Was Mohammed a Sinner?

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I’m looking at this from the objective truth–the truth that God wouldn’t want a man to have several wives.

So why did He allow so many in the Bible to have multiple wives? Where does it state in the Bible not to have multiple wives?

doubt I would want to follow a religion where ‘my prophet’ slept with little children,

Here is where you are judging through the eyes of your culture. In your culture she is a child, but in other cultures she is an adult ready for marriage. Read the last post in this thread:
whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1525&PN=1

and had multiple partners/wives. I think a prophet should set a higher example. No?

Most of his wives were older divorced women whom he married because they had no one to support them. Read the second post in the above link.

I thought muslims, christians and jews all worship the same God

We do. 🙂

The same God doesn’t have different rule books depending on what part of the world you reside. Universal truth. If you choose to not believe universal truth, that is your right.

So who is to say that what you believe is the universal truth and what we have isn’t? We both say it is from God. Also why did rules change from the OT to the NT?

I don’t want you to reply to anything I posted above, as we are getting off topic. If you believe Muhammad did a sin according to Islam’s definition of a sin and not anyone elses, then please list it.

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I don’t want you to reply to anything I posted above, as we are getting off topic. If you believe Muhammad did a sin according to Islam’s definition of a sin and not anyone elses, then* please list it. *

I did! LOL 😃
 
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whatevergirl:
I don’t want you to reply to anything I posted above, as we are getting off topic. If you believe Muhammad did a sin according to Islam’s definition of a sin and not anyone elses, then* please list it. *

I did! LOL 😃
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Where? Show me which Islamic law he went against. Everything he did is allowed in Islamic law, though you may not agree with it, it is part of Islam and isn’t considered a sin according to Islam’s definition of a sin.

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Does Islamic law not support the 10 Commandments? If it doesn’t, then…according to YOUR CULTURE, he was not a sinner. We can agree to disagree. I think that universal truth is objective, and knows no religious divisions.
 
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whatevergirl:
Does Islamic law not support the 10 Commandments? If it doesn’t, then…according to YOUR CULTURE, he was not a sinner. We can agree to disagree. I think that universal truth is objective, and knows no religious divisions.
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Islam is a religion, it’s not a culture. Like I said, list the law he broke. If you claim someone broke a law in China, you have to show which law he broke according to Chinas laws. You can’t say he broke a law in China, and then show how it is illegal in America and you don’t show how it is illegal in China.
 
Since your religion supports what other faiths deem as sins, then you might think he didn’t sin. He was at the least, an adulterer. Adultery is a sin. If he dismissed it as though it isn’t, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a sin. Mohammed was a prophet, not God. I will have to review his life, to get a better picture of his behavior. But, if your faith teaches you to believe that it is ‘ok’ to sleep with many women at one time, for example, then you do not believe in objective truth. Islam has created its own truth…thus, the great debate. 😃
 
whatevergirl said:
Since your religion supports what other faiths deem as sins, then you might think he didn’t sin. He was at the least, an adulterer. Adultery is a sin. If he dismissed it as though it isn’t, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a sin. Mohammed was a prophet, not God. I will have to review his life, to get a better picture of his behavior. But, if your faith teaches you to believe that it is ‘ok’ to sleep with many women at one time, for example, then you do not believe in objective truth. Islam has created its own truth…thus, the great debate. 😃
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Not really, Polygamy is all over the Bible. Is there a verse in the Bible that prohibits it? Thus it’s not a new teaching, it’s also a common practice in many areas around the world.
 
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon’s son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

In Deuteronomy 21:15 “If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons…”
 
would you like your spouse to have other ones? or just be with you?
 
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Emad:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon’s son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

In Deuteronomy 21:15 “If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons…”
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This is OT. True, this existed. Also, there are laws–common laws to civilization, such as you can’t get married to more than 1 person in Florida, for example. So, if you did, you would be arrested. God told mankind that our laws govern us, but ultimately He does. Modern day society doesn’t support polygamy in the majority if the US.

I don’t feel that you want to really undertstand another person’s opinion…you just want to be right…about what, I’m not sure. LOL
Nice chatting, Emad. 😃
 
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whatevergirl:
would you like your spouse to have other ones? or just be with you?
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Islam is not about what I like and what I don’t like. It is about what God says. My personal opinion, whims and desires have nothing to do with it.
 
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whatevergirl:
This is OT. True, this existed. Also, there are laws–common laws to civilization, such as you can’t get married to more than 1 person in Florida, for example. So, if you did, you would be arrested. God told mankind that our laws govern us, but ultimately He does. Modern day society doesn’t support polygamy in the majority if the US.

I don’t feel that you want to really undertstand another person’s opinion…you just want to be right…about what, I’m not sure. LOL
Nice chatting, Emad. 😃
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Let us look at Matthew 25:1-13 from the NIV Bible:

Matthew 25

The Parable of the Ten Virgins
  1. "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
  2. Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
  3. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.
  4. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.
  5. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
  6. "At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
  7. "Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.
  8. The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
  9. " ‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
  10. "But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
  11. "Later the others also came. ‘Sir! Sir!’ they said. ‘Open the door for us!’
  12. "But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I don’t know you.’
  13. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
Isn’t Matthew from the NT?

Also I am not here to win a war of words. You said Muhammad is a sinner according to Islam’s definition of a sin, and I am waiting for you to show me which Islamic law he broke. I understand your opinion, but your opinion isn’t facts.
 
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whatevergirl:
So, God instructs Muslims to have several wives? LOL
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No He doesn’t instruct us, but it is allowed. He said one is best, but He allowed up to 4 and it has many conditions attached to it.
 
I never said according to Islam’s law…please read again. I said according to God’s law–the universal law. Objective truth. I didn’t say according to Islam. 😉

You completely misunderstand that reading. That was a reading discussed not too long ago in my parish, actually. I doubt the parishioners from my church walked away thinking that the message had to do with polygamy. The bridegroom he writes about is Jesus. He is always referred to as the bridegroom.

To debate is good…to sleep is Divine, and I must go now…but I’m sure I’ll see you around, soon. Thanks for the lively discussion…I’m always interested in learning other’s faiths…plz be open to understanding, too, Emad. :blessyou:
 
I never said according to Islam’s law…please read again. I said according to God’s law–the universal law. Objective truth. I didn’t say according to Islam.

In this quote here, I asked you to list a sin Muhammad committed according to Islam’s definition of a sin and you said you did:
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whatevergirl:
I don’t want you to reply to anything I posted above, as we are getting off topic. If you believe Muhammad did a sin according to Islam’s definition of a sin and not anyone elses, then* please list it. *

I did! LOL 😃
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. Thanks for the lively discussion…I’m always interested in learning other’s faiths…plz be open to understanding, too, Emad.

Great I am too, that is why I am here. I pray I didn’t offend you in anyway, that is not my intention. Someone made a claim against the Prophet peace be upon him and I was just asking for evidence, that’s all. I am sure if something like that was said about Jesus peace be upon him you would have done the same ( I would have too). I am sorry to keep you up and I am sure I gave you a headache :o Goodnight and thanks for your efforts and (name removed by moderator)ut.

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Aw…no offense taken. I wish there was one central religion though. I truly believe God doesn’t want all these factions, you know? It saddens me a little, but I will pray for that unity. Good night–and God bless! 🙂
 
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whatevergirl:
Aw…no offense taken. I wish there was one central religion though. I truly believe God doesn’t want all these factions, you know? It saddens me a little, but I will pray for that unity. Good night–and God bless! 🙂
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Yes me too, I pray it happens one day, but it can only happen through sincere studying and effort and few are willing to do that. I pray God guides me and you to what He loves and what is best. Everyone else too.

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Emad–a box popped up and I can’t open it…LOL Let me shut off my pop up blocker. LOL Hang on!
 
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