Was Jesus a Palestinian?

[The_Iambic_Pen]

When one is asked “Was Jesus a Palestinian?” one must wonder what the questioner is really trying to discover. If the question is, “Was Jesus born in the region often called Palestine?” then the answer is “yes.” If the question is, “Was Jesus born of the same ethnicity as the people now known as ‘Palestinians?’” then the answer is “no.”

If one really wants to answer this question, however, one must first answer the question, “What is a Palestinian?” One answer is that a Palestinian is any person, Arab or Jew, whose family has lived in modern Israel, the West Bank, or Gaza Strip, since before the Zionist movement and the emigration of outside Jews to the land. Another answer is that this applies exclusively to the pre-Zionist Arab population. Yet another answer is that any Arab, including one from Jordan, Egypt, Iraq or anywhere else, can start calling themselves a Palestinian the minute they set foot in the land often called “Palestine.”

The “Jesus was a Palestinian” assertion is often used by certain Islamic groups in an attempt to cause Christians, both Arab and others, to have sympathy for the Arab Palestinian movement and to oppose the state of Israel.

 

[the_good_good]

The Iambic Pen

When one is asked “Was Jesus a Palestinian?”

as what we today call Palestinians it might be .

Was Jesus born of the same ethnicity as the people now known as ‘Palestinians?’" then the answer is “no.”

first of all there is no Palestinian ethnic !!!
the Palestinian is not one race or ethnics !!

DNA and genetic studies
Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[69][70] together as the one same population, represent modern “descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times”, albeit religiously Christianized and later largely Islamized, then both ultimately becoming culturally Arabized.[71] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian “Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan.” Geneticist Michael Hammer praised “the study for ‘focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.’” [72]
bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html

with a lot of References en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#cite_note-70

Thoughts on the Middle East, History, and Religion
Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute
Mr. Cole is Professor of Modern Middle Eastern and South Asian History at the University of Michigan

Arab" is not a racial category. There are anyway no such things as races in the way they are popularly imagined. But even on that level the “Arabs” are just people who speak a language. The northern Sudanese are black Africans but speak Arabic. The Red Sea port city of Massawa in Eritrea (formerly Ethiopia) is largely Arabic-speaking because of historical trading patterns, though the population is African. On the other hand, there are blue-eyed, fair-haired Arabs in the Levant, presumably descendants of the Crusaders. About a third of Israelis are Arab Jews, i.e., Jews from Arabic-speaking countries who traditionally spoke Arabic as their mother tongue. While the term is now rejected by many, it is certainly the case that in 1945 Moroccan and Yemeni Jews were “Arab.” All Arabs are not Muslim, and only a minority of Muslims is Arab.
hnn.us/articles/3746.html

nature international weekly journal of science
The White Race of Palestine
ON the occasion of my first visit to Palestine I was struck by the number of blue-eyed, fair-haired children whom I met with in the towns and villages, more especially in the mountainous parts of the country. At the time I supposed them to be the descendants of the Crusaders or of the other natives of Northern Europe who found their way to the Holy Land
during the Middle Ages.
nature.com/nature/journal/v3 … 321a0.html

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4577/11355031qp4.jpg
this is miss palatine

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Admin_81.jpg
soccer star - Palestinian

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7508/lotfi1gm6sk6.jpg
girl from gaza

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6636/103591162477135wf3.jpg
boy from west bank - Palestine
Palestinian Arabs (38.4%) - Haplogroup J1 Arabian Peninsula
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)#J1
In Jewish populations overall, J1 constitutes 19.0% of the Ashkenazim results and 11.9% of the Sephardic results (Semino et al. 2004)(Behar et al. 2004).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)#J1

to be continued

 

[the_good_good]

there is no jews race !!

While both the Palestinians and the world’s distinct Jewish populations have mixed with invading and host populations respectively, Oppenheim’s team found "that Jews have mixed more with other populations, which makes sense because they were more likely to leave the Levant.
bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#cite_note-73

there is an arab jews Kurdish jews

Haplogroup J2 is founded in the jews
and the arab race Haplogroup J1

most of the present day jews have no any historical connection with the land of Canaan what today called Israel or Palestine

Haplogroup J2 is found mainly in the Fertile Crescent, the Mediterranean (including Southern Europe and North Africa), the Iranian plateau and Central Asia[1]. More specifically it is found in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Israel, Greece, Italy and the eastern coasts of the Iberian Peninsula[8], and more frequently in Iraqis 29.7% (Sanchez et al. 2005), Lebanese 29.7% (wells et al. 2001), Syrians 29%, Sephardic Jews 29%, Kurds 28.4% , Province of Kurdistan (28.4% of the population)[1], Saudi Arabia (18.9% of the northern and central-north region)[citation needed], in South Arabia (Oman, Yemen, UAE) 9.7%[9], in Jordan, in Israel[1], in Turkey [2], and in the southern Caucasus region [10]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2_(Y-DNA
and in that page u will find the References

is found mainly in the Fertile Crescent, the Mediterranean (including Southern Europe and North Africa), the Iranian plateau and Central Asia[1]. More specifically it is found in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Israel, Greece, Italy and the eastern coasts of the Iberian Peninsula[2], and more frequently in Iraqis 29.7% (Sanchez et al. 2005), Lebanese 29.7% (wells et al. 2001), Syrians 29%, Sephardic Jews 29%, Kurds (28.4% of the population)[1], Saudi Arabia (18.9% of the northern and central-north region)[citation needed], in South Arabia (Oman, Yemen, UAE) 9.7%[3], in Jordan, in Israel[1], in Turkey [4], and in the southern Caucasus region [5]. According to Semino et al and the National Geographic Genographic Project, the frequency of haplogroup J2 generally declines as one moves away from the Northern fertile crescent. Haplogroup J2 is carried by 6% of Europeans and its frequency drops dramatically as one moves northward away from the Mediterranean.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)#J1
and there is all the References in that page

Haplogroup J1 Arabian Peninsula
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)#J1
In Jewish populations overall, J1 constitutes 19.0% of the Ashkenazim results and 11.9% of the Sephardic results (Semino et al. 2004)(Behar et al. 2004).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)#J1

to be continued

 

[the_good_good]

most of Palestinians people was Christians

DNA and genetic studies
Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim in 2000 matched historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[69][70] together as the one same population, represent modern “descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times”, albeit religiously Christianized and later largely Islamized, then both ultimately becoming culturally Arabized.[71] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian “Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan.” Geneticist Michael Hammer praised “the study for ‘focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.’” [72]
bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97…w/001030a.html

with a lot of References en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti…e#cite_note-70

and by the way i am in atheist blonde Palestinian guy from west bank Palestine - ex muslem

more about the Palestinians

Early History of the Region
Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.
“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan…Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.”

Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land

were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years…Then it fell apart…[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan

the sophisticated water system in Jerusalem 1800 BCE
“Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE…Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined…Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE.” The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998

The present-day Palestinians’ ancestral heritage
“But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree…And that parent tree was Canaanite…[The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin.
” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan

ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html#early%20http://mediamatters.org%20/
Published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East
Jews for Justice has made this excellent resource available to people around the world

 

[the_good_good]

the philstines is not the present day Palestinian its a false name by the Persian and then by the roman

 

[patrick457]

the good good, I’ve gotta remind you of a few things :

1.) Use proper punctuation.
2.) You don’t have to use enlarged fonts and different font colors for emphasis; it makes your posts more difficult to read.

 

[the_good_good]

the good good, I’ve gotta remind you of a few things :

1.) Use proper punctuation.
2.) You don’t have to use enlarged fonts and different font colors for
emphasis; it makes your posts more difficult to read.

its for the most important points in the articles

next time i will use a normal font

 

[Ghosty]

If the question is, “Was Jesus born of the same ethnicity as the people now known as ‘Palestinians?’” then the answer is “no.”

I don’t think this is correct. The people generally referred to as Palestinians are not of Arab descent, except perhaps a little bit here and there from conquests, but are directly descended from the local population of Jews who stayed in the land and converted to Christianity and later Islam.

They speak primarily Arabic, but this is due to the Arab conquests that also spread Islam. While they can be classed as “Arabs” due to the cultural influences, it’s a misnomer to apply that to their ethnicity (just as it is in the case of many Middle Eastern “Arab” groups, such as the Copts and the Maronites of Lebanon).

Peace and God bless!

 

[The_Iambic_Pen]

I don’t think this is correct. The people generally referred to as Palestinians are not of Arab descent, except perhaps a little bit here and there from conquests, but are directly descended from the local population of Jews who stayed in the land and converted to Christianity and later Islam.

They speak primarily Arabic, but this is due to the Arab conquests that also spread Islam. While they can be classed as “Arabs” due to the cultural influences, it’s a misnomer to apply that to their ethnicity (just as it is in the case of many Middle Eastern “Arab” groups, such as the Copts and the Maronites of Lebanon).

Peace and God bless!

Interesting. I should really study some more of the early history, particularly following the Roman crackdown of AD 70. I don’t imagine the Jews were all exiled. It’s a pity that the history of that region becomes so politicized. Perhaps if the Jews and Palestinians were more conscious of their shared lineage, they would be more likely to see each other as brothers and sisters.

 

[DanteAlighieri]

No, Palestine did not exist back then.

Um…was not Palestine the Roman name for that entire region?

The “Palestinian” people referred to today is a recent development. From a Roman perspective, however, anyone who lived in Palestine would have been Palestinian, so to speak.

Peace,
Dante

 

[patrick457]

Um…was not Palestine the Roman name for that entire region?

The “Palestinian” people referred to today is a recent development. From a Roman perspective, however, anyone who lived in Palestine would have been Palestinian, so to speak.

Peace,
Dante

Actually, the official name of the region at the time of Jesus was “the province of Iudaea” (formed by combining Judea proper with the other regions of Samaria and Idumaea, not including Galilee and Gaulanitis, nor Peraea and the Decapolis). Then, the term “Palaestina” (Greek Palaistina) more properly referred to the coastal province of Philistia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...lestine.gif/300px-First_century_palestine.gif

It was only after Bar Kochba’s revolt in 135 AD that the Emperor Hadrian changed the name of the province into Syria Palaestina and Jerusalem into Aelia Capitolina, in order to historically disconnect the Jews from their land as punishment for their rebellion against Roman rule.

Eventually, under Diocletian (284-305) the region was divided into Palaestina Prima which was Judea, Samaria, Idumea, Peraea and the coastal plain with Caesarea as capital, Palaestina Secunda which was Galilee, Decapolis, Golan with Beth-shean as capital, and Palaestina Tertia which was the Negev with Petra as capital.

So, it would be a bit anachronistic to refer to Jews at the time of Jesus as ‘Palestinians’ since the name was still not in use then (having only come into use a full century after Jesus). More proper would be ‘Judeans’, ‘Galileans’, ‘Pereans’, or what-have-you.

 

[Ghosty]

Interesting. I should really study some more of the early history, particularly following the Roman crackdown of AD 70. I don’t imagine the Jews were all exiled. It’s a pity that the history of that region becomes so politicized. Perhaps if the Jews and Palestinians were more conscious of their shared lineage, they would be more likely to see each other as brothers and sisters.

Interestingly, most Palestinians I’ve talked to about this subject are well aware of the connection; for them the question more about whether or not the fair-skinned, European people who came and created Israel are really Jews, or Europeans (native Jews tend to look like Palestinians).

Not trying to fuel any debate on the subject, especially since I think it’s clear that the European Jews are indeed Jews, but merely pointing out that this is an issue that I’ve heard brought up frequently from the “Palestinian side”.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Voco_proTatiano]

I thought Jesus was a jew

The Latin word which is translated as ‘Jew’, ‘judaeus’, actially means Judean, in the same way that ‘galilaeus’ means Galilean.
So Jesus was not by nationality a Judean, but a Galilean.
Hence He was not a Jew in the meaning of the words in the Gospel.
However, his religious beliefs were an ideal form of what opassed as Judaism in those days, so, in terms of religion, you might say Jesus was a Jew, but nationally, and racially, he was a Galilean,
Incidentally, Galilee is nationally related to Galatia, which was a Celtic nation.
So Jesus was a Celt.

 

[Voco_proTatiano]

No, Palestine did not exist back then.

Oh, and what nationality were Goliath and Jezebel?
Philistine comes to mind.
This is simply the Hebrew pronunciation of Palestine.

 

[Voco_proTatiano]

Is there no such thing as a Jewish Palestinian?

Actually, the Palestinians are the Hebrews that the Romans did not cast out.
They were the Christians who did not take part in the Jewish revolts.
Some of these Christians found comfort in Islam, which in the early days closely resembled their beliefs, being as they still clung quite closely to Jewish law.
Hence the Jews despise them as traitors, even though the Judeans were the original quislings under Pontius Pilate.

 

[Voco_proTatiano]

newadvent.org/cathen/06410a.htm
Genealogy of Jesus

You need to understand that in Judean law of the times, there was no such concept as adoption.
There was the concept of acknowledgement, and denial.
A person acknowledged as a son or daughter, by a man, was in EVERY sense, the son, or daughter of that man, and likewise one so denied was in every sense not so.

The act of acknowledgment was, and still is referred to as the act of begetting.
See:
Psalm 2: 7:-
Dominus dixit ad me:
Filius meus es tu,
ego hodie genui te.
The LORD said to me:
Thou art my son,
today I have begotten thee.

 

[Holly3278]

I wouldn’t call him a Palestinian since the place was not known as Palestine when he was born. I would call him a Jew.

 

[Voco_proTatiano]

I wouldn’t call him a Palestinian since the place was not known as Palestine when he was born. I would call him a Jew.

Then, Friend, your language, and therefore your comprehension is inaccurate.
A Jew was one of two things:
A Judahite, or a member of the TRIBE of Judah,
or
a Judean, or a citizen of the puppet Roman state of Judea.

In the New Testament, only Two people referred to Our Lord as a Judahite, they were:
The Samaritan Woman,
and
Pontius Pilate.

In all other cases, he is referred to as a Galilean, or a Celt.
So, Yes, he could have had Blue Eyes, and Red Hair!

 

[Voco_proTatiano]

Hi Hmmm… I thought a descendant was a relative. For instance, if I had no biological children then I have no descendants. No?

Would I call an adopted child a descendant? Well, did they descend from me?

7 dictionary results for: descend
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de·scend /dɪˈsɛnd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-send] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used without object) 1. to go or pass from a higher to a lower place; move or come down: to descend from the mountaintop.
2. to pass from higher to lower in any scale or series.
3. to go from generals to particulars, as in a discussion.
4. to slope, tend, or lead downward: The path descends to the pond.
5. to be inherited or transmitted, as through succeeding generations of a family: The title descends through eldest sons.
**6. to have a specific person or family among one’s ancestors (usually fol. by from): He is descended from Cromwell. **
7. to be derived from something remote in time, esp. through continuous transmission: This festival descends from a druidic rite.
8. to approach or pounce upon, esp. in a greedy or hasty manner (fol. by on or upon): Thrill-seekers descended upon the scene of the crime.
9. to settle, as a cloud or vapor.
10. to appear or become manifest, as a supernatural being, state of mind, etc.: Jupiter descended to humankind.
11. to attack, esp. with violence and suddenness (usually fol. by on or upon): to descend upon enemy soldiers.
12. to sink or come down from a certain intellectual, moral, or social standard: He would never descend to baseness.
13. Astronomy. to move toward the horizon, as the sun or a star.
–verb (used with object) 14. to move downward upon or along; go or climb down (stairs, a hill, etc.).
15. to extend or lead down along: The path descends the hill.

You miss the point entirely, that a previous poster has made, though he did use an incorrect concept.
In the mores of the time, the Israelites had NO concept of ADOPTION.
What he refers to as adoption was in fact, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
The Latin verb used to represent acknowledgement in this context is ‘gigno, gignere’, which is universally translated as beget.
Genetics is irrelevant in this context.

 

[Voco_proTatiano]

I’d say that the nationality of Palestinian is a recent invention.

No, it was the insulting resurrection of the ancient land of Philistia.
It was also a lousy pun on the name of Pilate, and ‘palatinate’.
Rome had no respect or love for the Judean Quislings, and took cruel pleasure in rubbishing them.
You can see this attitude in Pilate’s judgment of Our Lord.