"We can't take this anymore", Holy Redeemer Parishoners want Rome to clean up the Church

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You mention, “beating a dead horse”; I can tell you that this issue will not go away.

Catholics everywhere are so irrate they are seeing purple and green streeks.

This event, as it has been played out – has started a firestorm, whether or not this thread, or even this forum closes. ***It has touched a very deep chord in devout Catholics. ***

I still say, the Bishop should start by posting the Knights of Columbus at all entries to the Church while Mass is being said.

If you have a public reputation for mocking the Church, you do not enter. Period. End of story.

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Teelynn said:
You mention, “beating a dead horse”; I can tell you that this issue will not go away.

Catholics everywhere are so irrate they are seeing purple and green streeks.

This event, as it has been played out – has started a firestorm, whether or not this thread, or even this forum closes. ***It has touched a very deep chord in devout Catholics. ***

I still say, the Bishop should start by posting the Knights of Columbus at all entries to the Church while Mass is being said.

If you have a public reputation for mocking the Church, you do not enter. Period. End of story.
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Better yet, go at the source of the problem- the Archbishop himself. But long gone are the days when problematic clergy would be dealt with. And even more long gone are the days when this one would have been locked away in a fortress or hanged for his crimes.
 
Sorry Caesar, that post wasn’t from me but from JeffAC. It LOOKS like it might have been mine but I messed up on posting the quote from him.:o I was just giving him the thumbs up for his post. I agree with you non the less.
 
It is my understanding that the church where the archbishop was saying mass is closely associated with the Pride festival. It is difficult to believe that he did not know who was in the congregation.

It appears that he just discovered that there is gambling at Ricks. :rolleyes:
 
ChristianVet said:
I read your entire comment several times, all the way through.

My analysis was about San Francisco’s general malaise, not about your acceptance or rejection of the situation. I am sorry if you did not get that.
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ChristianVet,

Thank you for this response, I am sorry if I misunderstood you.

I would like to re-emphasize this point about the “general malaise” here in SF to which you refer. I agree, there is a virulent hatred of Christianity in general, and the Catholic Church in specific in SF. I would agree that the majority of San Franciscans share this view, and the hostility which has been directed at me since I became a Catholic is at times staggering and saddening.

However, despite our Archbishop’s unfortunate action, I would again like to point out that Most Holy Redeemer (MHR) is an exception, not the rule. There is a vibrant, orthodox Catholic community here in SF, and I think most of us are as angry as anyone. I sat through many masses at Sts. Peter and Paul in which Father Malloy preached against gay marriage and only once did I see someone walk out. And that was a tourist (guide book in hand). Even at parishes that are considered liberal here, I have not heard anything preached that contradicts the Catechism or Bible. MHR is on its own planet; they are so sound in their rejection of orthodox teaching that they make the Episcopalians look like Pat Robertson.

The Archbishop has an opportunity here that I pray he makes use of. If not, I certainly hope the Vatican steps in. I even hear Eastern Orthodox saying this episode will damage the Holy Father’s attempts at reconciliation. And again, I pray for the conversion of these SOPI “sisters.” If the Holy Spirit can help a former atheist such as myself, no one is beyond hope or God’s grace.
 
Evangelicals/fundametalist sites are having a hay day with this. The Catholic Church is increasingly seen like the Episcopal churrch. Don’t hold your breath the SF bishop will be removed. That would mean Rome actually believed. I don’t think they do. Does anyone here really? When the Pope allows this to go on?
 
this incident is a perfect example of all that is wrong in the american catholic church–cowardly sissy bishops!!!

they are entirely to blame for the dismal state our church and society is in. in a sense, sissified men are to blame for all of the secular ills of the west.

there is this blatant heresy of pacifism in today’s church which invariably leads to indifference.
 
rien said:
Evangelicals/fundametalist sites are having a hay day with this. The Catholic Church is increasingly seen like the Episcopal churrch. Don’t hold your breath the SF bishop will be removed. That would mean Rome actually believed. I don’t think they do. Does anyone here really? When the Pope allows this to go on?
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Believe what?? In the True Presense?? Or am I misunderstanding you?? Let me just say ***if ***you don’t believe in the true presense, you are correct that no you are not Catholic, you are Protestant. Doesn’t matter how many Catholic Priests believe in the true presense when they are consecrating, the host is STILL consecrated and in fact is the Body of Jesus. There are still a substantial number of Catholics that yes, believe the consecrated host is Jesus Christ.

If anyone would like to voice their “discontent” in this matter go to the “Americans for Truth” site and they give you some info.
I have emailed both Archbishop Levada and Niederauer with my “concern” leaving nothing unsaid. :mad: I would suggest you all do at least that, as the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
 
crenfro said:
Thank you for this reminder.
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Originally Posted by ricmat forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Those who are well don’t need a doctor, the sick do.

However, you may also need the following reminder.

The problem here is the sick don’t believe they’re sick, and the doctor(s) refuse to tell them they’re sick. The doctors also refuse to offer the medicine or to give the prognosis of the disease.
 
ChristianVet said:
In light of the spiritual battle going on in San Francisco, the Pope should appoint a new, younger Archbishop, one with fire in the belly.

I vote for the promotion and relocation of Father John Corapi.

Next, he should assign REAL Sisters of Our Lady of Perpetual Help – or very devout contemplatives to PRAY San Francisco into repentance.
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rciadan said:
This exemplifies why I am leaving the Latin Rite. This latest of many, many, incidents is just the last straw, and there will be another just as disgusting tomorrow… and the USCCB defends these scum. When the Arians were taking over the Church there were good Bishops who waged the battle with them, took them to task, countered their ludicrous teachings and called them what they were, heretics, by name! Even the “good” bishops will say nothing about thier own! They make meaningless generalized, non-confrontational remarks on page 32 of some newpapeer with readerships of 200 people… They say nothing and do nothing. They have been bought and paid for. They wine and dine with people even the Arians would have fled from! The Church will be victorious, but the Latin Rite is spiraling into hell. I will not let my children be taught by the likes of these for, if I do, I shall lose my own imortal soul! I am seeking where I shall go, such as Coptic, Melkite, Byzantine, etc.
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I honestly wish there were an Eastern Rite Catholic parish near me. I hear you as far as being afraid for your children. Mine is 19 and has already left the church. :crying:
 
I haven’t read every post so forgive me if this is in this thread somewhere….granted, the archbishop had the ultimate responsibility for protecting our Lord … but…what about the congregation? ** Did now ONE person make an effort to call the police for these people disrupting Mass?

**I saw Laura Ingram on O’Reilly and she made the comment ‘I’m glad it didn’t happen at a Mass I was at" - I cant’ remember her exact quote, but she made it sound like she would have said or done something- called the police, etc. I know hindsight is 20-20, but really, if they are this blatant a group, SOMEONE in the congregation should have known about them and stepped up to protect our Lord - even if it was to get out of line, walk up to the archbishop during communion, and tell him - or stop him as he was giving them our Lord.

We ALL need to be more radical in our faith at times like this. I pray I will have the courage and forethought to act appropriately if I’m ever in a situation like this. I don’t know if I will, but I pray I do.

I hope Pope Benedict knows about this, and I pray he reacts according to God’s will - I don’t know what that is, but I sure hope he does.
 
Elzee said:
Did now ONE person make an effort to call the police for these people disrupting Mass?
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I don’t think anyone disrupted the Mass. Granted, the video didn’t show its entirety, but it appeared that two SPI members quietly participated in the Mass.

Perhaps they should have been stopped at the door. But they weren’t, so I am not sure that the police would have reason to get involved.
 
Dale_M said:
I don’t think anyone disrupted the Mass. Granted, the video didn’t show its entirety, but it appeared that two SPI members quietly participated in the Mass.

Perhaps they should have been stopped at the door. But they weren’t, so I am not sure that the police would have reason to get involved.
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That’s a good point. I guess they weren’t "disruptive’ in the way most people would think of ‘disruption’ - I lumped ‘mockery’ in with ‘disruptive’ in my mind and can see where there is a difference. I wonder if people in the congregation familiar with this group, however, knew what was coming - that they would be going up to receive communion. If so, someone should have at least tried to talk to the archbishop before Mass or to someone who would have been able to get access to the archbishop before Mass ( a priest, altar server, acolyte…anyone who would be in the procession) so they could get word to him on what might occur with these people.
Again - hindsight is 20-20.
 
Elzee said:
I haven’t read every post so forgive me if this is in this thread somewhere….granted, the archbishop had the ultimate responsibility for protecting our Lord … but…what about the congregation? Did now ONE person make an effort to call the police for these people disrupting Mass? . . …
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It seems doubtful that there was one person at the mass who disagreed with those requesting communion. 😦
 
Joe_Kelley said:
It seems doubtful that there was one person at the mass who disagreed with those requesting communion. 😦
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There are other threads where people are saying it is not the place for laypersons or EM’s to say something about being worth to receive the Eucharist. Personally I think we are all called to protect our Lord.
 
Elzee said:
I haven’t read every post so forgive me if this is in this thread somewhere….granted, the archbishop had the ultimate responsibility for protecting our Lord … but…what about the congregation? Did now ONE person make an effort to call the police for these people disrupting Mass?

I saw Laura Ingram on O’Reilly and she made the comment ‘I’m glad it didn’t happen at a Mass I was at" - I cant’ remember her exact quote, but she made it sound like she would have said or done something- called the police, etc. I know hindsight is 20-20, but really, if they are this blatant a group, SOMEONE in the congregation should have known about them and stepped up to protect our Lord - even if it was to get out of line, walk up to the archbishop during communion, and tell him - or stop him as he was giving them our Lord.

We ALL need to be more radical in our faith at times like this. I pray I will have the courage and forethought to act appropriately if I’m ever in a situation like this. I don’t know if I will, but I pray I do.

I hope Pope Benedict knows about this, and I pray he reacts according to God’s will - I don’t know what that is, but I sure hope he does.
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I’m also wondering why no one took notice. It’s possible, but unlikely that NO one would have recognized what they were doing. At most parishes, I think at least an usher would have made a comment if none of the parishioners did.
 
I’m 23 years old, and these news stories are already turning me into a cantankerous old lady.
 
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