Was Jesus able to perform miracle?

[Bahman]

This is a well accepted fact among Christian that Jesus was able to perform miracles. Why then Jesus didn’t perform a miracle in the court to convince the judge that He is God so he save his life and continue his teaching?

 

[Vico]

This is a well accepted fact among Christian that Jesus was able to perform miracles. Why then Jesus didn’t perform a miracle in the court to convince the judge that He is God so he save his life and continue his teaching?

Pilate did not have an open mind, and did not hear Moses and the prophets.

Gospel of John 18

37 Pilate therefore said to him: Art thou a king then? Jesus answered:

Thou sayest that I am a king. For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice. 38 Pilate saith to him:
What is truth? And when he said this, he went out again to the Jews, and saith to them: I find no cause in him.​

Gospel of Luke 16
The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus
(Also see John 5:39-47)

19 There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, 21 Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. 23 And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: 24 And he cried, and said:

Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. 25 And Abraham said to him:
Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. 27 And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father’s house, for I have five brethren, 28 That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. 29 And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance. 31 And he said to him:
If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.
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[seagal]

1. The whole purpose for the second person of the trinity incarnating as man was to become a sacrifice. Jesus’ death was planned from the beginning.
2. His teaching was finished. The time was right for Jesus to be put to death. There are passages showing that Jesus eluded those who wanted to capture him because the time wasn’t yet right.

 

[Bahman]

1. The whole purpose for the second person of the trinity incarnating as man was to become a sacrifice. Jesus’ death was planned from the beginning.
2. His teaching was finished. The time was right for Jesus to be put to death. There are passages showing that Jesus eluded those who wanted to capture him because the time wasn’t yet right.

So he persist in his claim to be God knowing the fact that He would be killed. Doesn’t that mean that He was responsible for his death?

 

[Bahman]

Pilate did not have an open mind, and did not hear Moses and the prophets.

Gospel of John 18

37 Pilate therefore said to him: Art thou a king then?
Jesus answered: Thou sayest that I am a king. For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith to him: What is truth?
And when he said this, he went out again to the Jews, and saith to them: I find no cause in him…

Why Jesus didn’t tell them the truth?

 

[seagal]

So he persist in his claim to be God knowing the fact that He would be killed. Doesn’t that mean that He was responsible for his death?

Yes he was responsible in the sense that he offered himself as a sacrifice for all of us. No he was not responsible in the sense that we were the reason he had to die in the first place. But he is God, the author of life. He knew he would rise again.

Why Jesus didn’t tell them the truth?

He did, they didn’t listen. To the Jews of the time what he told them was unequivocal. He said “I am.” He said his kingdom was not of this world. He showed that he had authority over illness, disease, creation, death, and even demons, and he had the authority to forgive sins.

Have you ever read the gospels?

 

[Vico]

Why Jesus didn’t tell them the truth?

He did, for years, and with many miraculous healings, but some said he was a necromancer, and wanted to kill him.

 

[heidi_storage]

Where are you coming from on this? I have a friend who told me that she thinks of Jesus’ crucifixion as a really sad thing, like something awful that happened to a friend. It sounds like you might have a similar perspective, but that isn’t how the Bible presents His death at all. Could He have avoided His death? Absolutely. Consider Matthew 26:52-4:

52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?” (NIV)

Jesus came to die for our sins. Indeed, throughout Matthew and the other Gospels, He speaks of the necessity of His death. His teaching was never meant to be the primary purpose of becoming a human being; after all, God had spoken through prophets and angels before without becoming human.

Responsibility? Sure, you could say He was responsible for His death–it was freely chosen, in obedience to God the Father–as long as you aren’t saying that this then absolves the men who put Him to death of their role in the execution of an innocent man. All of the human parties involved in the crucifixion were definitely responsible for their own actions–Judas, the Sanhedrin, Pilate et al–but as other posters have said, the plan was for Jesus to die and be raised again that he might offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins. For more on this thought, read the books of Hebrews (especially Hebrews 10) and Romans.

PS Please do keep asking questions. May God reveal truth to you as you seek it, and may your heart be made ready to accept it!

 

[Bahman]

Yes he was responsible in the sense that he offered himself as a sacrifice for all of us. No he was not responsible in the sense that we were the reason he had to die in the first place. But he is God, the author of life. He knew he would rise again.

So following your logic he could even commit suicide? What is really the difference?

He did, they didn’t listen. To the Jews of the time what he told them was unequivocal. He said “I am.” He said his kingdom was not of this world.

These are simply claims.

He showed that he had authority over illness, disease, creation, death, and even demons, and he had the authority to forgive sins.

It is claimed in the Bible that Devils can also perform miracles so why they should believe that Jesus is God?

 

[Bahman]

He did, for years, and with many miraculous healings, but some said he was a necromancer, and wanted to kill him.

According to what is written in Bible even Devils could perform miracles. So why people should believe that Jesus is God?

 

[pianistclare]

According to what is written in Bible even Devils could perform miracles. So why people should believe that Jesus is God?

With all charity,
I read all of your threads.
You sound very unhappy.
You are looking for God within yourself, and your own definitions.
Get a spiritual Director if you are interested in Catholicism. I can only imagine that’s why you are here. You want PROOF.
We can’t give you proof. We can only tell you what the Church teaches, and has taught through Scripture & through eyewitnesses for 2000+ years now. If that’s not good enough for you…well, …
Most of us here are believers, and take things we don’t understand on faith, because we love God, and don’t presume to fully understand Him. Yes, theologians have gone a long way to explain things to the faithful and there are some great ones to read and research.

I wish you peace, I wish you the Love of Christ Jesus in your heart for years to come, and I pray that you are relieved of these doubts, so that you can have the relationship you desire with your Creator.
God bless you now, and forever.

 

[Stephen_says]

So following your logic he could even commit suicide? What is really the difference?

These are simply claims.

It is claimed in the Bible that Devils can also perform miracles so why they should believe that Jesus is God?

You seem to be incredulous that Jesus would say that “I AM” and that Pilate and the Jews didn’t believe him…but you’re in the same position, I fear. It is probably easier for you to answer your own question about why people wouldn’t believe he was the Christ, the son of God. It is because of the hardness of their hearts, the fact that they didn’t want to believe that Jesus was who he said he was.

And yes, demons could perform miracles, maybe, but as we know from this little episode in the bible:

Mark 3:
22 And the Scribes, who were come down from Jerusalem, said: *He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of devils he casteth out devils.

23 And after he had called them together, he said to them in parables: How can Satan cast out Satan?

24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

26 And if Satan be risen up against himself, he is divided, and cannot stand, but hath an end.

Pax

 

[Bahman]

…Jesus came to die for our sins. Indeed, throughout Matthew and the other Gospels, He speaks of the necessity of His death. His teaching was never meant to be the primary purpose of becoming a human being; after all, God had spoken through prophets and angels before without becoming human.

What is the relation between His death and our sins? God can simply forgive our sins. No need to say that the act of sacrifice for sin is older tradition than Christianity. Moreover what was the point of sacrifice if he went to Heaven after his death? He just accepted the torture.

Responsibility? Sure, you could say He was responsible for His death–it was freely chosen, in obedience to God the Father–as long as you aren’t saying that this then absolves the men who put Him to death of their role in the execution of an innocent man. All of the human parties involved in the crucifixion were definitely responsible for their own actions–Judas, the Sanhedrin, Pilate et al–but as other posters have said, the plan was for Jesus to die and be raised again that he might offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins. For more on this thought, read the books of Hebrews (especially Hebrews 10) and Romans.

Why should He obey Father? Jesus was God too.

 

[petra22]

So he persist in his claim to be God knowing the fact that He would be killed. Doesn’t that mean that He was responsible for his death?

Don’t you get it? Jesus was killed and died and rose again so he isn’t dead and if we believe him we will die like God told Adam and Eve in the Garden but we will rise again to eternal life. Jesus said follow him. That was the purpose for his death on the cross and the resurrection.

 

[PraiseChrist]

Even during the time Jesus was being murdered, people were mocking him and telling him to get down from the Cross: this is what the bad thief did. The Good Thief on the other hand, begged for Jesus to remember him and was told that he will be with Jesus in Paradise.

Jesus isn’t committing suicide: He is following the will of God the Father. He allowed himself to die, for the life of the world. Compare him to a pelican, when it sees its offspring starved, pokes her own flesh and allows her offspring to drink her blood.

This Bible excerpt above my post is Jesus’ own answer to this other objection.

The demons aren’t predicted earlier in the Bible to do great things: It is Jesus who is awaited and the subject of good prophecy.

Satan also destroys, scatters, and lies to others. You can see this in the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus on the other hand, builds up, and creates. He doesn’t lie to people: He tells them to convert otherwise they will face justice, he creates a single Church that loves him.

PS.
Peter and Paul died horrible, humiliating deaths in Rome for Satan, according to these suggestions that Jesus is some demon. I say, Paul, who was so against the first Christians, who consented to their deaths, ended up dying for the same cause.

 

[PraiseChrist]

Those who try to disprove Catholicism are the next RCIA class students, in my opinion.

 

[PraiseChrist]

What is the relation between His death and our sins? God can simply forgive our sins. No need to say that the act of sacrifice for sin is older tradition than Christianity. Moreover what was the point of sacrifice if he went to Heaven after his death? He just accepted the torture.

Why should He obey Father? Jesus was God too.

“94. What do we learn from the sufferings and death of Christ?
From the sufferings and death of Christ we learn God’s love for man and the evil of sin, for which God, who is all-just, demands such great satisfaction.” Baltimore Catechism
Many of these questions can be answered from the Catechism, by the way: here’s a link to the Baltimore Catechism on the Redemption: catholicity.com/baltimore-catechism/lesson08.html
And here’s the entire Baltimore Catechism: catholicity.com/baltimore-catechism/

Read the Athanasian Creed: beginningcatholic.com/athanasian-creed.html

 

[sirach2v4]

Why Jesus didn’t tell them the truth?

The gospels say that, of course, Jesus knew what peoples’ thoughts were, to start off with.

But, to your point, Pilate’s question was rhetorical. Pilate was distracted by facts and could not recognize truth, when it was standing before him. Besides, Jesus had just told him the truth.

Pilate is a prototype of monsters like Hitler and Stalin who only recognize the power of armies, etc.

 

[truetofaith]

1. The whole purpose for the second person of the trinity incarnating as man was to become a sacrifice. Jesus’ death was planned from the beginning.
2. His teaching was finished. The time was right for Jesus to be put to death. There are passages showing that Jesus eluded those who wanted to capture him because the time wasn’t yet right.

I agree…Jesus became a man to die for the sins of the world. If He didn’t sacrifice Himself for us, we would not get to Heaven.

 

[Vico]

According to what is written in Bible even Devils could perform miracles. So why people should believe that Jesus is God?

Only God performs substantial miracles, such as raising the dead. Angelic miracles are all ascribed to God. The powers of evil spirits are strictly conditioned: for example:

• The Egyptian magicians of Exodus 8:19,
• The story of Job,
• Evil spirits acknowledging the power of Christ in Matthew 8:31,
• The Apocalypse in Revelation 9:14.

Christ said in Matthew 24:23-25:

23 If anyone says to you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told it to you beforehand.