Was it Right for Minn Archbishop to Censor Fr. Altier from Relevant Radio?

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Holly3278:
Because I don’t know the reason behind it, I cannot make a personal judgement.
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Holly:

I can’t see how anyone could be required to make any kind of judgement about anything without knowldge of the facts. I do see that Catholics could reasonable be expected to investigate something such as this if they can, and if they find things that appear to be serious violations of Church Law, or abuses of Ecclesial Power, to send the documentation to the Vatican, along with a copy to the Bishops they’re writing about.

I just don’t know what else to do when a Bishop tolerates Child Molestation and hide the Molesters from law enforcement and the faithful, or supports the ordination of “Women Priests”, or opposes the Vatican on Artificial Contraception, or refuses to annunciate the Church’s position on Abortion, or refuses to follow the Liturgical Norms as expressed in the GIRM.

Bishops are responsible for making sure the Catholic Church is CATHOLIC on the Diocesan level, but what do you do when SOME of the Bishops don’t do their jobs? …When some of the Bishops seem to believe that some things are more important than the Catholic Faith and the Gospel of Jesus Christ? …Or, Some of the Bishops get confused about what the Catholic Faith and the Gospel of Christ are? …Or, When some of them forget that Bishops are “Servants of the Servants of God”?

I’ll never say that the Faithful should be rude or condescending, or should not try to be diplomatic or respectful. but, Do you think the Church would have had the scandals she’s had in the past decade if the Faithful would have been praying for their clergy and letting the people in authority know when things were going awry?

In Christ, Michel
 
Here’s an email I got from Karen Nedeau from the Archbishop’s communications office.

She said,

Thank you for your recent note. I appreciate that you have benefited spiritually from Father Altier’s homilies. He has done much good work and is not being ‘silenced’. Father Altier is a priest of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis and is in good standing. He wrote to ask me for permission to extend to extend his radio ministry. I reviewed the situation and discerned that a break from his multi-media apostolates might be beneficial to him and the parish of St. Agnes. His primary responsibility has been and continues to be as an assistant to the pastor there in ministering to the parishioners. The specific reasons for this desicion are within the context of a bishop’s relationship with his priests. It would be most innapropriate to discuss them with others. Many people have leaped to unkind and inaccurate conclusions. They do a diservice the Fr. Altier and to me. I pray that Lent will be a time to examine their conscience and grow in charity. They would be well advised to listen to or to read some homilies about the perils of rashly judging others and about the respect owed to the successors of the Apostles. Some people have concerns with regard to the ‘safe environment’ programs for children. Let me assure you that pastors in this Archdiocese have a number of options from which to choose and that parents always retain the right to withhold their children from any program to which they object. I hope that you may avail yourself to some of the other recources on the radio, Internet or in good old fashioned books. I personally enjoy the insights of the periodical of the missal Magnificat. You may be free to visit Saint Agnes where Fr. Altier to actively minister.

She ‘decided’ he needed a break? I thought that only the Archbishop could do this! This just doesn’t sound right.
 
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bones_IV:
Here’s an email I got from Karen Nedeau from the Archbishop’s communications office.

She said,

Thank you for your recent note. I appreciate that you have benefited spiritually from Father Altier’s homilies. He has done much good work and is not being ‘silenced’. Father Altier is a priest of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis and is in good standing. He wrote to ask me for permission to extend to extend his radio ministry. I reviewed the situation and discerned that a break from his multi-media apostolates might be beneficial to him and the parish of St. Agnes. His primary responsibility has been and continues to be as an assistant to the pastor there in ministering to the parishioners. The specific reasons for this desicion are within the context of a bishop’s relationship with his priests. It would be most innapropriate to discuss them with others. Many people have leaped to unkind and inaccurate conclusions. They do a diservice the Fr. Altier and to me. I pray that Lent will be a time to examine their conscience and grow in charity. They would be well advised to listen to or to read some homilies about the perils of rashly judging others and about the respect owed to the successors of the Apostles. Some people have concerns with regard to the ‘safe environment’ programs for children. Let me assure you that pastors in this Archdiocese have a number of options from which to choose and that parents always retain the right to withhold their children from any program to which they object. I hope that you may avail yourself to some of the other recources on the radio, Internet or in good old fashioned books. I personally enjoy the insights of the periodical of the missal Magnificat. You may be free to visit Saint Agnes where Fr. Altier to actively minister.

She ‘decided’ he needed a break? I thought that only the Archbishop could do this! This just doesn’t sound right.
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Whaaaat? Who’s speaking here, the archbishop or some woman named Karen Nedeau? If the latter, who and what is she, and what on earth does she have to do with the assignment of Father Altier’s responsibilities?

I was only mildly interested in this subject at first, (although it has drawn Big Time Attention throughout the archdiocese), but this email more than “doesn’t sound right.” What’s up?

Anna
 
Anna Elizabeth:
Whaaaat? Who’s speaking here, the archbishop or some woman named Karen Nedeau? If the latter, who and what is she, and what on earth does she have to do with the assignment of Father Altier’s responsibilities?

I was only mildly interested in this subject at first, (although it has drawn Big Time Attention throughout the archdiocese), but this email more than “doesn’t sound right.” What’s up?

Anna
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It looks to me like a simple cut and paste oversight. She in trying to communicate w/ the flock failed to attribute the words to the Archbishop.
 
I’m not sure about this Fr. Altier…could be sick?

I still haven’t figures out about Jesuit Malachi Martin. First we were told he was defrocked so we thought he was a dissident. Now we are told he was really a priest. He wrote fictional books about the New World Order or people trying to take down the church, nothing new there. It would help if the church exlained the hoopla… Father Greeley is on Relevant Radio and he flips all over the place.

We see good priests being silenced. I know in MA, Fr. Mullen was silenced for objected to the"Talking about Touching program" and Father Dilorenzo was ordered to stop picketing the Head of the MA Senate’s home. Sen. Travaglini was prochoice and pro gay marriage. Or like Fr. Randall from Prov.RI who was simply overworked though he still spoke of catholic activism. We say the priests don’t get involved in issues but how can they… I guess the church thinks one Fr. Phillip Reilly of Precious Helpers in New York is enough for the whole USA.
 
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gam197:
It would help if the church exlained the hoopla… Father Greeley is on Relevant Radio and he flips all over the place.
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Good grief! Here’s another surprise! Is this really Andrew Greeley the writer of novels?? :confused:

If so, can Richard McBrien be far behind? :rolleyes:

Anna

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Yes.here is Fr. Andrew Greeley’s web page…(Father Greeley has started doing his Homilies on Revelant Radio WCSN 820 AM. The show is called The Catholic Community of Faith 9-10am. The homilies should air around 9:30 am. )

agreeley.com/
 
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Orogeny:
Since we don’t know the Archbishop’s reasons, I don’t think it is right to pass judgement. In fact, since the Archbishop has been given the responsibility to run his diocese, it is the responsibility of the faithful to be obedient. I don’t mean we can’t question with charity, but there seems to be a lot of anger about this action that seems to me to be less than charitable.

Just my opinion.

Peace

Tim
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:amen:

You’ve said it all.

Let’s try something novel… Obedience!
 
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bones_IV:
She ‘decided’ he needed a break? I thought that only the Archbishop could do this! This just doesn’t sound right.
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It is within the rights of the bishop to have anyone advise him. It is also within his rights to delegate powers to anyone he choses.

This was all done within the authority of the archbishop.

I agree with what she has said. Much garbage has been stated as to why this happened when no one knows. It is nothing more than Gossip and Judgement.
 
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justme:
It is within the rights of the bishop to have anyone advise him. It is also within his rights to delegate powers to anyone he choses.

This was all done within the authority of the archbishop.

I agree with what she has said. Much garbage has been stated as to why this happened when no one knows. It is nothing more than Gossip and Judgement.
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The thing though that makes me angry is why we have so many dissident priests like Father Greely roaming around promoting heresy and are given the free pass. There used to be a day in age when someone did something like this and was punished accordingly. When a priest was disciplined for promoting heresy there was a shame he felt. And now wicked priests like Andrew Greely promote heresy and feel no shame. Many Catholics are acting like heresy and rebellion is a badge of courage. I get the impression that the innocent priests are being punished and wicked ones are going about their merry way.
 
You’ve said it all.

Let’s try something novel… Obedience!
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David:

The Archbishop didn’t issue the order. A woman from the Archbishop’s Communications Office stated that she made the decision. She could not point to any doctrinal irregularities or disciplinary problems - only that she believed Fr. Altier “needed a break from his multi-media apostolates”.

Fr. Andrew Greely, who has challenged Church Teaching on numerous occasions has broadcast and continues to broadcast on Relevant Radio.

When Pope Paul VI released Humanae Vitae, many Bishops publicly opposed it, and ordered their priests to disregard it. Are you saying those priests should have obeeyed their Bishops? Or, Will you agree with me and state that they should have obeyed Pope Paul and disobeyed their Bishops?

St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher are both St.'s because they refused to follow their Bishops and sign the Act of Parliament making King Henry VIII the head of the Church of England. Will you agree with me and state that they did the right thing by obeying the Pope and disobeying their Bishops? Remember, NOT ONE English Bishop refused to sign the Act of Parliament.

When I stand before our Lord, I don’t think he’s going to accept, “My bishop ordered me to do it,” if I follow an Illicit order that brings me into opposition to the Bishop of Rome. As St. Thomas More said, “You hold your soul in your hand.”

In Christ, Michael
 
(how many others)…

Fr. Altier spoke against the TAT program?. Source on Fr. Mullen:

(Archbishop Sean O’Malley was installed as head of the Archdiocese of Boston on July 30, 2003. We are glad for his messages in support of marriage and life, but are disturbed at the apparent concessionary attitude toward the Left, e.g., restoring meeting privileges to Father Cuenin’s parish, imposition of TAT, and the silencing of Fr. Mullen. We again urge the reading of Professor James Hitchcock’s article, “Conservative Bishops, Liberal Results” wf-f.org/JFH-ConservativeBishops.html)

SCROLL TO BOTTOM OF PAGE…orboston.org/
 
Traditional Ang:
David:

The Archbishop didn’t issue the order. A woman from the Archbishop’s Communications Office stated that she made the decision. She could not point to any doctrinal irregularities or disciplinary problems - only that she believed Fr. Altier “needed a break from his multi-media apostolates”.

Fr. Andrew Greely, who has challenged Church Teaching on numerous occasions has broadcast and continues to broadcast on Relevant Radio.

When Pope Paul VI released Humanae Vitae, many Bishops publicly opposed it, and ordered their priests to disregard it. Are you saying those priests should have obeeyed their Bishops? Or, Will you agree with me and state that they should have obeyed Pope Paul and disobeyed their Bishops?

St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher are both St.'s because they refused to follow their Bishops and sign the Act of Parliament making King Henry VIII the head of the Church of England. Will you agree with me and state that they did the right thing by obeying the Pope and disobeying their Bishops? Remember, NOT ONE English Bishop refused to sign the Act of Parliament.

When I stand before our Lord, I don’t think he’s going to accept, “My bishop ordered me to do it,” if I follow an Illicit order that brings me into opposition to the Bishop of Rome. As St. Thomas More said, “You hold your soul in your hand.”

In Christ, Michael
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As I said before, why certain heterodox priests are still allowed to be preaching is beyond me.
 
Traditional Ang:
David:

The Archbishop didn’t issue the order. A woman from the Archbishop’s Communications Office stated that she made the decision.Michael
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Michael,
Actually, as this woman works for the archbishop in a position he has given her and he had chosen to delegate certain of his responsibilites to her, it is the same as if the archbishop has made this decision.

Again, obedience. If it comes from the archibishop’s office and he has not over turned it then it is from the archbishop.
Fr. Andrew Greely
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This is a Red Herring, as is bringing up any other dissenting voice as this issue has to do with Fr Altier and no one else.

It is especially a Red Herring with Fr Greely as I believe that Fr Greely is not a priest of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis so the archbishop has no control over him.
 
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ByzCath:
Michael,
Actually, as this woman works for the archbishop in a position he has given her and he had chosen to delegate certain of his responsibilites to her, it is the same as if the archbishop has made this decision.

Again, obedience. If it comes from the archibishop’s office and he has not over turned it then it is from the archbishop.

This is a Red Herring, as is bringing up any other dissenting voice as this issue has to do with Fr Altier and no one else.

It is especially a Red Herring with Fr Greely as I believe that Fr Greely is not a priest of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis so the archbishop has no control over him.
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A Red Herring? How? Again, not every desicion the archbishop makes is right is it? Of course not. Is seperating Fr. Greely from this your way of avoiding the issue of this thread.
 
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bones_IV:
A Red Herring? How? Again, not every desicion the archbishop makes is right is it? Of course not. Is seperating Fr. Greely from this your way of avoiding the issue of this thread.
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Yes it is a Red Herring.

The Archbishop does not have jurisdiction over priests that are not part of his diocese.

This is a classic example of a Red Herring, which is introducing irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question at hand.

This argument of yours falls to the level of a child telling his mother “but Timmy’s mom lets him do it”.

You can not blame this archibishop for the actions or lack of actions of another bishop.
 
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ByzCath:
Yes it is a Red Herring.

The Archbishop does not have jurisdiction over priests that are not part of his diocese.

This is a classic example of a Red Herring, which is introducing irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question at hand.

This argument of yours falls to the level of a child telling his mother “but Timmy’s mom lets him do it”.

You can not blame this archibishop for the actions or lack of actions of another bishop.
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I’m saying that there is double standard. What Andrew Greely’s bishop does with him is his business. Again, I think that Fr. Altier is being treated unfairly. I’m speaking of bishops and priests and general not individual diocese. Not to say that every bishop does this. But there has been a lot dissention and anarchy since Vatican II in case you’ve been blind to this fact.
 
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gam197:
Yes.here is Fr. Andrew Greeley’s web page…(Father Greeley has started doing his Homilies on Revelant Radio WCSN 820 AM. The show is called The Catholic Community of Faith 9-10am. The homilies should air around 9:30 am. )

agreeley.com/
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Well, it would seem that what the bishops couldn’t do with EWTN they are fast on their way to doing with Relevant Radio. At least we are now able to keep track of their efforts and label them for what they are.

Still, things do work out strangely. The news that Richrd McBrien, who “got by” with the first accusation of plagiarism is now nailed in another similar, but even more shameful, accusation is heartening.

Meanwhile, some more of my Relevant Radio donation is skimmed off to be sent to Orthodox Catholic organizations. I may end up just sending a “little something” to Dr. Ray once in a while!

Keep praying,

Anna
 
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bones_IV:
I’m saying that there is double standard. What Andrew Greely’s bishop does with him is his business. Again, I think that Fr. Altier is being treated unfairly. I’m speaking of bishops and priests and general not individual diocese. Not to say that every bishop does this. But there has been a lot dissention and anarchy since Vatican II in case you’ve been blind to this fact.
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It is not a double standard as each bishop is an individual.
 
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