Was Baha'u'llah a Saint ?

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Servant19 said:
If you’re referring to my reference to ancient Egyptian religions I know judaism didn’t spring from them.

It was added to maintain sentence synergy.

But there is no doubt that Christianity was considered a heretical sect of Judaism.

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Yes, but only by some of the Jews who didn’t want except him as the Messiah.
 
could anyone back up the statement that Christianity was considered by the jews to be a jewish sect?

I have never seen that in writing before.
 
the most important thing for catholics to know when they encounter bahai is that the bahai theology is almost diametrically opposed to what Jesus taught the twelve apostles.

one area of agreement is that both the bahai and the RCC teach that God is one Being.

another area of apparent (I say apparent because I am not sure that the bahai teach the following) agreement is that both the bahai and RCC teach that we humans should love one another.

after that, not too much teaching that would be considered the same.

so, if you want to reject Jesus, becoming a bahai would do so definitively.
 
eddie_too said:
the most important thing for catholics to know when they encounter bahai is that the bahai theology is almost diametrically opposed to what Jesus taught the twelve apostles.

one area of agreement is that both the bahai and the RCC teach that God is one Being.

another area of apparent (I say apparent because I am not sure that the bahai teach the following) agreement is that both the bahai and RCC teach that we humans should love one another.

after that, not too much teaching that would be considered the same.

so, if you want to reject Jesus, becoming a bahai would do so definitively.
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For a person who doesn’t even know whether Baha’u’llah taught if we should love one another (I mean it’s basically the most fundamental teaching for goodness sake), you seem to know a lot about the Bahai Faith.

Which allows me to categorically proclaim to all readers that all your posts, eddie too, are designed to spread falsities about this wonderful religion.

Your intentions are very clear. Spread untruth, slander and calumnies about Baha’u’llah. This is a crime against the Holy Spirit since you have been made aware on several occasions, and very lovingly and patiently I might add, the lies which you post

You are in my prayers.

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Servant19 said:
Could you please show me where I have been “baiting” argument?

The question was “Was Baha’u’llah a Saint?”, did He live in poverty like Jesus"

I answered yes, He did, and gave an example.

This was then followed with the post

Techno2000

Please show me where I baited argument?
Then please show me how the popularity of Baha’u’llah has anything to do with his saintly character…:confused: :confused: 🤷

Unless you yourself are trying to bait here now?

God bless you 🙂

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My friend, your bait response was not to Techno2000, your bait response was to ProdigalSun. Please don’t draw on any surrounding sources in order to facilitate defense.

Yes. I did bait response. Parallelism is a very common Eastern religion method of appearing sage-like without actually answering the question. You requested ProdigalSun to compare (parallel) your leader with Jesus Christ, as you have also done previously with your attempted parallelism between the bahai movement and the Holy Spirit.

I paralleled yourself with your leader, where you had paralleled your leader with Jesus Christ. (I had also paralleled you both with the Pharisees).

In your response, you first had to make yourself clean, defend yourself, before being in a position to defend your leader. In other words you are defending your leader through yourself.
 
Darryl_B said:
My friend, your bait response was not to Techno2000, your bait response was to ProdigalSun. Please don’t draw on any surrounding sources in order to facilitate defense.

Yes. I did bait response. Parallelism is a very common Eastern religion method of appearing sage-like without actually answering the question. You requested ProdigalSun to compare (parallel) your leader with Jesus Christ, as you have also done previously with your attempted parallelism between the bahai movement and the Holy Spirit.

I paralleled yourself with your leader, where you had paralleled your leader with Jesus Christ. (I had also paralleled you both with the Pharisees).

In your response, you first had to make yourself clean, defend yourself, before being in a position to defend your leader. In other words you are defending your leader through yourself.
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Well I must misunderstand what you mean by “bait argument”…

I thought the question I asked ProdigalSon was a sincere one to engage in an exploration of the truth about Baha’u’llah, which he seems to be missing going by his post.

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Servant19 said:
Well I must misunderstand what you mean by “bait argument”…

I thought the question I asked ProdigalSon was a sincere one to engage in an exploration of the truth about Baha’u’llah, which he seems to be missing going by his post.

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And switch
 
Servant19 said:
If you’re referring to my reference to ancient Egyptian religions I know judaism didn’t spring from them.

It was added to maintain sentence synergy.

But there is no doubt that Christianity was considered a heretical sect of Judaism.

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By whom and what reasons did they give for saying that?

Linus2nd
 
in light of the fact that my declaration that most of what the bahai teach is diametrically opposed to what Jesus taught the twelve apostles was challenged, although the challenge was purely ad hominem and provided no information, much less facts, to prove my assertion wrong, I reiterate.

the bahai deny that the empty tomb and the physically resurrected body of Christ really occurred.

the bahai deny that the Holy Eucharist is the Real Presence of Jesus Christ.

the bahai deny that Jesus is the eternal and uncreated Son of God equal by nature with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

the bahai deny that there are Three (and only three) Persons in the One God.

the bahai deny that we will have glorified bodies after our physical deaths in this world.

the bahai deny that marriage is indissoluble and designed by God for only one man and one woman until death.

the bahai deny that using artificial birth control is contrary to God’s will.

the bahai deny that the petrine office is the sole source of spiritual authority in this world.

the bahai do not even speak of many of these doctrines, but when they do, their words are nothing like the words of the RCC.

they mostly ignore the RCC’s doctrines on Mary the Mother of God. among those doctrines they ignore would be Mary as the Mother of God, the Immaculate Conception, the Perpetual Virginity and the Bodily Assumption.

I could go on, but instead I would invite those bahai who think the above are lies about the bahai religion to provide a place where these RC doctrines are asserted as true and accepted by the bahai religion. by accepted, I mean total agreement with the doctrines as declared by the magisterium of the RCC.

if they provide that, I will acknowledge that my ignorance of the bahai faith led me to make false statements about it.

I am especially interested in where the bahai proclaim 1) that Jesus is the Only Son of God, divine by Jesus’ very nature, uncreated, infinite and eternal; and 2) the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist because that in particular leads to a subsequent question, if the bahai believe that the Holy Eucharist is God Himself, why are they not promoting that belief and kneeling in silent worship before the Blessed Sacrament?

you see words are cheap and accusations on an internet forum are easily made, but providing support for the accusations is not that easy, in particular when the accusations are unfounded.

if the bahai throw out these accusations without any semblance of support, I suggest it reveals the depth and reliability of the entire Bahia belief system.

it is quit common for people who cannot support their words to hurl charges against those with whom they disagree. usually they do this in an attempt to silence opposition. in this instance that would make perfect sense since the bahai who frequent here are seeking converts and it is possible my words may save someone from embracing the bahai errors.

I know much of what the RCC teaches and nothing (beyond there is One God and we should all be good to each other) the bahai have written here about their religion, its beliefs and its founders agrees with what the magisterium of the RCC teaches; and, THAT is the most important thing to take from any and all encounters with a bahai.

the bahai are free to show where the bahai agree with the teachings of the RCC that I presented above.
 
I may have missed it, but what reason do the bahai missionaries who post here give for why a person should reject what Jesus taught the twelve apostles and replacing it with the teachings of bab and Bahaullah?

bab and Bahaullah teach the opposite of Jesus in many, many ways and doctrines.

why should we reject what Jesus taught and replace it with what Bahaullah taught?
 
Servant19 said:
Sounds fair, but let me first clear up all the hundreds of prejudiced comments on this Baha’i thread, which I did not start, nor the other one about Ishmael which seems to be filled with school ground kids mocking the African guy in 1950’s America 🙂

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If someone starts a thread mischaracterizing your faith, I would defend your right to defend your church.

But thread after thread after thread that YOU start to promote your faith? You’ve worn out your welcome, IMO.
 
Randy_Carson said:
If someone starts a thread mischaracterizing your faith, I would defend your right to defend your church.

But thread after thread after thread that YOU start to promote your faith? You’ve worn out your welcome, IMO.
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Servant19 is cool, it’s me who started a lot of these threads just to keep it on topic.
 
eddie_too said:
in light of the fact that my declaration that most of what the bahai teach is diametrically opposed to what Jesus taught the twelve apostles was challenged, although the challenge was purely ad hominem and provided no information, much less facts, to prove my assertion wrong, I reiterate.

the bahai deny that the empty tomb and the physically resurrected body of Christ really occurred.

the bahai deny that the Holy Eucharist is the Real Presence of Jesus Christ.

the bahai deny that Jesus is the eternal and uncreated Son of God equal by nature with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

the bahai deny that there are Three (and only three) Persons in the One God.

the bahai deny that we will have glorified bodies after our physical deaths in this world.

the bahai deny that marriage is indissoluble and designed by God for only one man and one woman until death.

it is quit common for people who cannot support their words to hurl charges against those with whom they disagree. usually they do this in an attempt to silence opposition. in this instance that would make perfect sense since the bahai who frequent here are seeking converts and it is possible my words may save someone from embracing the bahai errors.

I know much of what the RCC teaches and nothing (beyond there is One God and we should all be good to each other) the bahai have written here about their religion, its beliefs and its founders agrees with what the magisterium of the RCC teaches; and, THAT is the most important thing to take from any and all encounters with a bahai.

the bahai are free to show where the bahai agree with the teachings of the RCC that I presented above.
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See post 85 of this thread, a response from Servant 19:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=923914&page=6

I acknowledge that Jesus was the second Person in the Trinity, but I do not see the Trinity as God. I see the God as God, just like Judaism, just like Hinduism, just like Islam and just like the Baha’i Faith. I see Jesus as His Son. Nowhere does Jesus say He is God and worthy of worship…
 
Darryl_B said:
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Well Because when I asked him a question he said it was a subject for another Thread and I couldn’t disagree because I already got a infraction warning from the moderator once before for going off topic.
 
thanks pablobe for providing that support.

here is something I copied from another of servant 19’s post:

"*order for the Apostles to know that Jesus is God, one of two things needs to happen. Either:
  1. Jesus states “I am God” (which He never did btw) OR
  2. The Apostles already knew God before Jesus and therefore could deduce that He was God.
Do you have a reasonable alternative explanation?

It is clear that they saw Jesus as an “equal with God” (and rightly so, I believe that too) but not actually God*"

no explanation is needed because neither we nor anyone else, including servant19 know everything Jesus taught the apostles during the three years He spent continuously teaching and training them.

so when servant says Jesus never told the apostles the He is God, servant is blowing smoke. he probably does not realize and most certainly does not understand this. as we read servant’s posts, the most obvious thing is his lack of knowledge about Jesus and the RCC. this is but one example where his incomplete knowledge results in him making utterly nonsensical statements.

servant writing as though he knew everything Jesus taught the twelve apostles during the three years He spent preparing them to shepherd His flock is nonsensical. even servant19 should realize he does not know everything Jesus taught and that when servant19 starts putting words in or claiming Jesus never said something, he is clearly blowing smoke and is not even a little bit teaching the doctrines Jesus taught the twelve.
 
I agree with Randy. when anyone’s faith is mischaracterized they are not only welcome to but encouraged to set the record state.

since servant19 had declared that is his primary purpose, if not sole purpose, in posting here, is it safe to conclude when servant does not try to set the record straight a statement is accurate?
 
eddie_too said:
because neither we nor anyone else, including servant19 know everything Jesus taught the apostles during the three years He spent continuously teaching and training them.

so when servant says Jesus never told the apostles the He is God, servant is blowing smoke. he probably does not realize and most certainly does not understand this. as we read servant’s posts, the most obvious thing is his lack of knowledge about Jesus and the RCC. this is but one example where his incomplete knowledge results in him making utterly nonsensical statements.
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I don’t clam to know everything Jesus said. According to you nobody else knows what Jesus said to the Apostles. So why implicitly conclude that Jesus is God?

Baha’u’llah however, does know exactly what Jesus said to the Apostles.

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