Was the Noah flood real ? Did Noah put all living things in his boat?

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buffalo said:
Gen 1 is written from God’s perspective and tells the order of creation. The second tells the importance of man in His creation.
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And when they conflict in the details? How do you defend a harmonization then…?
 
Gorgias said:
And when they conflict in the details? How do you defend a harmonization then …?
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Four people stand on 4 different corners and an accident happens. They all agree on the fact an accident happened, the details may vary as each has a unique perspective.
 
buffalo said:
Four people stand on 4 different corners and an accident happens. They all agree on the fact an accident happened, the details may vary as each has a unique perspective.
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So… which of the inspired writers of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 got the details wrong? 🤔
 
Gorgias said:
So… which of the inspired writers of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 got the details wrong? 🤔
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Details may vary and still be correct. For example, one side of the car has a dent that only one can see. The others do not report the dent. When the accident happened one reports that the 2nd car veered toward him, another reported the car veered away from him.
 
buffalo said:
Details may vary and still be correct. For example, one side of the car has a dent that only one can see. The others do not report the dent.
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Genesis 1 reports that God created vegetation, and then animals, and then humans. Genesis 2 reports that God created vegetation and Adam, and only then animals.

Can both of these simultaneously be correct? C’mon, man… just admit that a harmonization isn’t possible and be done with it… 😉
 
I think it’s metaphorical. One thing I like about the Catholic church is that you don’t have to believe in a literal translation of the bible.
 
From the Catechism (bolding is mine):

472 This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man”,101 and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience.102 This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking “the form of a slave”.103

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm

Edit: To be clear, I don’t think one has to believe that Jesus was mistaken about Noah to believe that the story of Noah is not literal.
 
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But @buffalo was commenting on the Flood. If Jesus is God, and God brought the Flood upon sinners, then Jesus would know of the historical reality of the Flood. So that is not human knowledge, but divine knowledge.
 
Tolle_Lege said:
But @buffalo was commenting on the Flood. If Jesus is God, and God brought the Flood upon sinners, then Jesus would know of the historical reality of the Flood. So that is not human knowledge, but divine knowledge.
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I do not see that at all. Either way, Jesus’ reference to Noah says nothing about the historical nature of the Flood narrative, in my opinion.
 
TMC said:
I do not see that at all. Either way, Jesus’ reference to Noah says nothing about the historical nature of the Flood narrative, in my opinion.
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So when Jesus said “if you do not believe Moses” - He meant except the flood story?
 
Let us be aware that the flood narrative is not unique to the middle east, it is in cultures which had no contact with that area, even ancient Americas.
 
buffalo said:
So when Jesus said “if you do not believe Moses” - He meant except the flood story?
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First, you are cherry picking that quote entirely out of context. Second, Moses did not write the flood story.
 
TMC said:
First, you are cherry picking that quote entirely out of context. Second, Moses did not write the flood story.
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No he did not. He compiled the Pentateuch from tablets he had in his possession.
 
buffalo said:
No he did not. He compiled the Pentateuch from tablets he had in his possession.
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You are free to believe that, but I don’t, and the Church does not teach that Moses wrote Genesis.

And even if he did, that would not preclude a figurative meaning to the flood story - nor would it mean that Jesus believed that the flood story was literal.
 
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