Was Muhammad a Prophet of the Judeo-Christian God ?

[Micosil]

**Back to the question at hand.
I believe that half of our question is answered by the precepts of Vatican II and by the subsequent statements of our Holy Popes, i.e. that the Muslims so indeed worship the “Judeo-Christian God.”

The second half of that question is about whether or not Muhammad actually had a commission from YHWH (or ALLAH, if you prefer) to bring a form of monotheism to the descendants of Ishmael.
About 2000 years prior to Muhammad, YHWH spoke to Moses face to face and gave him the Law. I see Muhammad as a sort of “Moses” sent to the tribes of Ishmael to bring them the Law.
But whereas YWYH spoke to Moses “face to face,” Muhammad had to make do with “the scraps fallen from the master’s table.”
As a result, mistakes were made, one of the most glaring of which is the Koran’s postulation that Jesus (Isa) did not suffer death by torture, someone else having taken His place.
This does not mean that Islam is not a religion for even the "scraps from the table’ have the power to nourish.

So my answer to the thread question is “yes,” Mohammad did receive a holy commission to bring monotheism to the tribes of Ishmael some 2000 year after Moses did that for the tribes of Israel.

It must also be noted that about 1800 years after the advent of the Jewish Messiah (Who’s Teaching applied to the whole world), we have the advent of the Muslim messiah who reforms the excesses of Islam (i.e. jihad prohibited)
and who also has a legitimate message for the whole world. **

**Blessed is the one who acknowledges our Creator and His wonders,
and who confesses that He is not to be questioned about what He does. **

You’ve addressed the question in a very interesting way. Here’s the way I see it, though – the Apostles obtained seeds from our Blessed Lord that were planted and grew and blossomed; whereas perhaps men like Mohammed received “scraps”, as you said.

Does that sound like a fair comparison?

 

[Servant19]

Was Muhammad a Prophet?

He claimed to be, along with a host of other self proclaimed prophets, apostles, messiahs, god-men, swamis, gurus, etc… a claim rejected based on the facts of his life and post-life.

If Muhammad, why not:

Ram Bahadur Bomjon
L. Ron Hubbard
George Baker
Jim Jones
Vernon Wayne Howell
Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda
Sun Myung Moon
Marshall Applewhite
Yisrayl Hawkins
David Berg
Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh
Moses Botarel of Cisneros
Jacob Joseph Frank
Simon Magus
Dositheos the Samaritan
Tanchelm of Antwerp
Ann Lee
Bernhard Müller
John Nichols Thom
Hong Xiuquan
Jacobina Mentz Maurer
William W. Davies
Cyrus Reed Teed
André Matsoua

and on and on and on and on…

Referring to Muhammad here, did any of those listed above change the course of history by bringing 1.6 billion potential pagans and polytheists towards a reverential monotheism?

Any of them above do anything like that?

Even Mirza Husayn Ali (Baha’u’llah) (6th on your list above) didn’t do that and I am a Baha’i !!

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[Techno2000]

You do realise that you’re just doing what the Baha’i posters are doing to you, don’t you?

You mean when one converts to Bahaism… they know what a Manifestation of God is ?

 

[Micosil]

Referring to Muhammad here, did any of those listed above change the course of history by bringing 1.6 billion potential pagans and polytheists towards a reverential monotheism?

Any of them above do anything like that?

Even Mirza Husayn Ali (Baha’u’llah) (6th on your list above) didn’t do that and I am a Baha’i !!

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Then why aren’t you a Muslim?

 

[Servant19]

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Scraps…

Dear Lord, forgive them for they do not know what they do…

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[Servant19]

Then why aren’t you a Muslim?

I am.

I’m defending Muhammad more than the Muslims are here.

I would happily be the only defender of Jesus too, all alone, I will withstand all opposition against God and His Messengers.

There is no better Muslim or a Christian or a Jew than a Baha’i.
I honestly believe Bahais revere Them as much as, if not more than their own adherents…

I will sit here till dawn and armed with the power of the Holy Spirit defend Muhammad till I die

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[JimmyDFG]

I am.

I’m defending Muhammad more than the Muslims are here.

I would happily be the only defender of Jesus too, all alone, I will withstand all opposition against God and His Messengers.

There is no better Muslim or a Christian or a Jew than a Baha’i.
I honestly believe Bahais revere Them as much as, if not more than their own adherents…

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You claim to be a muslim and a bahai

 

[Micosil]

I am.

I’m defending Muhammad more than the Muslims are here.

I would happily be the only defender of Jesus too, all alone, I will withstand all opposition against God and His Messengers.

There is no better Muslim or a Christian or a Jew than a Baha’i.
I honestly believe Bahais revere Them as much as, if not more than their own adherents…

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That is a noble sentiment, but I’m not quite sure Baha’is are considered orthodox Muslims by mainstream Islam.

 

[Ontheway]

**Back to the question at hand.
I believe that half of our question is answered by the precepts of Vatican II and by the subsequent statements of our Holy Popes, i.e. that the Muslims so indeed worship the “Judeo-Christian God.”

It must also be noted that about 1800 years after the advent of the Jewish Messiah (Who’s Teaching applied to the whole world), we have the advent of the Muslim messiah who reforms the excesses of Islam (i.e. jihad prohibited)
and who also has a legitimate message for the whole world. **

**Blessed is the one who acknowledges our Creator and His wonders,
and who confesses that He is not to be questioned about what He does. **

Not sure what you mean about the 1800 year reference.

 

[Servant19]

You claim to be a muslim and a bahai

You can call me what you like but I worship the Divine in Muhammad.

I see the Divine in Muhammad.

I will defend Muhammad and what glorious spiritual progress and gifts He gave humanity until I no longer have fingers to type.

Where are the Muslims? The Bahais will do it for them, and we will do it for Jesus too!!

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[Servant19]

Not sure what you mean about the 1800 year reference.

He means the Bahais…

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[Servant19]

That is a noble sentiment, but I’m not quite sure Baha’is are considered orthodox Muslims by mainstream Islam.

I don’t care what anyone thinks Micosil.

Look at the deeds…

Where are the Muslims to defend Muhammad?

Every single Islamic thread defaming Muhammad here at CAF is dominated by Bahais striving day in day out to remove misunderstanding about Prophet Muhammad.

And we won’t stop. Never ever ever.

And we do it for Jesus too.

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[Micosil]

You can call me what you like but I worship the Divine in Muhammad.

I see the Divine in Muhammad.

I will defend Muhammad and what glorious spiritual progress and gifts He gave humanity until I no longer have fingers to type.

Where are the Muslims? The Bahais will do it for them, and we will do it for Jesus too!!

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I understand that, but what we’re saying is that the word “Muslim” specifically means an adherent of the Islamic faith. To be specific, the shahada converts typically recite is

لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muḥammadur-rasūlu-llāh
There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Please explain to me where that mentions Báb or Bahá’u’lláh?

 

[SyroMalankara]

Referring to Muhammad here, did any of those listed above change the course of history by bringing 1.6 billion potential pagans and polytheists towards a reverential monotheism?

Did he actually do this or is this reading back into history with today’s prejudice - both positive and negative?
It seems to me Muhammad didn’t even convert his immediate comrades, except under a monarchical leadership. As soon as he died, the quest for who’s going to be the head started. That isn’t any indication of religious unity or even piety, just quest for power and wealth.

 

[Servant19]

I understand that, but what we’re saying is that the word “Muslim” specifically means an adherent of the Islamic faith. To be specific, the shahada converts typically recite is

Please explain to me where that mentions Báb or Bahá’u’lláh?

When the shahada was revealed Muhammad IS the Messenger of God.

The Baha’i Faith recognises fully that Muhammad is a Messenger of God.

This unites us with Muslims, even if my relatives in Iran are currently being persecuted by “so called” Muslims…

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[Memaw]

Judaism doesn’t claim exclusivity over God, it claims to have a specific ‘contract’ with God. What arrangements God makes with others is entirely up to God.

I believe the Catholic understanding of “Judaeo-Christian”, is belief in both Old and New Testament as the Author of both is the One God. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Adonia]

No. He dismisses Jesus Christ as an ordinary prophet, with himself as the final prophet. So I would say he is most likely Satan’s prophet.

 

[Servant19]

Did he actually do this or is this reading back into history with today’s prejudice - both positive and negative?
It seems to me Muhammad didn’t even convert his immediate comrades, except under a monarchical leadership. As soon as he died, the quest for who’s going to be the head started. That isn’t any indication of religious unity or even piety, just quest for power and wealth.

Heresies did indeed begin. Savage undermining of the authoritative leadership did also begin.

But the undertone to it all was monotheism.

The disunity is still there but they are united in monotheism.

A dominant polytheism 1400 years ago has now been replaced with a disciplined worship of the one true God.

Religious disunity, lack of piety and quest for power existed in Christianity too don’t forget…

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[Micosil]

When the shahada was revealed Muhammad IS the Messenger of God.

The Baha’i Faith recognises fully that Muhammad is a Messenger of God.

This unites us with Muslims, even if my relatives in Iran are currently being persecuted by “so called” Muslims…

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I think what the shahada addresses is how public revelation in Islam ended with Mohammed; much like how in Christianity it is considered that public revelation ended when the last Apostle (who most scholars think is John) died. If that is the case, it would suggest that for adherents of Islam, whatever anyone after Mohammed may claim is pointless.

 

[Adonia]

You mean when one converts to Bahaism… they know what a Manifestation of God is ?

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