Washington Post Fact Checker Gives Catholic '98%' Birth Control Stat 'Two Pinocchios'
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Nimzovik
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Now if CNN 
and MSNBC would only tell* this* truth… I will not hold my breath.
and MSNBC would only tell* this* truth… I will not hold my breath.
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Jim_Dandy
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Oh, only 68% of Catholic women use “effective methods” such as sterilization, IUDs, or The Pill. Two of those methods kill babies. Sterilization is self-mutiliation for the purpose of enabling sex on demand and assures there will be no babies to kill, ever. That’s a statistic to be proud of (yeah, sure). No Pinnochios!
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SamH
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So you don’t have an issue with the MM and the high levels of congress lying to you?
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TMC
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I have actually seen several news outlets explain that the 98% figure is misleading. I read that even the author of the study says that his study does not say that. The real fact revealed by the study is that Catholic women use birth control at about the same rate as non-Catholic women.Now if CNN
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Rand_Al_Thor
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I think it’s funny how adamant people are about using ABC. All of our couple friends who use ABC have had unplanned pregnancies while using it. ALL OF THEM.
My wife and I use only NFP and we had a child exactly when we planned on it. Same with our friends who use NFP. Of course, their’s took a little longer, but they didn’t have a surprise pregnancy come up before.
My wife and I use only NFP and we had a child exactly when we planned on it. Same with our friends who use NFP. Of course, their’s took a little longer, but they didn’t have a surprise pregnancy come up before.
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Brendan
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And that study includes hyterectomies as ‘sterilization’. So my SIL, who had uterine cancer and a subsequent hysterectomy, is now considered to be on birth control…
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Nec5
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I don’t trust most of these “fact checkers”. Every time I check out Snopes or the WP to see if they’re assessment of facts is correct, I leave in disagreement.
And I don’t know what the number is for Catholics using contraception. I’m pretty sure it’s more than 50%, which makes it sadly the norm.
And I don’t know what the number is for Catholics using contraception. I’m pretty sure it’s more than 50%, which makes it sadly the norm.
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PaulinVA
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But, the fact is that the figure, no matter what it is, doesn’t matter.
The government can not tell us that one doctrine or another is not protected because only X% of our members agree with it.
The government can not tell us that one doctrine or another is not protected because only X% of our members agree with it.
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manualman
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It’s not even a useful number to tell how many catholics mentally subscribe to church teaching.
I bet if we took a poll 99.9% of catholics have told a lie at some time in their lives. But there is a gaping chasm between that and the claim that 99.9% of catholics dissent from church teaching on the subject of telling lies.
The figures are bad and catholics are indeed ignorant and apathetic. But I don’t believe that the numbers of the DEFIANT are as high as these pundits would like us to believe. We’ll know in November, won’t we?
I bet if we took a poll 99.9% of catholics have told a lie at some time in their lives. But there is a gaping chasm between that and the claim that 99.9% of catholics dissent from church teaching on the subject of telling lies.
The figures are bad and catholics are indeed ignorant and apathetic. But I don’t believe that the numbers of the DEFIANT are as high as these pundits would like us to believe. We’ll know in November, won’t we?
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Dale_M
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The figure seems be right around 22% of Catholics who agree with Church teachings regarding contraception. It is a figure which has been roughly stable for the past decade.
i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/02/16/rel2g.pdf
22% also seems to be how many Catholics attend Mass on a weekly basis.
cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/FRStats/massattendweek.pdf
I guess the congruence of those two numbers make sense. If someone takes seriously the requirement to attend Sunday Mass every week, it seems reasonable that they would also take seriously the teachings regarding contraception. And vice versa.
h/t GetReligion.org
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domandcarols
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Wow! 22% is pathetic.
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manualman
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Yes and no. It IS pathetic on objective standards that so many people have casually discarded their catholic faith. But humans have been pathetic since the fall, God isn’t particularly surprised. And I can’t speak for you, but I’m still pathetic in a lot of ways too in spite of trying to conform myself to the will of God all these years.Wow! 22% is pathetic.
What catholicism does is create both a spiritual and cultural identity in its people. Unlike the purely spiritual identity featured at many non-denominational communities, the catholic identity seems to be sticky long after its spiritual component is rejected. You can look at this as bad, or see it as an opportunity to win them back. You choose.
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mini_me640
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I know LOTS of weekly Mass attendees who use ABC or have been sterilized. I actually only know personally one couple who does not, and they used to. Even most weekly Mass attendees do not adhere to this teaching I’m afraid.
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Nec5
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Sure it can. It can tell you that men can marry men. It can tell you that it will take money from the young at gunpoint and give that money to the old. It tells you it’s okay to murder the unborn; it even takes money from you at gunpoint to spend on murdering the unborn.
And now it’s telling you that you will spend your money on contraception either for yourself or others.
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Jim_Dandy
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Yes, I do have a problem with that. I have an even greater problem with women who claim to be Catholic but thumb their noses at Church teaching. Priests remain largely silent on the issue. Lamentably, good catechesis is lacking in all areas of Catholicism.
We cohabit at the same rate as the rest of the culture.
We have children out of wedlock at the same rate as the rest of the culture.
We contracept at the same rate as the rest of the culture.
We procure abortions at the same rate as the rest of the culture.
We divorce at the same rate as the rest of the culture.
Our Faith no longer makes us different.
The Faith hasn’t changed – but we have.
We have fallen into the culture trap.
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CuriousInIL
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In a poll that I took of Catholic non-sinners, none reported using ABC.
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white_sheep
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All of my friends who use ABC got pregnant with every single one of their children while on ABC. One couple has 4 kids, so far, at 35.
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