Was Muhammad a Prophet of the Judeo-Christian God ?

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TonyBS said:
Both messages were rejected by the Divines of the age, thus they deprived mankind of a better destiny. Scripture tells of the error of the Divines throughout history.

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The error here is depending on Thorton Chase. who condescended Jesus.

MJ
 
TonyBS said:
Jimmy the Muslim calendar dates from the Hijrah, the event in 622 A.D. when Muhammad fled persecution in Mecca to a safe haven in Medina.

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Since when does the islamic calendar have anything to do when the book of revelation? So the one who gave the book of Revelation was speaking terms of islamic dates and years?
 
TonyBS said:
No faith is dependant on Thornton Chase. Nil Zero - It can be inspired by him to a certain degree.

This link will give readers the chance to make up their own mind with that accusation.

bahai-encyclopedia-project.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46:chase-thornton-18471912&catid=37:biography

Link to His books I think are included.

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Insulated within . No thanks. Trying to ask someone to change their mind is akin to proselytizing.

Thorton Chase really didn’t understand Jesus. And why Jesus came.

MJ
 
JimmyDFG said:
Since when does the islamic calendar have anything to do when the book of revelation? So the one who gave the book of Revelation was speaking terms of islamic dates and years?
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This is for you to research. I have drawn my conclusions from what I have studied.

God bless and regards Tony
 
MartinJordan said:
Insulated within . No thanks. Trying to ask someone to change their mind is akin to proselytizing.

Thorton Chase really didn’t understand Jesus. And why Jesus came.

MJ
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Dear Martin no one asks you to change your mind and please feel free to never read any of our replies.

I will help if you wish by never answering a question you have asked. If you do ask please expect a reply from the Baha’i view point.

God bless you with much Love in Jesus always.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
This is for you to research. I have drawn my conclusions from what I have studied.

God bless and regards Tony
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Well Tony, My conclusion is that its irrelevant …along with the two witness in Revelation trying to tie in muhammad, bab and mírza husayn alí nurí. Islam and bahai have no ties to the Old or New Testaments.
Muhammad perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be. seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity.
 
TonyBS said:
Dear Martin no one asks you to change your mind and please feel free to never read any of our replies.

I will help if you wish by never answering a question you have asked. If you do ask please expect a reply from the Baha’i view point.

God bless you with much Love in Jesus always.

Regards Tony
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I love Jesus. That’s why I don’t give up defending him. He alone showed us the Father. :highprayer:

Even he told his own disciples : Have I been so long a time with you, and have you not known Me? Philip, he that seeth Me seeth the Father also…. Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?” (John 14:9,10).

His own people have to persuaded to see it. How much more who were not there?

MJ
 
Tomdstone said:
I thought that some Roman Catholics believed in the revelations at Fatima?
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Catechism of the Catholic Church:

There will be no further Revelation

66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant for ever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.

28 Dei Verbum 4; cf. 1 Tim 6:14; Titus 2:13.

Dei Verbum 4:
  1. Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, “now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son” (Heb. 1:1-2). For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18). Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as “a man to men.” (3) He “speaks the words of God” (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; Divine Revelation 17:4). To see Jesus is to see His Father (John 14:9). For this reason Jesus perfected revelation by fulfilling it through his whole work of making Himself present and manifesting Himself: through His words and deeds, His signs and wonders, but especially through His death and glorious resurrection from the dead and final sending of the Spirit of truth. Moreover He confirmed with divine testimony what revelation proclaimed, that God is with us to free us from the darkness of sin and death, and to raise us up to life eternal.
The Christian dispensation, therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass away and we now await no further new public revelation before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ (see 1 Tim. 6:14 and Tit. 2:13).
 
Techno2000 said:
If they are praying to our God, why do they have to face towards Mecca ?
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And likewise, reflect upon the revealed verse concerning the “Qiblih.” When Muḥammad, the Sun of Prophethood, had fled from the dayspring of Bathá unto Yathrib, 10 He continued to turn His face, while praying, unto Jerusalem, the holy city, until the time when the Jews began to utter unseemly words against Him—words which if mentioned would ill befit these pages and would weary the reader. Muḥammad strongly resented these words. Whilst, wrapt in meditation and wonder, He was gazing toward heaven, He heard the kindly Voice of Gabriel, saying: “We behold Thee from above, turning Thy face to heaven; but We will have Thee turn to a Qiblih which shall please Thee.” On a subsequent day, when the Prophet, together with His companions, was offering the noontide prayer, and had already performed two of the prescribed Rik’áts, the Voice of Gabriel was heard again: “Turn Thou Thy face towards the sacred Mosque.” (Mecca) In the midst of that same prayer, Muḥammad suddenly turned His face away from Jerusalem and faced the Ka‘bih. Whereupon, a profound dismay seized suddenly the companions of the Prophet. Their faith was shaken severely. So great was their alarm, that many of them, discontinuing their prayer, apostatized their faith. Verily, God caused not this turmoil but to test and prove His servants. Otherwise, He, the ideal King, could easily have left the Qiblih unchanged, and could have caused Jerusalem to remain the Point of Adoration unto His Dispensation, thereby withholding not from that holy city the distinction of acceptance which had been conferred upon it.*
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reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KI/ki-2.html.utf8?query=qiblih&action=highlight#fr15
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Techno2000 said:
At what point in time in History did Islam go off the tracks ?
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There is no specific “moment” Techno. It’s not March 23 1452, at 5.39pm, Islam went off tracks.

It is a slow and gradual process from one generation to another, slowly slowly.

The same has happened to Christianity, and it is always the clergy that have led the Church astray:

From Pope Adrian VI’s Address to the Diet of Nurenberg, 3 January, 1523:
“we frankly acknowledge that God permits this persecution of His Church on account of the sins of men, and especially of prelates and clergy; of a surety the Lord’s arm is not shortened that He cannot save us, but our sins separate us from Him, so that He does not hear. Holy Scripture declares aloud that the sins of the people are the outcome of the sins of the priesthood; therefore, as Chrysostom declares, when our Savior wished to cleanse the city of Jerusalem of its sickness, He went first to the Temple to punish the sins of the priests before those of others, like a good physician who heals a disease at it roots. We know well that for many years things deserving of abhorrence have gathered round the Holy See; sacred things have been misused, ordinances transgressed, so that in everything there has been change for the worse. Thus it is not surprising that the malady has crept down from the head to the members, from the Popes to the hierarchy.
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We all, prelates and clergy, have gone astray from the right way, and for long there is none that has done good; no, not one.
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Servant19 said:
There is no specific “moment” Techno. It’s not March 23 1452, at 5.39pm, Islam went off tracks.

It is a slow and gradual process from one generation to another, slowly slowly.

The same has happened to Christianity, and it is always the clergy that have led the Church astray:

From Pope Adrian VI’s Address to the Diet of Nurenberg, 3 January, 1523:

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God allows his people to be punished, but he doesn’t abandon them like he has in Bahai. While many clergy have lead people astray, many more clergy have held the Church together by being faithful to the deposit.
 
SyroMalankara said:
No it isn’t. Monotheistic Hindus, theistic Buddhists, Jains all do this.
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Which is why we recognize Krishna and Buddha as Messengers of God too! 🙂
Until the relative recent past, religions very much arose restricted to relatively small geographic areas. In the ARABIAN regions, this sort of monotheism was indeed unheard of and very much a unique culture that developed solely due to Prophet Muhammad.
Placebo effect? Benny Hinn has mastered this among his sect.
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I don’t think there is any placebo effect that has resulted in a lifetime of spiritual dedication to one God and the fruits of the Spirit that comes with it.

Can you name me one?

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