However you want to phrase it, I do not believe the Moses was the compiler or author of Genesis, and I do not believe the Church teaches that. Of course, if Moses merely compiled Genesis from pre-existing stories, he would not necessarily know the historical accuracy of the flood account, either.I said he compiled it from pre-existing sources.
This probably isn’t what you are looking for, but this is from the US Council of Catholic Bishop’s website:This is not what I asked for. I asked for a Church document that explicitly allows you to deny the clear, obvious teaching that has been universally held by the Church for 21 centuries.
The Church does not require us to believe there was a global flood. What do you know that the Church doesn’t?So when Jesus said “if you do not believe Moses” - He meant except the flood story?
Produce the magisterial document that backs your claim.The Church does not require us to believe there was a global flood. What do you know that the Church doesn’t?
You will simply declare that any document that is produced is not binding on you. Which is technically true, the Church allows some types of fundamentalist beliefs. But you also cannot show that the Church requires what you claim, because it does not.Produce the magisterial document that backs your claim.
That is just plain silly.Produce the magisterial document that backs your claim.
Where or when did Peter make this prediction? And since when did either of those things become the Pillar of Truth. I thought the Church was the Pillar of Truth for Catholics, and the Church teaches neither of those things.St. Peter predicted this would happen: a denial of two pillars of Truth—the fiat creation of all things in the beginning of time and the Global Flood in the days of Noah.
Then he inveighs against the false teachers and condemns their life and doctrines: (a) They shall undergo Divine chastisement, in proof of which the Apostle recalls the punishment inflicted on the rebel angels, on the contemporaries of Noah, on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah (ii, 1-11). (b) He describes the immoral life of the false teachers, their impurity and sensuality, their avarice and duplicity (12-22). (c) He refutes their doctrine, showing that they are wrong in rejecting the second coming of Christ and the end of the world (iii, 1-4), for the Judge shall certainly come and that unexpectedly; even as the ancient world perished by the waters of the flood so the present world shall perish by fire and be replaced by a new world (5-7). Then follows the moral conclusion: let us live holily, if we desire to be ready for the coming of the Judge (8-13); let us employ the time given us to work out our salvation, even as Paul taught in his Epistles which the false teachers abuse (14-17). Verse 18 consists of the epilogue and doxology.Where or when did Peter make this prediction? And since when did either of those things become the Pillar of Truth. I thought the Church was the Pillar of Truth for Catholics, and the Church teaches neither of those things.
No. I am stating the constantly held position of the church. I see no one that has produced anything that overturns it and states for most of Catholicism’s history we got it wrong and only now the Holy Spirit awoke from its slumber to set the record straight.it is up to you to quote where the Magisterium teaches differently.
Jesus could have very well been using figurative accounts from the OT to demonstrate his point. His use of the passage doesn’t mean he gave scientific and historic credence to the account.You are correct. Jesus mentioned Noah and the flood so both are true. The debate is whether the flood was a regional or global event.
To be very clear - you are not stating the constantly held position of the Church. The Church does not teach a fundamentalist, historical literal interpretation of Scripture. I understand that is your belief, and it has been the belief of many through history. But it is not the teaching of the Church - and I hope that any who visit here to learn about the Faith will not be misled to believe differently.No. I am stating the constantly held position of the church. I see no one that has produced anything that overturns it and states for most of Catholicism’s history we got it wrong and only now the Holy Spirit awoke from its slumber to set the record straight.
Uh, yes. Don’t pull the fundamentalist crap.To be very clear - you are not stating the constantly held position of the Church.
Believe what you want, but please don’t mislead those here to learn about what the Church teaches. The Church does not require a belief in a six day Creation or a Global Flood. Both are associated with Fundamentalism - neither is part of Catholic teaching.Uh, yes. Don’t pull the fundamentalist crap.
The Church Fathers all taught the flood. Only after uniformatarianism did it lose favor. (scoffers)
Once again the church believed what you call fundamentalism, so why did it change and when. Why didn’t the Holy Spirit protect from these errors?associated with Fundamentalism