Was Muhammad a Prophet of the Judeo-Christian God ?

[jakasaki]

Jimmy the Muslim calendar dates from the Hijrah, the event in 622 A.D. when Muhammad fled persecution in Mecca to a safe haven in Medina.

Regards Tony

In 622 the name Medina did not exist.

It was called Yathrib - controlled by Jewish clans.

As Mohammad got powerful, he and the Jews of Yathrib went back and forth with battles… etc…

It was only that time as Mohammad and his followers conquered Yathrib, it was renamed by him to Medina.

 

[JimmyDFG]

There is no specific “moment” Techno. It’s not March 23 1452, at 5.39pm, Islam went off tracks.

It is a slow and gradual process from one generation to another, slowly slowly.

The same has happened to Christianity, and it is always the clergy that have led the Church astray:

From Pope Adrian VI’s Address to the Diet of Nurenberg, 3 January, 1523:

We can see the division happening immediately after the dead of muhammad. The rapid expansion of islam happen with the muslim conquest being spread by the sword. IF it was a true “religion” would there be so much carnage after the passing of its “prophet”?

 

[JimmyDFG]

Hi memaw

How do I know that for sure? The Orthodox tell me the same thing.
Lutherans tell me all the problems with Catholicism and its demise.
Protestants are all over the place, I can’t keep up with the “true church”…

There is every reason to examine Muhammad’s claim that Christianity has fallen and He has come to raise it up again.

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I continue to see you trying to dismantle Christianity. Is there a reason for this Servant?

 

[Servant19]

We can see the division happening immediately after the dead of muhammad. The rapid expansion of islam happen with the muslim conquest being spread by the sword. IF it was a true “religion” would there be so much carnage after the passing of its “prophet”?

You will find that Shiah Islam was the more peaceful sect, and indeed, as affirmed by Baha’u’llah, the true authoritative lineage of Islam.

It’s because of its original peacefulness that Shiah Islam exists predominantly in Iran only.

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[JimmyDFG]

You will find that Shiah Islam was the more peaceful sect, and indeed, as affirmed by Baha’u’llah, the true authoritative lineage of Islam.

It’s because of its original peacefulness that Shiah Islam exists predominantly in Iran only.

Iran continues its death chant to America and the destruction of Israel.
“peacefulness” you say?

 

[Servant19]

I continue to see you trying to dismantle Christianity. Is there a reason for this Servant?

Are my observations incorrect Jimmy?

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[JimmyDFG]

Hi memaw

How do I know that for sure? The Orthodox tell me the same thing.
Lutherans tell me all the problems with Catholicism and its demise.
Protestants are all over the place, I can’t keep up with the “true church”…

There is every reason to examine Muhammad’s claim that Christianity has fallen and He has come to raise it up again.

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John 15:5
“I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.”

Don’t you know the New Testament Servant?

 

[Servant19]

Iran continues its death chant to America and the destruction of Israel.
“peacefulness” you say?

There’s a reason God sends new Messengers.

How was Judaism doing when Jesus came?

All religions have their birth, their golden age, their demise, their renaissance, and their fall.

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[Servant19]

John 15:5
“I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.”

Don’t you know the New Testament Servant?

Yes and the fruits have been wonderful and praiseworthy. I will be the first to praise Christian fruits.

At some point though, we need to re-unite as a collective human family of God.
This is the fruits we need today. The need is as evident as the noonday sun

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[JimmyDFG]

Are my observations incorrect Jimmy?

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You reply to a question by asking a question. Typical

 

[Servant19]

You reply to a question by asking a question. Typical

Well the answer is that it is not me dismantling Christianity.

The world has watched plenty of dismantling done by Christisnity itself.

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[JimmyDFG]

Yes and the fruits have been wonderful and praiseworthy. I will be the first to praise Christian fruits.

At some point though, we need to re-unite as a collective human family of God.
This is the fruits we need today. The need is as evident as the noonday sun

Servant, You truly don’t understand Christianity.

What Jesus did through His perfect earthly existence, sacrificial death, and glorious resurrection fully completed the work the Father had given Him to do. Not only did He complete His salvific work but also His accomplishment is fully efficacious today and will be forevermore. There is nothing more to add–nothing more to be done by God, man, or religious institutions. The undeniable, factual, historic, and eternal work of Jesus Christ has been completed–is complete–and will forever remain completed. “IT . . . IS . . . FINISHED!”

Also Jesus has said " My words will not pass away"

 

[JimmyDFG]

You will find that Shiah Islam was the more peaceful sect, and indeed, as affirmed by Baha’u’llah, the true authoritative lineage of Islam.

How do we know that for sure? Sunnis will say that shias are not true muslims.

 

[Tomdstone]

How do we know that for sure? Sunnis will say that shias are not true muslims.

I guess we have to take the word of Baha’u’llah?

 

[TonyBS]

I still haven’t been shown the connection of Muhammad and Revelation 11

Faith on a platter is weak, effort is needed.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

How do we know that for sure? Sunnis will say that shias are not true muslims.

Much like asking a question like this;

How do we know that the Catholic Church is the one that has All Truth, Most of all the others say it is not.

I would suggest the way we would know would have the interest to find out.

A Baha’i has evidence that the Catholic Church is thebrightful succesor, The same source has shown me Shia is the rightful successor of Muhammad. There has also been posted other proofs about this on this Forum in conversation.

Regards Tony

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Imagine you are a God.

You have a Creation, you have humans within this creation which are made in your image. You bestow upon human beings free will.
You place within them something sacred which is a treasure which belongs to you (God)
You clothe them with flesh and surround them in the beginning with desires attractive to this flesh.
The aim is to guide them away from fleshy desires so that the treasure you have placed within them is returned to you, not tainted by fleshy dross but removed from it, and therefore of the highest lustre.

Initially, as populations are isolated you teach them about this treasure within them according to geography. You teach the nations around Israel through the Prophets of Israel and the Messiah. You teach the oriental and Indian regions through Krishna and Buddha. You teach the completely isolated indigenous populations of Africa, South America, Australia and the Americas through indigenous spirituality and their Prophets.

At some point each of these separate stories from separate geographies, reaching guiding their own populations towards the gifting of this treasure back to our one Creator, need to come together.

All the different stories which have the same conclusion need to become one big story and collectively we can all observe that:

“From Thee we came, and unto Thee shall we return”

And the story will not end until we don’t see separations between the Kingdoms of God, so there shall not be a separation between the Kingdom of earth and heaven and on earth it shall be as it is in heaven.

That is the story so far.

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I don’t deny freewill and God has certainty taken that into account. He knew Israel would constantly sin, he knew his Church would be composed of sinners. But what he does not do is abandon the community he has established. Do you dissagree that with the advent of Islam, which sets itself up against Christianity, that God has abandoned Christians? I don’t think you can disagree with that idea.

 

[TonyBS]

I don’t deny freewill and God has certainty taken that into account. He knew Israel would constantly sin, he knew his Church would be composed of sinners. But what he does not do is abandon the community he has established. Do you dissagree that with the advent of Islam, which sets itself up against Christianity, that God has abandoned Christians? I don’t think you can disagree with that idea.

I do not see it that way.

God gave Muhammad to the most barbaric part of the world of the time to bring them back to God. At the same time it gave guidance to Christianity that it was straying from the intent of Gods Word.

In no way is Islam against Christianity, that has been adequately shown in many other posts.

If Christianity had embraced Muhammad the Love of Christ would have not been Lost, it would have born the Fruits of its existance. The world would be a different place.

But it was not to be the Bible has already told us we stray from the parth.

The future is still ours, will we embrace God as a united Humanity, or will we be disunited to our own demise.

Regards Tony

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

I do not see it that way.

God gave Muhammad to the most barbaric part of the world of the time to bring them back to God. At the same time it gave guidance to Christianity that it was straying from the intent of Gods Word.

In no way is Islam against Christianity, that has been adequately shown in many other posts.

If Christianity had embraced Muhammad the Love of Christ would have not been Lost, it would have born the Fruits of its existance. The world would be a different place.

But it was not to be the Bible has already told us we stray from the parth.

The future is still ours, will we embrace God as a united Humanity, or will we be disunited to our own demise.

Regards Tony

In no way Islam is against Christianity? I think you ought read the Quran where we are called the worst of all creatures, guilty of shirk and the traditions of the prophecies of Muhammad telling the Muslims that they would conquer Rome.

Christianity couldn’t embrace Islam because from the begining Islam showed itself for what it is, a warrior religion. They conquered Christian lands, enslaved or killed those who did not convert, forcing Christians to pay the Jizya with willing submission and be humiliated.

But how does any of what you said just then deny my central premise that God abandoned Christendom? You are saying the world would have been better if we became Muslims, became theocratic Islamic states (which are just beacons of human hope and enlightenment today)? If that’s the case God did abandon Christianity and started a new family in Islam. That’s why Muslims were so set on conquering the Christian west. They started with the Christian East mind you.

 

[Peter_Plato]

I do not see it that way.

God gave Muhammad to the most barbaric part of the world of the time to bring them back to God. At the same time it gave guidance to Christianity that it was straying from the intent of Gods Word.

In no way is Islam against Christianity, that has been adequately shown in many other posts.

If Christianity had embraced Muhammad the Love of Christ would have not been Lost, it would have born the Fruits of its existance. The world would be a different place.

Yes, we can see the kind of place the world would be when we look at the Middle East where the majority of the population has “embraced Muhammad.” I suppose it is the fault of the minority Christians there who choose not to be raped, beheaded or sold as slaves that the “Fruits of its existance [sic]” are so destructive and disconcerting.

Speaking of “barbaric parts of the world,” I would think that God’s gift to Muhammad should have born more fruits of peace over the last 1300 years that Muhammad has controlled that part of the world. Perhaps, he has has enough opportunity to show his stuff, rather than being permitted to export it to formerly peaceful places such as Belgium. I don’t see how you can possibly write what you do without severe pangs of conscience.