Warning about ACORN-like groups

  • Thread starter Thread starter Mimi
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
If ACORN was indeed under more actual investigation than the Ku Klux Klan (which they aren’t), I’d be deeply disturbed considering ACORN hasn’t actually done anything illegal. They are no different than any other group you disagree with.
Last news report, 17 states were investigating ACORN’s activities. I have not heard of any such level of KKK investigation since the 60s. Please provide the number if you know of it. Your opinion as to their legality is duly noted. Have you considered filing an “amicus curiae” brief with the courts on behalf of ACORN?
 
Sure there is something that voter registration groups can do to sway an election. They can target their registration efforts toward those who are likely to vote in a certain way.

If they want a Democrat elected, target groups who are likely to vote Democratic.

If they want a Republican elected, target groups who are likely to vote Republican. It’s not hard. You can’t, after all, reach everybody.
Well yah, that’s true, and a good point. I guess what I should have said is there is no way for one to illegally sway an election or steal an election, unless, of course, they have millions of operatives with millions of fake ID’s actually go and vote after they were registered in those fake names, but cmon.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CatholicLeft View Post
Wow, Interesting bio you got there. Reminds me of another radical that you may have heard of. His name is William J. Simmons. He was of American descent. He later became a foaming at the mouth religious fascist who never grew out of the radicalism of his hatred of Blacks, Jews, Roman Catholics or anybody else who was not a native-born White Anglo-Saxon Protestant of the 1920s.

Congratulations! You’ve just outed yourself as a relativist and Obama supporter! Now, to save your soul, go confess.
Thanks, Po, for attracting more additions for my “ignore list”, with about 4 or 5 from this thread alone.

It’s grown ENORMOUSLY over the last several days!

:shamrock2:
 
Well yah, that’s true, and a good point. I guess what I should have said is there is no way for one to illegally sway an election or steal an election, unless, of course, they have millions of operatives with millions of fake ID’s actually go and vote after they were registered in those fake names, but cmon.
Our current Governor was decided by 129 votes in the third and final count of 2004. She lost the first two counts. Then, out of state money financed a third count, which she won. She was supported by ACORN. Still think ACORN is not a factor in elections? There was investigated fraud both in that election, as well as in the prior one.

This subversion of the political process is the very child of leftist Saul Alinsky. ACORN founder Wade Rathke was heavily influenced by radical Alinsky’s teaching. Alinsky’s aim was subversion of the political process, which he viewed as an impediment to enacting his own societal ideas.

He viewed political liberalism as ineffective and created an influencial method of more rapidly incorporating his own ideas. He is responsible for much of the welfare state, being a champion of “welfare rights” He was a subversive of the first order.

Any legal attention focused upon ACORN’s radical secular leftist activity is what has all of the left-wing Catholics’ hair-pieces out of place. They want it both ways. Social good (their way or the highway) regardless of the price in innocent baby blood, or moral principles. The ends justify the means.

These are the same self-righteous “Catholics” that have disobeyed the teachings of the Church, disregarded the exhortations of the Bishops, and voted for abortion, because their preferred method of social spending happens to be included. They are left-wingers first and Catholics a distant second.

I expect responses to this that are heavy on emotion and thin on fact. But, I don’t stereotype them. They are much better at that than I am. Let’s see who pops up.
 
Thanks, Po, for attracting more additions for my “ignore list”, with about 4 or 5 from this thread alone.

It’s grown ENORMOUSLY over the last several days!

:shamrock2:
If only they were Catholic first, but Noooooooooooo! It’s still a remnant of the 1960s hangover. Tylenol may help us, but only the Holy Spirit can help them. Sorry!
 
If ACORN was indeed under more actual investigation than the Ku Klux Klan (which they aren’t), I’d be deeply disturbed considering ACORN hasn’t actually done anything illegal. They are no different than any other group you disagree with.
Almost 20 posts per day, after registering here just two days before the election! Your profile and short history are quite interesting, if somewhat suspicious to me.
 
If only they were Catholic first, but Noooooooooooo! It’s still a remnant of the 1960s hangover. Tylenol may help us, but only the Holy Spirit can help them. Sorry!
Heh he he he he! Oh, very good! <chuckle, chuckle, chuckle!>

Yes indeed, the liberal disease is a tough darn bug, mais oui? 🙂

It’s blindingly amazing that orgs that are DIRECT DESCENDANTS of Saul “Dedicated to Satan” Alinsky’s mind are touched with proverbial 2000 foot poles by Catholic persons!

Satan’s got a GREAT handle, apparently, on a BUNCH of so-called “Catholic” liberals.

Fight the contagion! Keep up the good work, mon Capitain!

(( No, I’m not french! 🙂 ))

:shamrock2:
 
What in the world is an ACORN group?
Welcome, Brian! Just Google “ACORN” and “Wade Rathke” and “Saul Alinsky” and see what turns up. Or, ask any retired FBI agent who investigated them in the 60s. “ACORN” type groups are subversive, radical secular leftist groups that IMO, have materially contributed to America’s moral decline. They also, apparently, have produced a group of new forum members that whine about nearly everything.
 
Heh he he he he! Oh, very good! <chuckle, chuckle, chuckle!>

Yes indeed, the liberal disease is a tough darn bug, mais oui? 🙂

It’s blindingly amazing that orgs that are DIRECT DESCENDANTS of Saul “Dedicated to Satan” Alinsky’s mind are touched with proverbial 2000 foot poles by Catholic persons!

Satan’s got a GREAT handle, apparently, on a BUNCH of so-called “Catholic” liberals.

Fight the contagion! Keep up the good work, mon Capitain!

(( No, I’m not french! 🙂 ))

:shamrock2:
I note, with some suspicion, that one pro-ACORN member coincidentally joined two days before the '08 election, and has almost 20 posts per day. I know he’s human, but he acts like a plant…
 
Oh I promise you I’m a leftist, but I’m not a Obama supporter for I am too far to the left to support a corporatist moderate like him. I also promise that I’ll go to confession to “save my soul” (for voting for the left I assume) if you will do the same for voting for the mass murderer George W Bush. I sure hope you are not taking communion for voting for a guy that as governor of Texas killed more then 150 people with the death penalty. As president killed more then 100,000 innocent Iraqis for corporate interests (oil, defense industry, blackwater, etc…) You assume a lot about me.I have been to more anti-war rallies then you have gone to confession and have come out against both the Rwandan holocaust and the Iraq/Iran war, both in street protests and on paper.
MAN!!! Ol’ George been kinda busy, huh? All the while your candidates have supported the killing of MILLIONS of innocent babies, as opposed to convicted killers. The Church does not categorically teach against the death penalty, but she sure does against abortion. I note that you employ the term “Catholic” only as a modifier in your user name. That speaks volumes. Your move.
 
MAN!!! Ol’ George been kinda busy, huh? All the while your candidates have supported the killing of MILLIONS of innocent babies, as opposed to convicted killers. The Church does not categorically teach against the death penalty, but she sure does against abortion. I note that you employ the term “Catholic” only as a modifier in your user name. That speaks volumes. Your move.
Um…his candidate wasn’t Obama. He said it himself. It is sort of hard to pin abortions on him when he clearly doesn’t support any mainstream political party.

Furthermore, if he just makes his username “Catholic”, nobody will be able to recognize him from the crowd. Trying to judge him on his username is silly and a witch hunt.
 
Um…his candidate wasn’t Obama. He said it himself. It is sort of hard to pin abortions on him when he clearly doesn’t support any mainstream political party.
Are you ashamed for your brother? The left clearly has always supported abortion, regardless of politcal party. By a very wide margin. So, what are you even talking about? As a pragmatist, supporting the left is per se supporting abortion. Compartmentalize all you will, but the blood of innocent babies still flows.
Furthermore, if he just makes his username “Catholic”, nobody will be able to recognize him from the crowd. Trying to judge him on his username is silly and a witch hunt.
If you’re going to whine about a “witch hunt”, go to a Protestant site. They originated it. As to his user name defining him, the “left” part is screamingly obvious. The “Catholic” part is much more obscure, almost requiring an electron microscope to discern. The left has nothing, if not solidarity - or maybe it’s just static cling.
 
Are you ashamed for your brother? The left clearly has always supported abortion, regardless of politcal party. By a very wide margin. So, what are you even talking about? As a pragmatist, supporting the left is per se supporting abortion. Compartmentalize all you will, but the blood of innocent babies still flows.
If the left has always supported abortion, than the right has always supported racism, and also by a wide margin. “The left” is not some organized, monolithic block. Political movements need to be judged as individual units. I doubt that you’d want to associate, say, Horace Mann and Karl Marx, but both were liberals. I also doubt you’d want to associate, say, Ron Paul and Benito Mussolini, but both are conservatives.
If you’re going to whine about a “witch hunt”, go to a Protestant site. They originated it.
What does that mean?
As to his user name defining him, the “left” part is screamingly obvious. The “Catholic” part is much more obscure, almost requiring an electron microscope to discern. The left has nothing, if not solidarity - or maybe it’s just static cling.
Yes, his username identifies him as someone who considers himself to be both Catholic and left of center. CatholicLeft would satisfy your requirements, but I doubt that anyone puts that much thought into their username, and if they were to do so, they would recognize that LeftCatholic sounds like an individual, whereas CatholicLeft sounds like a political movement (The Catholic left thinks that…)

Furthermore, “the left” as you put it, has very little solidarity. If they did, Al Gore would have won the 2000 election.
 
If the left has always supported abortion, than the right has always supported racism, and also by a wide margin. “The left” is not some organized, monolithic block. Political movements need to be judged as individual units. I doubt that you’d want to associate, say, Horace Mann and Karl Marx, but both were liberals. I also doubt you’d want to associate, say, Ron Paul and Benito Mussolini, but both are conservatives. What does that mean? Yes, his username identifies him as someone who considers himself to be both Catholic and left of center. CatholicLeft would satisfy your requirements, but I doubt that anyone puts that much thought into their username, and if they were to do so, they would recognize that LeftCatholic sounds like an individual, whereas CatholicLeft sounds like a political movement (The Catholic left thinks that…) Furthermore, “the left” as you put it, has very little solidarity. If they did, Al Gore would have won the 2000 election.
I apologize for leading us off topic, which is: the dangers associated with subversive groups like ACORN.
 
I apologize for leading us off topic, which is: the dangers associated with subversive groups like ACORN.
What are the dangers of subversive groups like ACORN? Perhaps you could give us a list of at least a few of the subversive and dangerous activities ACORN has engaged in. I’ve done some cursory research, and don’t see much.
 
Our current Governor was decided by 129 votes in the third and final count of 2004. She lost the first two counts. Then, out of state money financed a third count, which she won. She was supported by ACORN. Still think ACORN is not a factor in elections? There was investigated fraud both in that election, as well as in the prior one.

This subversion of the political process is the very child of leftist Saul Alinsky. ACORN founder Wade Rathke was heavily influenced by radical Alinsky’s teaching. Alinsky’s aim was subversion of the political process, which he viewed as an impediment to enacting his own societal ideas.

He viewed political liberalism as ineffective and created an influencial method of more rapidly incorporating his own ideas. He is responsible for much of the welfare state, being a champion of “welfare rights” He was a subversive of the first order.

Any legal attention focused upon ACORN’s radical secular leftist activity is what has all of the left-wing Catholics’ hair-pieces out of place. They want it both ways. Social good (their way or the highway) regardless of the price in innocent baby blood, or moral principles. The ends justify the means.

These are the same self-righteous “Catholics” that have disobeyed the teachings of the Church, disregarded the exhortations of the Bishops, and voted for abortion, because their preferred method of social spending happens to be included. They are left-wingers first and Catholics a distant second.

I expect responses to this that are heavy on emotion and thin on fact. But, I don’t stereotype them. They are much better at that than I am. Let’s see who pops up.
I honestly don’t see how being supported by ACORN has anything to do with that. If you want a real conspiracy theory, you should ask why the Supreme Court of a state that happened to be run by the president’s brother just happened to stop a recount of votes that would have probably cost that president the election.
 
Do you think their motives and values are compatible with Catholic teaching?
What’s wrong with organizations like ACORN? The voter registration fraud pales in comparison to the other wrongs they have committed against society. You have to understand the Community Reinvestment Act [CRA or “the Act”] to understand how ACORN and ACORN-like organizations hurt people.

From and article in City Journal in 2000:

“The Act, which Jimmy Carter signed in 1977, grew out of the complaint that urban banks were ‘redlining’ inner-city neighborhoods, refusing to lend to their residents while using their deposits to finance suburban expansion. CRA decreed that banks have ‘an affirmative obligation’ to meet the credit needs of the communities in which they are chartered, and that federal banking regulators should assess how well they do that when considering their requests to merge or to open branches. Implicit in the bill’s rationale was a belief that CRA was needed to counter racial discrimination in lending, an assumption that later seemed to gain support from a widely publicized 1990 Federal Reserve Bank of Boston finding that blacks and Hispanics suffered higher mortgage-denial rates than whites, even at similar income levels. [Note: Were their default rates considered? If their default rates were about the same as whites, then their loan applications were being rated the same. Any lowering of the standards for minorities would increase their default rates.] …

“The Clinton administration has turned the Act, a once-obscure and lightly enforced banking regulation law, into one of the most powerful mandates shaping American cities – and, as Senate Banking Committee chairman Phil Gramm memorably put it, a vast extortion scheme against the nation’s banks. Under its provisions, U.S. banks have committed nearly $1 trillion for inner-city and low-income mortgages and real estate development projects, most of it funneled through a nationwide network of Left-wing community groups, intent, in some cases, on teaching their low-income clients that the financial system is their enemy and, implicitly, that government, rather than their own striving, is the key to their well-being. …

“The CRA’s premise sounds unassailable: helping the poor buy and keep homes will stabilize and rebuild city neighborhoods. As enforced today [2000], though, the law portends just the opposite, threatening to undermine the efforts of the upwardly mobile poor by saddling them with neighbors more than usually likely to depress property values by not maintaining their homes adequately or by losing them to foreclosure. The CRA’s logic also helps to ensure that inner-city neighborhoods stay poor by discouraging the kinds of investment that might make them better off.” – Howard Husock, city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html

These organizations processed loan applications and got about $2,000 for each one. One was making over $10,000,000 a year doing just that alone. No wonder they fought tooth and nail against reform of the Act in the ‘90s. Now consider that the government is going to have to guarantee all these bad loans and who ultimately will have to pay. It won’t be ACORN and their ilk; it will be the taxpayers like you and me, and those who met their loan payment obligations only to see their property values drop. These are financial losses no matter how you look at it and is why giving these groups control of wealth is like handing control of the farm over to the pigs was done in Orwell’s Animal Farm.

Is this sort of thing in line with Catholic teaching? The USCCB didn’t think so and suspend their financial support for ACORN. [USCCB had given them $7,000,000 over a ten-year period.]
 
What’s wrong with organizations like ACORN? The voter registration fraud pales in comparison to the other wrongs they have committed against society. You have to understand the Community Reinvestment Act [CRA or “the Act”] to understand how ACORN and ACORN-like organizations hurt people.

From and article in City Journal in 2000:

“The Act, which Jimmy Carter signed in 1977, grew out of the complaint that urban banks were ‘redlining’ inner-city neighborhoods, refusing to lend to their residents while using their deposits to finance suburban expansion. CRA decreed that banks have ‘an affirmative obligation’ to meet the credit needs of the communities in which they are chartered, and that federal banking regulators should assess how well they do that when considering their requests to merge or to open branches. Implicit in the bill’s rationale was a belief that CRA was needed to counter racial discrimination in lending, an assumption that later seemed to gain support from a widely publicized 1990 Federal Reserve Bank of Boston finding that blacks and Hispanics suffered higher mortgage-denial rates than whites, even at similar income levels. [Note: Were their default rates considered? If their default rates were about the same as whites, then their loan applications were being rated the same. Any lowering of the standards for minorities would increase their default rates.] …

“The Clinton administration has turned the Act, a once-obscure and lightly enforced banking regulation law, into one of the most powerful mandates shaping American cities – and, as Senate Banking Committee chairman Phil Gramm memorably put it, a vast extortion scheme against the nation’s banks. Under its provisions, U.S. banks have committed nearly $1 trillion for inner-city and low-income mortgages and real estate development projects, most of it funneled through a nationwide network of Left-wing community groups, intent, in some cases, on teaching their low-income clients that the financial system is their enemy and, implicitly, that government, rather than their own striving, is the key to their well-being. …

“The CRA’s premise sounds unassailable: helping the poor buy and keep homes will stabilize and rebuild city neighborhoods. As enforced today [2000], though, the law portends just the opposite, threatening to undermine the efforts of the upwardly mobile poor by saddling them with neighbors more than usually likely to depress property values by not maintaining their homes adequately or by losing them to foreclosure. The CRA’s logic also helps to ensure that inner-city neighborhoods stay poor by discouraging the kinds of investment that might make them better off.” – Howard Husock, city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html

These organizations processed loan applications and got about $2,000 for each one. One was making over $10,000,000 a year doing just that alone. No wonder they fought tooth and nail against reform of the Act in the ‘90s. Now consider that the government is going to have to guarantee all these bad loans and who ultimately will have to pay. It won’t be ACORN and their ilk; it will be the taxpayers like you and me, and those who met their loan payment obligations only to see their property values drop. These are financial losses no matter how you look at it and is why giving these groups control of wealth is like handing control of the farm over to the pigs was done in Orwell’s Animal Farm.

Is this sort of thing in line with Catholic teaching? The USCCB didn’t think so and suspend their financial support for ACORN. [USCCB had given them $7,000,000 over a ten-year period.]
Great post. I had not considered this negative aspect of their activism. All the while, ACORN passes blame for the financial meltdown to “greedy capitalists” on Wall Street. Perfect (for them). However, we are not arguing this point with faithful, orthodox Catholics.

Yes, we do have a problem with ACORN:

Alinsky-Catholics Ordering Reform Now

It seems that many of these neo-subs (subversives) aim to change the church (truth) using Alinsky-ACORN like tactics. This is a war for truth. But, they don’t mind shedding that innocent blood.
 
Great post. I had not considered this negative aspect of their activism. All the while, ACORN passes blame for the financial meltdown to “greedy capitalists” on Wall Street. Perfect (for them). However, we are not arguing this point with faithful, orthodox Catholics.

Yes, we do have a problem with ACORN:

Alinsky-Catholics Ordering Reform Now

It seems that many of these neo-subs (subversives) aim to change the church (truth) using Alinsky-ACORN like tactics. This is a war for truth. But, they don’t mind shedding that innocent blood.
That isn’t subversive; its a bad idea. There is a difference between advocating for a bad idea and trying to destroy the United States. I still don’t see anything dangerous about them, other than that one of their ideas contributed to a financial meltdown (the banks still carry a significant, significant share of the blame).

What are their subversive actions?
 
The problem we have here is our priest is promoting our involvement in JOB (Justice Overcoming Borders). Priests are not to be politically active. This type of involvement is for the laity. I wish Fr. Pfleger (of Chicago) had gotten that memo years ago - but I digress.

There are over 170 of these organizations now, and a few in S. Africa.

More than ever, we need to make people aware of why this is bad for Catholic parishes. We need to get back to the sacraments and not mix religion and political activism. Yeah, I know someone will likely bring up the bishop’s statements about voting with great consideration for the candidates’ stands on life issues. This is different.

Thank you for all opinions.
Mimi
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top