"We can't take this anymore", Holy Redeemer Parishoners want Rome to clean up the Church

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Ditto!

Maybe just maybe if enough of us do this the Vatican will act. I’m also starting a Petition to Benedict’s Boss.

To: Holy Mary Mother of God
Forward to: Blessed Trinity
RE: Hersey in America

This is getting too much. With a group of gay men that dress up as Nuns for the purpose of mocking the church. We have entire dioceses bluntly ignoring the teachings of the Church and the upper levels of the Magistratum do nothing!

HELP!
 
Even though what these folks do is offensive, a thought has occured to me. I know that you’re not supposed to be recieving eucharist if you’ve got mortal sin on your heart but I can’t help but think that maybe the Archbishop had good intentions behind this. I mean perhaps, just perhaps, that he was thinking that the eucharist might help these guys? I mean as offensive as what these dudes do, mocking the church and all, perhaps they need the eucharist and the special grace that comes from it. may be the grace could, oh i dunno, begin to change them and lead them to the Lord? just a thought here folks.
Don’t think this could happen, as having mortal and I mean MORTAL sin on on one’s soul does NOTHING for the recipient, but it BLASPHEMES the body of Christ! I can see where you would be tempted to think along these lines but I really don’t think there would be ANY graces imparted. I myself am quite surprised they did not all CHOKE on it!!!
 
OK so now how do we go about this. Now that I can actually think a little more clearly. (I saw this last night on O’Reilly, and even after doing a little venting by posting I had a terrible night of sleep-but I can think a little clearer today)

Where’s your petition Cyberwolf and I will sign it (maybe even more than once:D )
 
It’s called the Rosary. Just after Hail Holy Queen and before The Rosary Pray add the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel and the Pray to St. Joseph (The One asking him to watch over the Church) 👍
 
Ok…now that I know more about this, it lies at the foot of those hate mongers who did this. The Church and the Archbishop were mocked!!!..That’s right made a mockery of. This hate mongers should be punished! The Archbishop has apologized and I believe he is sincere and somewhat senile. He did not give communion to these reprobates on purpose or knowingly which what they did to the Eucharist is ABSOLUTELY without a doubt SACRILEGIOUS!

This would have made front page news if it were a mosque.

No he should not be excommunicated as I said earlier.

As I said They’re mocking the church. I would call them Blasphemers in that ultimately they are mocking the Holy Spirit and they don’t really give a flip if they are mocking God. — Matt 12:31-32 And so I tell you , every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or in the age to come. These guys can be forgiven, but if they reject Gods call by the Spirit to accept Christ as their Savior and Lord then the rejection of Christ has eternal consequences. As it stands now, they are in rebellion against God and all that He stands for. Therefore, by default they are working for Satan.
 
I say the Rosary daily and include the renewal of The Church. I also say the Prayer of St. Michael afterward. Today I prayed ONLY for the renewal of The Church and offered this particular offense to the Mercy of God. I intend to find a formal petition (I would just guess by now there is one circulating somewhere) that will condemn this atrocity and possibly have the Archbishop removed. Regardless of his heart whether this was intentional or unintentional, possibly just carelessness on his part, this can’t be allowed to continue. And the laity have not only the RIGHT but the OBLIGATION to speak out!!! IMHO this is where we as Catholic Christians put on the full armor of God and go to war!!
 
I’m with you Teelynn. Prayer should NEVER be a substitute for taking action against sin. 👍
 
Well, I just read the What will he tell them? article in the OP (Sorry, I should have done this first.)

Can we write a letter to the Vatican, asking them to do something about things like this in America? Is it better for each of us to write separate letters, or get a petition going (via email, I guess)?
There is a reference on EWTN newswire as to the Archbishop’s apology:

ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=82837

I believe he was sincere and innocent, no doubt. But that still does not resolve the huge problem that San Francisco is.

Any bishop sent to San Francisco will go as a lamb among wolves. The assignment of a new bishop cannot be arbitrary, nor would I ever accuse the Holy Father of assigning an arbitrary bishop. I have great respect for Pope Benedict XVI.

Sometimes it seems the hierarchy, so far away in Rome, is just out of touch with the California West Coast.

I hope Pope Benedict will plan a trip to California, San Francisco specifically. Liberal Catholism needs to come face to face with the True Church of Christ – embodied in Benedict XVI.

Surrounded by prayer and fasting, it could mean the beginning of a complete renewal for the bedeviled city.
 
Interesting day - October 7th. Had it not been on a Sunday, it would have been the Feast of the Holy Rosary. Other calendar years it was – Our Lady of Sorrows.

Strangely appropriate, don’t you think?
 
Hey all! I need you opinion on something! I live near San Francisco and want to make a stand against Archbishop Niederauer and the sisters of indulgence and what went down at Holy Redeemer Parish!!!

My idea was to drive to Holy Redeemer Parish…wrap yellow caution tape around (but not directly touching) the Church and have a large sign saying “MAKE APOSTLES NOT APOSTASY”

Please share any thoughts!
 
I think there is no reason to make a stand against the archbishop, since he has admitted his mistake and apologized for it.

As for making a stand against the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, I think you would be giving them the attention and controversy which they crave. And it would embolden their supporters, rather than shame them.
 
while i’m happy that the archbishop apologized, for some reason i don’t think that everything is fine now. i think he knew about these drag “sisters” and the heavily demented and homosexual culture of san fran-sicko. it sounds like he’s playing dumb.

it’s a fact that he has been criticized in the past for his fraternization with homosexual activists and his refusal to not give communion to pelosi and other overtly pro-abortion politicians.

these are the acts of an ignorant cowardly bishop.

if he really cared for the faithful of san Francisco, he should step down, or get his act together.
 
I’m with you Teelynn. Prayer should NEVER be a substitute for taking action against sin. 👍
This is such a blatant Diabolical Blasphemy that I believe it necessary for us a Catholic Christians to speak out in whatever venue we can find appropriate but in a strong way against this horrendous thing. We are the voices of Jesus Christ. I have already emailed the Archbishop (for whatever that’s worth:rolleyes: ) and I understand he has apologized. Of course, apology accepted, and yes he may be getting older and his “on the spot” decision making could be getting a bit rusty. The Church in San Fran (and throughout the world for that matter) needs to take a definitive stand against such atrosities in the future. IMO it needs to be voiced loudly and clearly in the media.

In another thread a poster suggested yellow caution tape around the Church but not touching the Church that said something to the affect of “To make Apostles and not Apostacy”. (or something like that) Possibly as another poster has said, this will bring the “Sisters” what they want; more attention and controversy. A better way might be for a public Rosary in front of the Church to end Blasphemy within the Church.🤷

If anyone knows of a petition or who to contact to make ourselves heard please post. I am a pitbull on this one, and once my teeth are locked there is no letting go.😛
 
Hi CC,

I kind of have the same thought as Dale does in that what they are looking for is MEDIA ATTENTION and CONTROVERSY. This might fuel the fire. Why not a public rosary in front of Church to end such blasphemies? I realize that might take some doing, but if there were people to organize such a thing it might be pretty effective. Just a thought. I myself am looking to Catholic Christians to petition the hierarchy to take a stance. Must admit, I don’t have a clue as to how to go about that!

As I said in another thread, anyone that knows of anything please pass it on.🙂
 
What this Archbishop did is an act of sacriledge. He is a digrace to the Church. You should send a letter of protest to the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith.

He deserves to be stripped of his authority.
 
This subject has been beaten to death, and there’s probably not much I can add to it, but as a Catholic native of San Francisco I’d like to chime in. (I am a convert, having been confirmed this past Easter.)

First, I would point out that as much as it looks like things are “out of control” in San Francisco, MHR is a renegade parish whose views are not necessarily predominant in SF Catholicism. Yes, it is a liberal city, yes people here are “tolerant” of all sorts of perversion, and even encourage it. However, most San Franciscans aren’t churchgoers, and those who are generally are much more accepting of Church teachings. Father John Malloy, recently retired as pastor of Sts. Peter and Paul here, regularly lead pro-life and anti-gay “marriage” protests through the City. Even at a liberal Jesuit parish like St. Ignatius, we regularly pray for the protection of life from beginning to end, and there are no drag queens in the pews.

The men who received communion from the Archbishop were not simple “drag queens.” They are “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence,” who make a living out of mocking the Church and everything it stands for. These are men who dress in religious garb, give themselves names like “Sister Edith MyFlesh” and appear at the Folsom St. Fair, whose advertisements featured a mockery of the Last Supper, and hence the Eucharist, replete with sex toys and men in leather. One Catholic web site showed a “Sister” with a T-shirt proclaiming “Bottoms for Jesus,” referring to the passive partner in the act of sodomy.

I think the majority of us are disappointed at the Archbishop. There is simply no way that he, having been Archbishop here for nearly two years, was unaware of who the SOPI are. Seeing these men in their costumes, he assuredly knew who they were and what their organization represents. His being elderly has nothing to do with it. I met the Archbishop after the Rite of Election last year for my RCIA program, and he was a vital man in full command of his faculties.

The Archbishop is under tremendous political pressure here, and to refuse communion to the SOPI at that particular church, while being right, would have been extremely difficult. Not every Catholic has the courage of a martyr, and I would tend towards forgiveness of our Archbishop–if, he manages to seize this episode to finally do something about this renegade parish, a parish where SOPI receives communion and gay porn and sex “toys” are handed out as prizes in a bingo game. (No joke.)

Meanwhile, I pray for the conversion of these “Sisters,” and for the whole city.
 
This subject has been beaten to death, and there’s probably not much I can add to it, but as a Catholic native of San Francisco I’d like to chime in. (I am a convert, having been confirmed this past Easter.)

First, I would point out that as much as it looks like things are “out of control” in San Francisco, MHR is a renegade parish whose views are not necessarily predominant in SF Catholicism. Yes, it is a liberal city, yes people here are “tolerant” of all sorts of perversion, and even encourage it. However, most San Franciscans aren’t churchgoers, and those who are generally are much more accepting of Church teachings. Father John Malloy, recently retired as pastor of Sts. Peter and Paul here, regularly lead pro-life and anti-gay “marriage” protests through the City. Even at a liberal Jesuit parish like St. Ignatius, we regularly pray for the protection of life from beginning to end, and there are no drag queens in the pews.

The men who received communion from the Archbishop were not simple “drag queens.” They are “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence,” who make a living out of mocking the Church and everything it stands for. These are men who dress in religious garb, give themselves names like “Sister Edith MyFlesh” and appear at the Folsom St. Fair, whose advertisements featured a mockery of the Last Supper, and hence the Eucharist, replete with sex toys and men in leather. One Catholic web site showed a “Sister” with a T-shirt proclaiming “Bottoms for Jesus,” referring to the passive partner in the act of sodomy.

I think the majority of us are disappointed at the Archbishop. There is simply no way that he, having been Archbishop here for nearly two years, was unaware of who the SOPI are. Seeing these men in their costumes, he assuredly knew who they were and what their organization represents. His being elderly has nothing to do with it. I met the Archbishop after the Rite of Election last year for my RCIA program, and he was a vital man in full command of his faculties.

The Archbishop is under tremendous political pressure here, and to refuse communion to the SOPI at that particular church, while being right, would have been extremely difficult. Not every Catholic has the courage of a martyr, and I would tend towards forgiveness of our Archbishop–if, he manages to seize this episode to finally do something about this renegade parish, a parish where SOPI receives communion and gay porn and sex “toys” are handed out as prizes in a bingo game. (No joke.)

Meanwhile, I pray for the conversion of these “Sisters,” and for the whole city.
Unfortunately, your lax attitude about the blasphemous SOPI epitomizes the very problem with San Francisco. But, how can you be different than the culture around you?

Apparently its “okay” in SF to “tolerate” these blaphemous misfits. Well, Catholics everywhere else find this situation extremely lacking in courage, holiness. . . Truth.

They should never have been allowed in the Church (with their garb and ostentatious makeup)* in the first place!*

WHAT is it that Catholics and clergy fear in San Francisco for defending and reverencing the Body of Christ?

In the Upper Room (on the feast of Pentecost) the apostles first huddled, hiding in fear for what the Romans might do to them. THEN THEY PRAYED. Next, they received Courage and Boldness – Both gifts from the Holy Spirit. CLEARLY, the Battle belongs to Christ.

San Francisco apparently lacks that clarity.

You mention, “beating a dead horse”; I can tell you that this issue will not go away.

Catholics everywhere are so irrate they are seeing purple and green streeks.

This event, as it has been played out – has started a firestorm, whether or not this thread, or even this forum closes. ***It has touched a very deep chord in devout Catholics. ***

I still say, the Bishop should start by posting the Knights of Columbus at all entries to the Church while Mass is being said.

If you have a public reputation for mocking the Church, you do not enter. Period. End of story.
 
Unfortunately, your lax attitude about the blasphemous SOPI epitomizes the very problem with San Francisco. But, how can you be different than the culture around you?

Apparently its “okay” in SF to “tolerate” these blaphemous misfits. Well, Catholics everywhere else find this situation extremely lacking in courage, holiness. . . Truth.

They should never have been allowed in the Church (with their garb and ostentatious makeup)* in the first place!*

WHAT is it that Catholics and clergy fear in San Francisco for defending and reverencing the Body of Christ?

In the Upper Room (on the feast of Pentecost) the apostles first huddled, hiding in fear for what the Romans might do to them. THEN THEY PRAYED. Next, they received Courage and Boldness – Both gifts from the Holy Spirit. CLEARLY, the Battle belongs to Christ.

San Francisco apparently lacks that clarity.

You mention, “beating a dead horse”; I can tell you that this issue will not go away.

Catholics everywhere are so irrate they are seeing purple and green streeks.

This event, as it has been played out – has started a firestorm, whether or not this thread, or even this forum closes. ***It has touched a very deep chord in devout Catholics. ***

I still say, the Bishop should start by posting the Knights of Columbus at all entries to the Church while Mass is being said.

If you have a public reputation for mocking the Church, you do not enter. Period. End of story.
ChristianVet,

Perhaps you should actually read what I said prior to responding with such harsh words. Calumny is a sin, need I remind you?

I agree with everything you said after completely distorting my words.

When did I say SOPI is OK or that we should tolerate them? Please show me a quote if you can. I specifically said that MHR’s “tolerance” of “perversion” is not acceptable to most SF Catholics, that I was disappointed in what our Archbishop did, that there was no way he was unaware of who these SOPI people were, that the Folsom St. fair is a disgrace, and that the Archbishop should be forgiven if, if he does something to take care of this out of control, renegade parish.

Here is what I said, not that you are at all interested in it: “to refuse communion to the SOPI at that particular church, while being right, would have been extremely difficult.” Obviously, this means what the Archbishop did was wrong. He gave Communion to men who openly mock the Catholic Church, who are certainly in a state of mortal sin. However, in MHR parish, it would take courage to deny them communion. His courage failed him, and as a result the Sacrament was profaned.

Please read my post before responding. I’m actually on your side.
 
ChristianVet,

Perhaps you should actually read what I said prior to responding with such harsh words. Calumny is a sin, need I remind you?
I read your entire comment several times, all the way through.

My analysis was about San Francisco’s general malaise, not about your acceptance or rejection of the situation. I am sorry if you did not get that.
 
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