"We can't take this anymore", Holy Redeemer Parishoners want Rome to clean up the Church

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Elzee said:
On the contrary, I personally think Satan would be happier if we weren’t angry because it would mean there is now total complacency - probably one of his final objectives. I can hear the plan now: *“I’ll continually beat them down until they get tired of being angry and tired of fighting for the true Church and the Lord and tired of their wayward leaders doing nothing out of fear. Eventually they’ll be quiet and give up”. *

THAT is what Satan wants - acceptable sacrilege and blasphemy, not justifiable outrage.

May God gives us all the stamina to never give up.
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The fact is, this is one parish with this problem, thousands of miles away. At my own parish, there must be hundreds of people receiving communion who are in a state of objective mortal sin. But they’re in normal, heterosexual mortal sin, like living together before marriage, which is why no one cares. It all seems hypocritical to me. Yes, I find cross-dressers and effeminate men or blatantly gay men disturbing, and they’re easy targets. Sure, it’s fun to have someone to put down to make myself seem so much holier. The fact is, you don’t have to go to San Francisco to find people who make a mockery of Jesus’ teachings, you can probably find them in your own parish, and even in ourselves if we try.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
The fact is, this is one parish with this problem, thousands of miles away. At my own parish, there must be hundreds of people receiving communion who are in a state of objective mortal sin. But they’re in normal, heterosexual mortal sin, like living together before marriage, which is why no one cares. It all seems hypocritical to me. Yes, I find cross-dressers and effeminate men or blatantly gay men disturbing, and they’re easy targets. Sure, it’s fun to have someone to put down to make myself seem so much holier. The fact is, you don’t have to go to San Francisco to find people who make a mockery of Jesus’ teachings, you can probably find them in your own parish, and even in ourselves if we try.
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The difference, of course, is that in San Francisco we had an example of very public sin. Although I’m sure that every parish has their share of people receiving communion who are in a state of Mortal Sin the only one that knows that is them. However if one walks up to communion with the big sign around their neck saying “I am an unrepentant adulterer” I would expect that the priest would deny them communion. Not to do so would cause public scandal of the of the kind we saw in San Francisco.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
The fact is, this is one parish with this problem, thousands of miles away. At my own parish, there must be hundreds of people receiving communion who are in a state of objective mortal sin. But they’re in normal, heterosexual mortal sin, like living together before marriage, which is why no one cares. It all seems hypocritical to me. Yes, I find cross-dressers and effeminate men or blatantly gay men disturbing, and they’re easy targets. Sure, it’s fun to have someone to put down to make myself seem so much holier. The fact is, you don’t have to go to San Francisco to find people who make a mockery of Jesus’ teachings, you can probably find them in your own parish, and even in ourselves if we try.
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I don’t know of any thread on this post that says this kind of sacrilege only happens in San Francisco. But you don’t disregard blatant blasphemy just because it happens in other places in more subtle or less public ways…those ways should be addressed also, and they often are if you read through the threads on this forum.

I don’t think the motivation of most people who are outraged at this is to pick an easy target to make themselves feel holier. I know I don’t find it ‘fun’ to do so. From what I’ve read, people are truly disgusted by the mockery that took place at this Mass out of love for Jesus, the sacred Eucharist, and the Church.
 
Elzee said:
I don’t know of any thread on this post that says this kind of sacrilege only happens in San Francisco. But you don’t disregard blatant blasphemy just because it happens in other places in more subtle or less public ways…those ways should be addressed also, and they often are if you read through the threads on this forum.

I don’t think the motivation of most people who are outraged at this is to pick an easy target to make themselves feel holier. I know I don’t find it ‘fun’ to do so. From what I’ve read, people are truly disgusted by the mockery that took place at this Mass out of love for Jesus, the sacred Eucharist, and the Church.
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Well said! I would not hazzard to guess if there are “mortal sinner” in the same communion line as I, Jesus specificly warned us against that type of thinking. But I was struck by a “miller” comment on this subject on O’Rilie where “miller” blasted the pope for saying that homosexual practices are immoral. Adultery, a much more damaging sin than homosexuality, is accepted as normal behavior now-a-days is it not? Adultery it seems was becomming popular culture when there were still sodomy laws on the books. I know after 30 years of this onslaught that even I have become desentized to thinking of these as wrong acts. I believe there might be a direct correlation between the rise of homosexuality in our times and the rise of Adultery which proceed the rise of homosexuality. Look at all the devil is pleased with , we ho are angery, we who are complacent and we who are selfricheous. Its a win win for the devil.
 
geraldffff said:
Well said! I would not hazzard to guess if there are “mortal sinner” in the same communion line as I, Jesus specificly warned us against that type of thinking. But I was struck by a “miller” comment on this subject on O’Rilie where “miller” blasted the pope for saying that homosexual practices are immoral. Adultery, a much more damaging sin than homosexuality, is accepted as normal behavior now-a-days is it not? Adultery it seems was becomming popular culture when there were still sodomy laws on the books. I know after 30 years of this onslaught that even I have become desentized to thinking of these as wrong acts. I believe there might be a direct correlation between the rise of homosexuality in our times and the rise of Adultery which proceed the rise of homosexuality. Look at all the devil is pleased with , we ho are angery, we who are complacent and we who are selfricheous. Its a win win for the devil.
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So tell me how many adultery pride marches are there? How many adultery rights groups do you know? How many people you see advocating that the church change its teachings on adultery being a sin? How many people do you see in the communion line that wear an I am unrepentant adulterer" sign around their neck.

Again we are talking about public versus private sin. When a priest gives communion to a person who is unrepentant and very public sinner , in fact a sinner who loudly proclaims his sin is not a sin at all, he sends the wrong message to his flock
 
estesbob said:
So tell me how many adultery pride marches are there? How many adultery rights groups do you know? How many people you see advocating that the church change its teachings on adultery being a sin? How many people do you see in the communion line that wear an I am unrepentant adulterer" sign around their neck.

Again we are talking about public versus private sin. When a priest gives communion to a person who is unrepentant and very public sinner , in fact a sinner who loudly proclaims his sin is not a sin at all, he sends the wrong message to his flock
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I agree with you!!! Obviously I must have miss communicated with you on some point. I was just pointing out how in the popular culture its ok to bash the pope for saying homosexual activism and acts are immoral with out and within in the context of the Body of Christ but popular culture “miller” O’Riliey choses to ignore a more damaging sin Adultery. I must be neither enraged or complacent about these freaks who committed the public outrage and I must not be judging the people who attend Mass with me unless they like the dog in my earlier post walk up and urinate on the alter or wear the homosexual sash… O’Riliey and “miller” self professed conservatives pander to the homosexuals who hide their activism within the leglislative process. Activism whose end is to normalize homosexual behavior and turn morality on its head.
 
geraldffff said:
I agree with you!!! Obviously I must have miss communicated with you on some point. I was just pointing out how in the popular culture its ok to bash the pope for saying homosexual activism and acts are immoral with out and within in the context of the Body of Christ but popular culture “miller” O’Riliey choses to ignore a more damaging sin Adultery. I must be neither enraged or complacent about these freaks who committed the public outrage and I must not be judging the people who attend Mass with me unless they like the dog in my earlier post walk up and urinate on the alter or wear the homosexual sash… O’Riliey and “miller” self professed conservatives pander to the homosexuals who hide their activism within the leglislative process. Activism whose end is to normalize homosexual behavior and turn morality on its head.
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Sorry. I get confused about who said what sometimes.
 
estesbob said:
Sorry. I get confused about who said what sometimes.
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I took no offense. It is easy for me to miss communicate when I’m all over the board with my reflections. I have raised three grown boys and a daughter who choose to reason that homosexuality is a danger to the future of their children and the future in general . Because it is basic chaotic thinking its rise will eventually bring civilization to a screeching halt as its companion Abortion is now doing. You hear the news trumpeting the serial killers in our schools, work places and homes which reason tells us has a direct correlation to chaotic Godless thinking that even good people like O’Riliey are greasing the skids for. Homosexuality is NOT “gay” and Adultery are not a " country music entertainment. They are the vision of death for the future our children and grandchildren. peace
 
I haven’t read a lot of the posts here but I just got back from San Francisco and the furor over this incident was on everyone’s lips, whether you were on one side of the issue or the other. One question I have is why didn’t the good Bishop just bless these folks as they came up instead of giving them the Eucharist? It seems to me it would have been less of a controversy in the long run. Lets face it, these folks wanted to make a scene and they did just that. Its kind of sad in a city that is suppose to be known for its tolerance and respect for others that a fringe group doesn’t see their own intolerance and disrespect for the Catholic Church. On a side note. I go to San Francisco every year about this time for work. I attend Mass at a couple of Parishes in the city while I am there. This year I noticed signs at both Parishes asking folks to be reverent, quiet and not to bring food and drinks into the church. Its the little things that sometimes get things started in a better direction. Lets all pray for the folks in San Francisco.
 
Elzee said:
On the contrary, I personally think Satan would be happier if we weren’t angry because it would mean there is now total complacency - probably one of his final objectives. I can hear the plan now: *“I’ll continually beat them down until they get tired of being angry and tired of fighting for the true Church and the Lord and tired of their wayward leaders doing nothing out of fear. Eventually they’ll be quiet and give up”. *

THAT is what Satan wants - acceptable sacrilege and blasphemy, not justifiable outrage.

May God gives us all the stamina to never give up.
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How long has it been since the incodent? But yet people are still rageing over the incodent. To respond baised off emotion is not good. The Bishop has said “hay I’m sorry I made a mistake” but yet some people still want more from him. I don’t think theres anything wrong with being angry. But how much time must pass till it is not ok?
 
adam_in_ohio said:
How long has it been since the incodent? But yet people are still rageing over the incodent. To respond baised off emotion is not good. The Bishop has said “hay I’m sorry I made a mistake” but yet some people still want more from him. I don’t think theres anything wrong with being angry. But how much time must pass till it is not ok?
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This was the worst thing that could be done in the Catholic Faith. We don’t take sacrilege of the Holy Eucharist lightly. Like I said, this is just the worst thing to happen in a long line of bad things that continue in this diocese. Even after his apology, the other priests involved continue to contradict the bishop. Hopefully the bishop will really step up and help the people of that church and the rest of the diocese. An apology without fixing the problems that lead to this horrible tragedy is simply going to be hard for us to take. We need to pray for him to make the right decisions for this diocese and to take action against those that are leading the faithful astray.
 
bear06 said:
This was the worst thing that could be done in the Catholic Faith. We don’t take sacrilege of the Holy Eucharist lightly. Like I said, this is just the worst thing to happen in a long line of bad things that continue in this diocese. Even after his apology, the other priests involved continue to contradict the bishop. Hopefully the bishop will really step up and help the people of that church and the rest of the diocese. An apology without fixing the problems that lead to this horrible tragedy is simply going to be hard for us to take. We need to pray for him to make the right decisions for this diocese and to take action against those that are leading the faithful astray.
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I don’t take sacrilege lightly in any way. I was pissed as hell, and I was truley heart broken when I found out about all of this. Now we should take mesures to keep this from happining again.
I’m not saying the Bishop does not have flaws. But hine sight is 20/20. But still…How long is too long to stay angry??
 
adam_in_ohio said:
I don’t take sacrilege lightly in any way. I was pissed as hell, and I was truley heart broken when I found out about all of this. Now we should take mesures to keep this from happining again.
I’m not saying the Bishop does not have flaws. But hine sight is 20/20. But still…How long is too long to stay angry??
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Angry about what? Should we not be angry that steps have yet to be taken to insure that this doesn’t happen again? Immediately it should have been announced to all pastors that they are not to give Communion to the SPI until they have publicly repented so there is no scandal or sacrilege. We should have also heard that any priest found giving Communion would be relieved of all ministerial duties. Of course, this doesn’t even start to cover the other blasphemies that have been going on in the Catholic churches of that diocese.

I am very happy the bishop apologized. I am not happy that steps have not been taken to prevent this from happening again. I pray that the bishop will do this and, if not, will step aside and let someone who will take his spot.
 
adam_in_ohio said:
How long has it been since the incodent? But yet people are still rageing over the incodent. To respond baised off emotion is not good. The Bishop has said “hay I’m sorry I made a mistake” but yet some people still want more from him. I don’t think theres anything wrong with being angry. But how much time must pass till it is not ok?
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I think people have gotten over the anger by now, and have moved onto being proactive.

The fact of the matter is that outrageous stuff has been happening under the Bishop, and with his full consent, for some time now. People are wondering what they can do to prevent it from happening again. If it were an isolated event, then I would agree with you in thinking discussing it any further would be unnecessary at this point. Unfortunately, though, it’s not.
 
adam_in_ohio said:
How long has it been since the incodent? But yet people are still rageing over the incodent. To respond baised off emotion is not good. The Bishop has said “hay I’m sorry I made a mistake” but yet some people still want more from him. I don’t think theres anything wrong with being angry. But how much time must pass till it is not ok?
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People are still “raging” because the bishop has not done the appropriate thing.

He said that had he recognized them he WOULD have refused them. Because of that, he must do the next thing.

He must excommunicate the organization of Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence and all of its members. They publicly denounce the teachings of the Church. As a Catholic, you can’t do that without proper consequences.

He must also remove the pastor.

He must do that to show all of his priests and his flock that it is a mortal sin to do what they do (watch the videos if you don’t know what they do) Google Sisters of Perpetual indulgence, Most Holy Redeemer, and Heklina (who hosted the Drag Queen Show on Sept 29, 2007 in the parish hall at MHR parish.)

They are R and X rated and these people(and others promoting similar sinful practices) have been renting the parish hall for YEARS and both the pastor and the archbishop have known this (AB Niederauer forced Fr. Steve Meriwether, the pastor, to cancel the lease agreement that the Sisters had with the parish for “Revival Bingo” that had been occuring for months in 2006.) Here’s a link to a video from the 2007 Gay Pride parade that MHR parish marched in.
qdomine.com/Morality_pages/GayPride2007.htm
and this is a full page of various links to the atrocities that have been occuring at MHR
qdomine.com/Morality_pages/MHR.htm

The archbishop is responsible for those souls and for stopping this and, to date, nothing is done unless there is tremendous publicity.

This won’t stop until he does something. And this has to stop.
 
The archbishopdoesn’t appear to see anything wrong beyond their parodying the sisters’ costume. He seems to overlook the entire issue of homosexual lifestyle - which he has done throughout his career.
 
adam_in_ohio said:
I don’t take sacrilege lightly in any way. I was pissed as hell, and I was truley heart broken when I found out about all of this. Now we should take mesures to keep this from happining again.
I’m not saying the Bishop does not have flaws. But hine sight is 20/20. But still…How long is too long to stay angry??
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Never to long to be angry over abuse of our Lord Jesus Christ. So even eternity plus a day is not long enough.
 
bear06 said:
This was the worst thing that could be done in the Catholic Faith. We don’t take sacrilege of the Holy Eucharist lightly. Like I said, this is just the worst thing to happen in a long line of bad things that continue in this diocese. Even after his apology, the other priests involved continue to contradict the bishop. Hopefully the bishop will really step up and help the people of that church and the rest of the diocese. An apology without fixing the problems that lead to this horrible tragedy is simply going to be hard for us to take. We need to pray for him to make the right decisions for this diocese and to take action against those that are leading the faithful astray.
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Do you have a link for this other information about the reaction of other priests, and about other abuses in San Francisco? Do the SPI go to that church regularly?
 
adam_in_ohio said:
How long has it been since the incodent? But yet people are still rageing over the incodent. To respond baised off emotion is not good. The Bishop has said “hay I’m sorry I made a mistake” but yet some people still want more from him. I don’t think theres anything wrong with being angry. But how much time must pass till it is not ok?
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Is it okay to still be upset over the crucifiction of Christ? Because that is what is happening in incidents like this. Maybe of people were more indignant all the time they’d be more aware of these abuses and prevent them.

People love to apologize after the fact, but the Bishop isn’t an idiot.

He is either sympathetic to the drag sisters cause, or has issues himself. Either way, an apology isn’t always enough for our leaders.
 
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