics we really have better things to do than look around at our parish and wonder why married couples don’t have 8-10 kids each.

You have no clue what those couples may or may not be doing.

I agree with this and let’s all remember people when judging or wanting to “inform” others we need to keep the The fruits of the Spirit in mind. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: "charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity. Part of the seven gifts I realize is to counsel but we are also to be understanding.

Just some thoughts for the New Year

 

[Belfarmer]

Since the Bishops are not going to change the availability of communion in the hand now or in the near future, and catechetics will take time and will always be incomplete, I would like to offer a practical suggestion for the meantime.

How about posting an additional EMCH at each communion station specifically to watch for potential desecration of the Host? One could also use 4th degree Knights of Columbus, swords and all. Their presence would help protect the Eucharist and also serve to catechize the parishioners in the pew as to the importance and meaning of the Sacred Host.

 

[AlexV]

Well, in most places we certainly don’t need any more members of the lay minister phalanx hovering around the altar. And as for the Knights, we certainly don’t need them, their feathers, and their swords around the altar.

 

[anamchara]

Well, in most places we certainly don’t need any more members of the lay minister phalanx hovering around the altar. And as for the Knights, we certainly don’t need them, their feathers, and their swords around the altar.

Oh my lol! now that would be a site!

 

[az_4_faith]

Wait a minute. Right now we have representatives from each branch of the military honor guard on 24 hour watch over the Body of President Gerald Ford in the Capital Rotunda. The pomp surrounding the “changing of the guards” is incredible, as is the honor bestowed.

Maybe our Lord in the Host could be afforded a little more honor, even some “pomp”.

 

[mommyof4]

I never entertained that this was happening in my parish until a couple of years ago when the carpets were removed in a renovation. There were many (I think I heard hundreds) of hosts tucked under the carpet. Our priest spoke of it at every Mass, but it hasn’t been mentioned for a while.

How could all of these hosts be put in the carpet???

 

[AlexV]

This topic ends up going in circles.

Yes, there are problems with respect for the Holy Eucharist. This is not a new problem, either.

Communion in the hand does not help, it may even compound the problem…but the problem does not go away if you simply ban communion in the hand…a person could receive on the tongue and then remove the host. Certainly the danger of desecration is lessened if you receive on the tongue…but it’s not totally removed.

Having men who like to play with swords standing by the communion stations will not help. What will they do? Stab offenders? Draw their swords and block the path of the offender?

I highly, highly doubt that “hundreds” of hosts were uncovered in any rug replacement.

As for the idea that Christ’s presence might magically vanish so as to prevent Satanic desecration…I hope anyone speculating like that has nothing at all to do with the education of youth.

So, to conclude, certainly this problem might be significantly stifled if communion were restricted to one form, at the rail, on the tongue. It wouldn’t entirely vanish…but it would help.

 

[anamchara]

Well said AlexV!

 

[Walking_Home]

This topic ends up going in circles.

Yes, there are problems with respect for the Holy Eucharist. This is not a new problem, either.

Communion in the hand does not help, it may even compound the problem…but the problem does not go away if you simply ban communion in the hand…a person could receive on the tongue and then remove the host. Certainly the danger of desecration is lessened if you receive on the tongue…but it’s not totally removed.

Having men who like to play with swords standing by the communion stations will not help. What will they do? Stab offenders? Draw their swords and block the path of the offender?

I highly, highly doubt that “hundreds” of hosts were uncovered in any rug replacement.

As for the idea that Christ’s presence might magically vanish so as to prevent Satanic desecration…I hope anyone speculating like that has nothing at all to do with the education of youth.

So, to conclude, certainly this problem might be significantly stifled if communion were restricted to one form, at the rail, on the tongue. It wouldn’t entirely vanish…but it would help.

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We are reaching a pt. --I believe we are there already—where we need all the help we can get.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I have to wonder why someone would even go to Communion if all they were going to do is put the Host in the pew or on the floor or in the carpet. What is the point of even going in the first place?

:heart:Blyss

 

[scaron]

I fully realize that the Church teaches that the Real Presence remains as long as the accidents are present. But I have to ask myself in reflection: God creates the miracle of presenting Himself in the Host at the words of consecration. Why then would He not remove His presence from any Host known to be used in any ritual contrary to the Eucharistic intentions? As devoted as I am to the Eucharist I just have to believe that somehow God takes care of these abominations.

Most certainly Our Lord could have “removed His presence” from the Cross as well, to save Himself from desecration at Satan’s happiest hour. For our sake (Thank God!) he did not.

He entrusts Himself to us in the form of the Blessed Sacrament, and it is **our **responsibility to protect Him. The Church takes that responsibility into account in deciding whether to allow reception of Holy Communion in the hand, and most importantly every Extraordinary EM takes this responsibility on themselves when called to this ministry. I know at least one person said their EEM’s were trained to make sure the Blessed Sacrament is consumed right away, but I greatly fear this is not the norm.