War on Catholic Teaching

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First of all I was going to hold it back, but since you brought it up. I think your attitude is condescending thus uncharitable. While charity is not one of my big issues here, I am only bringing it up in a pot calling the kettle black capicity Since you say the soul does not have gender, fine. Sometime spirit and soul are separated Ill say Maria has female spirit. Sex is between the legs and gender is between th legs. The late Harry Benjamin who is the top authority on transsexual/transgender issues would disagree with you. You are so dog gone focused on physicalness and you use religous platitutudes to hide that superficiality in your thinking. I sugest you don’t lean on scripture so much. After all it is scripture that says personal interpetation of it isn’t allowed ans the Catholic church is not solascriptura. Nurture has proven not to determine femininity or masculinity. In my case if it did, I’d be the most macho thing walking the Earth. In the coming few days Ill find sources. Sorry while my brain is good at rememeber facts and story Iv’e read, it isn’t good at making footnotes in my mind especially if I read it long ago. I’m a degreed meteorologist , but I couldn’t for the life of me remeber specically remember where I read upper air divergence is condusive to low level convection, but I know it well, and no non meteorologist who hasn’t read a thing about weather has any business questioning me on it. What Maria is doing is just to live life as a be accepted as a woman.
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I don’t see how I’m condesending. I just disagree with you and Maria. I haven’t said you aren’t qualified to have an opinion. Is everyone who disagrees with you condesending? Did I invalidate your knowledge? I’m just point out the facts. Thats all. As far as Harry Benjamin the AMA feels the Jury is still out on his claims. So there are others still in disagreement with him. I have no problem with that as far as not relying on scriptures and your claim
After all it is scripture that says personal interpetation of it isn’t allowed ans the Catholic church is not solascriptura
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. You are again misstaken again. The Catholic Church does not condemn all personal interpretation of scripture as long as it isn’t contrary to the Magisterium. So far I haven’t said anything contrary to the Magisterium. It seem you would throw out scripture but here is what the Catholic church says
"Therefore, the study of the sacred page should be the very soul of sacred theology. The ministry of the Word, too - pastoral preaching, catechetics and all forms of Christian instruction, among which the liturgical homily should hold pride of place - is healthily nourished and thrives in holiness through the Word of Scripture."111
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Also note
All the faithful share in understanding and handing on revealed truth. They have received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, who instructs them53 and guides them into all truth.54
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from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which [believers] experience",59 the sacred Scriptures "grow with the one who reads them
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Which does not contrast with this
Read the Scripture within “the living Tradition of the whole Church”.
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. So scripture should not be disregarded or used as a buffet pick this or pick that. But understood as a whole within the the living Tradition of the Whole Church. It is you who stand on the outside wanting to change definitions and meanings. I have not. After all I am Catholic and I uphold the Catholic Teaching on this. It is certain Anglicans who have changed the meanings and made scripture irrelevant not I.
 
Basic question: Is it okay in general to shack up with one’s romantic partner as long as you’re not engaging in sexual relations? From the Catholic point of view, obviously not, I should think. So why would it be okay for you Maria? It’s not just about what you talk about to the kids - it’s the example you set, it’s who you are. And who you are is someone who seems to need to reflect on the Fall and to inject some humility into your relationship with God; or at least into the claims you make here about how perfect you are in God’s eyes. That God loves you doesn’t mean He thinks you’re perfect just the way you are, any more then He thinks that about those whom you claim are attacking you so unjustly.
 
omigosh. I was reading through this thread, and MariaTS, there are many comments you have made which would not place you in a solid leadership position in most (I would hope) Catholic parishes…especially in the formation of children. Jesus warns strongly against being a “stumbling block” for children, Maria.
You mentioned “changes” in the church you go to…and that Priests of the Church defend or support you. I suspect that we are lacking some pertinent information to understand all the aspects of your situation, which makes is hard for us to fully participate without rash juding. Those replies made though have been on point, though.
I strongly agree that using the Catechism of the Catholic Church for personal understanding and reference (even if not used directly with youngsters) is important for any catechist. The *Compendium * is very helpful with its Q & A format. *Catholic Replies *by James Drummey is another very good reference resource.
Maria, you sound very sincere in wanting to teach the truth of our Catholic faith and in wanting to do it with true charity. The desire to work with young people is something we need a lot in our parishes. I hope you’ll continue to work hard personally to study and learn about our Catholic teaching so that you can help others! Remember that “where the Pope is, there is the Church.” So if my convictions in faith & morals differ in any way from the Holy Father’s, I know that I am astray and misunderstanding something. For instance, our Church teaches clearly that (willful) abortion is (intrinsically evil) wrong in any situation. And “marriage” as God instituted it can never, by definition, exist between 2 people of the same sex. Those and some other teachings of our Catholic faith take willingness, time, and help to understand and assent to.
May the Holy Spirit bless you, Maria, and lead you into the fullness of Truth.
 
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Question: Do you practice chastity and sexual abstinence, or do you engage in that abominable behavior? Because if you are sexualy active, you are in a continual state of mortal sin, and a most disturbing mortal sin at that
Not at all disagreeing with the points made; a question:
Does the RC church speak of some mortals sins being more “disturbing” than others?
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The Roman Catholic Church teaches that sin is a sin; however, there are degrees of significance for each sin. In the final analysis, there’s no sin that cannot be forgiven by our God, except the one of disbelief. The mercy of our God surpasses any kind of crime.
Since we have the sacrament of reconciliation, one can do a good confession, have a true remorse for having offended God and have the purpose of amendment. With the grace of God, everything is possible.
 
St_Peter said:
I think that this link just about sums up the belief of most
denominations that have left the Catholic Faith

It is a matter of faith and courage to leave the teachings of Roman Catholicism

ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0700.pdf

Most people will not accept the arguments put forth in the above document.

READ AND BE ENLIGHTENED!
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Because that document is a bunch of horsehockey quite frankly. What does that document have to do with this thread?
 
First of all, for the record, I am a different Maria - I am not the OP. :curtsey:

To the OP: You said that your boyfriend, when he first met you, thought you were an average girl. This would seem to indicate that you appear as a normal female. How, then, does everyone at your church know otherwise? Have you made a point of letting everyone know of your condition? I don’t see how this is their business; it seems like it should be a personal matter. I don’t understand the age of TMI we live in, I guess. If it isn’t readily apparent to those around you, why would you go around talking about it?

As for the parishioners being upset about your teaching their children: No, they should not get violent about it. That is wrong. And you say that you are not teaching the children about controversial issues or things that are against Church teaching. That is good and right. However, if you have made your controversial views known to others at your church, as a mother myself, I can understand their concern. If they have not sat in on your classes, they may be unsure exactly what you are teaching. You are right that young children are too young to be taught about such matters, but, sadly, there are other educators who do not let that stop them. Witness the flap about the book “Heather Has Two Mommies.” That was being presented in a school setting to very young children. Parents in your parish may have heard of such instances and become alarmed at the thought that perhaps it could happen with their own children. They are jumping to conclusions, perhaps, but a lot of us parents tend to do that where our children are concerned. We are just trying to be good parents.

Again, reacting with violence is a bad and unChristian thing. But somehow I get the feeling that we are not getting the full story here, so it is kind of hard for those of us on this board to really get a handle on what exactly is going on with your situation.

God bless. :gopray2:
 
Maria65 said:
First of all, for the record, I am a different Maria - I am not the OP. :curtsey:

To the OP: You said that your boyfriend, when he first met you, thought you were an average girl. This would seem to indicate that you appear as a normal female. How, then, does everyone at your church know otherwise? Have you made a point of letting everyone know of your condition? I don’t see how this is their business; it seems like it should be a personal matter. I don’t understand the age of TMI we live in, I guess. If it isn’t readily apparent to those around you, why would you go around talking about it?

As for the parishioners being upset about your teaching their children: No, they should not get violent about it. That is wrong. And you say that you are not teaching the children about controversial issues or things that are against Church teaching. That is good and right. However, if you have made your controversial views known to others at your church, as a mother myself, I can understand their concern. If they have not sat in on your classes, they may be unsure exactly what you are teaching. You are right that young children are too young to be taught about such matters, but, sadly, there are other educators who do not let that stop them. Witness the flap about the book “Heather Has Two Mommies.” That was being presented in a school setting to very young children. Parents in your parish may have heard of such instances and become alarmed at the thought that perhaps it could happen with their own children. They are jumping to conclusions, perhaps, but a lot of us parents tend to do that where our children are concerned. We are just trying to be good parents.

Again, reacting with violence is a bad and unChristian thing. But somehow I get the feeling that we are not getting the full story here, so it is kind of hard for those of us on this board to really get a handle on what exactly is going on with your situation.

God bless. :gopray2:
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All else asside. I have heard about example where someone in Maria’s situation trys to go stealth, then gets found out through no fault of their own and all Hell breaks out loose. It is highly recomended that only postops go stealth, and that doesn’t even guarentee anything.
 
Irish_Catholic said:
Being severely Physically Disabled.ain’t the reason.

The reason is that bi-sexual behavior is an abomination unto God. They are right not to want you working there.

Question: Do you practice chastity and sexual abstinence, or do you engage in that abominable behavior? Because if you are sexualy active, you are in a continual state of mortal sin, and a most disturbing mortal sin at that
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My goodness … seems as though the Catholic Church is only for the self appointed rightous. We are ALL Sinners and fall short of the glory of God. There is no sin that is greater than another sin. ALL SIN IS AN ABOMINATION BEFORE GOD. So get off your high horse and quit judging. Christ did not come for the self proclaimed rightous. He came in love for those of us who are sinners. You have damned yourself by your judgement of another human being.

I guess you are without sin and are appointed by God to judge others. The Catholic Church also is without sin and and is appointed by our Lord to judge the hearts of others. Let the Rightous of the church cast their stones because it makes them feel more worthy of the Kingdom. Such thinking will reserve a place for you in HELL.
 
St_Peter said:
I think that this link just about sums up the belief of most
denominations that have left the Catholic Faith

It is a matter of faith and courage to leave the teachings of Roman Catholicism

ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0700.pdf

Most people will not accept the arguments put forth in the above document.

READ AND BE ENLIGHTENED!
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This not to single out anyone on this thread. I understand this pulls off from thread. My apologies. Mr. Mike Gendron is a 1991 graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. Dallas Theological Seminary was founded by Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer in which the works of John Nelson Darby on dispensationalism (rapture,millernarianism) would be spread out in colleges and seminaries.

Mr. Gendron contradicts what is taught in Catholic teaching. I find so ironic Mr. Gendron and others outside the Catholic faith read Catechism of The Catholic Church. While many Catholics today don’t know the Catechism exists or even care to purchase one and read it. Many who leave the Catholic faith are not catechised or poorly catechised. One issue is Eschatology.

Eschatology: Greek word eschaton, meaning “last” Eschatology refers to the area of Christian faith which is concerned about “the last things” and the second coming of Jesus on “the last day”: our human destiny, death and judgement, resurrection of the body, heaven, purgatory, and hell — all of which are contained in the final articles of the Creed
Cathechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph numbers(1001,1020-1050; cf. 2771)

Catechism of the Catholic Church
ISBN 1-57455-110-8

Local parish/dioceses should have this book. If not, book store franchises can most likely acquire this book. Or check online. Thank you and God Bless.

Now back to the thread. We advise, not judge, the sinful person the sins committed. If we were not sinners then God the Son in the flesh would not have been neccesary. We would always have been in full and glorious relationship with the Father Son and Holy Spirit. We are all sinners and sin is offensive and an abomination to God venial and mortal. The difference through Jesus Christ is we no longer need to sacrifice animals or Day of Atonement for our redemption and forgiveness of sins. Jesus Christ is the ultimate sacrifice, and through His Church in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, we are forgiven and go toard our repentance.

As far as the person from the beginning of the thread, I asked this person if a Catechism of the Catholic Church was in possesion. I taught for youth group classes for two years with Catechism at hand. Today I assist a Deacon at RCIA (Rite of Catechumen Initiation of Adults) with my Bible and Catechism at hand. The Deacon also has a Bible and Catechism in all of his classes. Teaching Catholic catechists classes while contradicting the teachings of the Catholic Church is scandalous and sinful.
 
St_Peter
I guess you are without sin and are appointed by God to judge others. The Catholic Church also is without sin and and is appointed by our Lord to judge the hearts of others.
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The Catholic Church is righteous because of her Founder, our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus chose for His church sinful human beings, who from the beginning are in constant need of repentance and mercy. The acts of one of her members should not serve to blame the whole Institution. Please, let’s keep away any condemnation of the Church of Christ.
Such thinking will reserve a place for you in HELL.
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Now, who is a proclaimed self righteous here? Only our Supreme Judge will separate the blameless from the sinful and each one will receive his reward/condemn accordingly, no one else has the right to send to hell to any of his brethren but to pray so that it not happen.
Let the Rightous of the church cast their stones because it makes them feel more worthy of the Kingdom.
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As Christians, our job is to admonish the sinner, it does not mean to condemn, as an act of mercy for which all of us are responsible.

May the peace of the Recent Born be with us all!
 
MariaTS said:
I have decided to remain a Catholic after aspects of the Church that I go to changed. And as such, I have also remained a Catholic Youth Minister. Many parents are now angry that I have chosen to remain as a Youth Minister within this Church. They believe that I threaten “True Catholic Teaching” and that I am part of the “Demonic Army” to “overthrow” the Catholic Church. I have gotten several threatening emails, letters, and phone calls and I have decided to ask that these individuals be removed from the Church. If they want to attack or threaten me then they can simply find another church. I appreciate that the Priests in the Church have taken my side and are now defending me. I believe that the true threat to the Catholic Church and the true enemies of Catholic Teaching are those who are intolerant and forget Jesus teaching. The war over the Catholic Church has been taking place for as long as it has existed. I hope that we win the spiritual battle against the fundamentalists who are dangerous to the well-being of the Catholic Church and have continuously destabilized and divided the Catholic Church. Only when the fundamentalists are no longer in our church can we truly be unified as one holy mother church. The fundamentalists are just like the pharisees. We need to get our feet in the ground to defend the Catholic Church. We shall not let it fall to extremists, fundamentalists, and violent criminals. I may be repeating myself but I want to know what are your thoughts on the spiritual war between the fundamentalist Catholics and the true Catholics?
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what do you mean fundametalist? you either obey the Magisterium or you dont. you dont decide what that is the Church does. i dont think there is such a thing as fundamentalist. :rolleyes:
 
MariaTS said:
I have answered above why people want me out.

I have answered at an earlier post in this thread what a fundamentalist is.

An individual who is intolerant is an individual who judges and criticizes others with no regard for their own personal wrongs.

I am not pro-choice when it comes to abortion but a very slim minority of abortions are acceptable. I am pro-homosexual-marriage but I do not support homosexual intercourse and I do not support taking away choice from priests. They should get the marriage from whomever they find willing to perform the marriage. These are very minor views within the Catholic Church however and nothing that I have said in any way violates church teaching.

You are simply ignoring the fact that I have been threatened and attacked because people do not want me as the Youth Minister. If you condone violence then you are not a Catholic.
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I am totally confused. You approve a homosexual marriage (no such thing exists) and if it did, you don’t support homosexual sex, and what choice are you talking about taking away from priests? :confused:
Not pro abortion except for a slim minority? These are not minor views and support of active homosexuality is against Church law. If one condones violence of anyone, s/he is not following in Christ’s steps, or the teachings of His Church.

The Church protects all sinners, but does not approve of sinful acts. In my opinion, it seems you went out of your way to find trouble and when it found you, you are crying unfair.
 
WOW! What a thread! Good grief!!!

So the OP writes “. . . . I want to know what are your thoughts on the spiritual war between the fundamentalist Catholics and the true Catholics?” and “Only when the fundamentalists are no longer in our church can we truly be unified as one holy mother church.”

And there are so many responses – many uncharitable and simply blasting other points of view . . .it was hard to read it all. But then the OP made one more statement, “You are simply ignoring the fact that I have been threatened and attacked because people do not want me as the Youth Minister.”

For me, the question arose – Who are you doing this work for? It shouldn’t be about what you want, what I want, or what other people want – it’s about what the Master wants. Even after all that I’ve read, I think the best course of action I can come up with is simply a suggestion to pray and take the situation to God. Then, pray again and ask what He would have you do. Then, take it back to prayer one more time. Perhaps you are called to youth ministry, but perhaps you are not. I urge you to discern that and leave out anything that has to do with “fighting war” or trying to please others or stand up for your own rights. (Lots of disciples have their rights trampled on every day for the sake of His glory!) Give it wholeheartedly to Jesus and you’ll know the answer.

I’ll pray for you.
 
You need to ask your self one question. Do you believe ALL the catholic church teaches.
I am tired of the people who claim they are catholic and then try to argue the beliefs of Catholics while they preach a differ Gospel. We (Catholics) believe that we are all sinners who need to ask God for forgiveness of our sins and then try very hard, with the help of The Holy Spirit, never to sin again. If you think that homosexuality is not a sin, you are not a catholic.
I am sorry if you can not understand and I am not trying to hurt you but we all have a choice not to sin. It is not a sin to have feelings for the forbidden but it is a sin to act on those feelings. See the difference?
God’s blessings,
koolmom21
P.S. Would you want a thief in your house who told you they did not think that stealing was wrong even if you love that person?
 
MariaTS said:
People who take lines in the bible literally and singularly and cherry-pick which lines in the bible to follow who also judge others and/or act violently towards them are fundamentalists. True Christians are people who take the bible in its entirety and are Christ-like.
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Personally, a ‘true’ Christian is one who particularly puts the New Testament into practice, meaning, they also uphold the teachings of the Church.
 
It sounds to me that your asking us to accept perversion, and those who are unwilling your calling names like Fundamentalist which in Protestant circles is radical but in the Catholic faith it should only mean one who follows the fundamentals of the Churches teaching. I suspect the Priest are only trying to stay out of the fight, so are only being agreeable to you to shut you up. I would hope the Church has you removed from the Children as sooner or later you will try to show them your life style is OK.
 
ljubim said:
Like hermaphrodites.👍
NOT homosexuals.:mad:

Pax, guys, pax!! This thread is getting ugly. We’re really misunderstanding Maria here… she’s not a homosexual, she’s a hermaphrodite. Yes, she holds opinions contrary to Church teaching…
That is what we should be focusing on!
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They “misunderstood” her because SHE misrepresented herself. If she’s a hermaphrodite, why all the talk about homosexuality? Doesn’t make any sense to me.
 
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