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"We can't take this anymore", Holy Redeemer Parishoners want Rome to clean up the Church
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Cal_Catholic
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No mea culpas at Most Holy Redeemer: parish publishes thank-you note from member of group condemned in archbishop’s apology
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ChristianVet
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Exactly! Thank you, Irenaeus1.
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Neil_Anthony
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Maybe the SOPI are recognized by the ‘catholic gay community’ in that parish as a legitimate group. In fact it appears from their website that they used to be in charge of the parish bingo, until the archbishop put a stop to that.
Next time I’m in SF I’m going to go to mass there to see just what’s going on. It’s hard to tell from online.
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johnnycatholic
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Well, i mean if Jesus Himself says He has no problem with him being gay, i’m sure they’re on the up & up.
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Teelynn
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I have read that they have been excommunicated. If Parishioners or Ushers know who they are and know about this, someone should have stopped them, kindly asked them to leave as they were not legitimate members of The Church or SOMETHING!!.
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Teelynn
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I agree with this 100%. In centuries past lay people would DIE to protect the Blessed Sacrament from defilement. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly
there have been those who HAVE IN FACT DIED TO PROTECT OUR LORD IN THE BLESSED SACRAMENT!!! In this day and age, appropriateness or a better term “politically correct” seems to prevail. Beyond a doubt the lay person who would try to intervene would receive plenty of flack, even and maybe especially within The Church. Well, SO BE IT, IMHO. Not enough Catholics have any “fire in their belly” anymore. Happened to watch a segment on EWTN about a protestant minister that converted to Catholisism. One thing that stuck out like a sore thumb with him, was the “lukewarmness” of a lot of Catholics.
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sea_oat
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You’re absolutely right. One of them wrote a “thank you” letter to the parish, and it was actually printed it in the bulletin yesterday.
It’s become apparent to me that the parish really doesn’t disapprove of what happened.calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=46d023cc-6fe8-4197-aa31-e060476d5ea0
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Gerry_Hunter
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Two quick questions come to mind with the note finding its way into the Bulletin:
How in heaven’s name did the note get into the bulletin?
Now that it has, what are the Archbishop and Parish Priest going to do about it? (Alternatively, if the Archbishop is sincere about teaching and witnessing to the Faith, and the Parish Priest put it in or let it be put in, what is the Archbishop going to do about the Parish Priest?)
Enquiring Catholic minds want to know, and hopefully some of them are in the Vatican Curia.
Blessings,
Gerry
How in heaven’s name did the note get into the bulletin?
Now that it has, what are the Archbishop and Parish Priest going to do about it? (Alternatively, if the Archbishop is sincere about teaching and witnessing to the Faith, and the Parish Priest put it in or let it be put in, what is the Archbishop going to do about the Parish Priest?)
Enquiring Catholic minds want to know, and hopefully some of them are in the Vatican Curia.
Blessings,
Gerry
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geezerbob
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Here’s the note that was published in the bulletin:
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Neil_Anthony
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They’ve posted pictures of the archbishop’s mass on the MHR website…
Here’s one where you can see the SOPI
mhr.org/picts/MHRPhotos/PastoralVisit2007/P1000936.jpg
The whole gallery:
mhr.org/gallery17.htm
Here’s one where you can see the SOPI
mhr.org/picts/MHRPhotos/PastoralVisit2007/P1000936.jpg
The whole gallery:
mhr.org/gallery17.htm
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Teelynn
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Great point! From personal experience one must call the rectory office and either drop off or fax or email the quip to be put in the bulletin. BUT BEFORE IT IS PUT IN THE BULLETIN, THE PASTOR ALWAYS NEEDS TO APPROVE IT. There have been times in the past that the secretary has told me; "I will give this to Fr. to approve and we have a lot to go in this week so I can only promise if Fr. approves and if there is room. No secretary or administrator in any parish has sole authority on what goes in or what doesn’t. Final approval is left to Fr.
Obviously neither the Pastor nor the Parishioners disapproved of this in the slightest.
I can almost guarantee that NOTHING will happen next.
That seems to be the prevailing MO of the Bishops. “Maybe if we just ignore it, it will go away.”
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Angels_Watchin
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Did the parish welcome these homosexual drag queens?
The video clearly shows an older man at the reception putting his arm around the one with the flower hat, saying, “Thank you for being here.” And here’s the event they hosted last year in the parish hall for 3 months, before the outrage caused AB Neiderauer to tell Fr. Steve to cancel the events.
travelistic.com/video/show/1820/The-Bingo-Revival
and this is what the hall was used for the evening of Sept 29, 2007 - just one week before AB Neiderauer offered the Mass there.
youtube.com/watch?v=4WlrZAXezH0
That show was hosted by Heklina - look HIM up on youtube =- beware - most of it is X rated.
AB Neiderauer knew about the event on Friday - and did nothing to prevent it.
The faith is gone at MHR parish - their entire congregation is involved in this outrage. The pastor is sick and so is the bishop.
here’s the defining quote from the AB’s apology:
"Although I had often seen photographs of members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, I had never encountered them in person until October 7th. I did not recognize who these people were when they approached me. "
If he did know and still gave them Holy Communion - he’s got to go. If he DIDN’T recognize anything was wrong with these 2 (he did, and the video is very clear about that. He automatically began to give them a blessing - then he gave them Holy Communion) - he’s too unconsious to be handling the Host or offering Mass.
Either way, he’s got to go. He’s disgraced the Church and the Body of Christ (in the Consecrated Host and the Mystical Body of Christ)
How bad would a pastor have to be for this to have occurred unchallenged by any one of the 200 people in the congregation and the priests and deacons in the sanctuary?
The video clearly shows an older man at the reception putting his arm around the one with the flower hat, saying, “Thank you for being here.” And here’s the event they hosted last year in the parish hall for 3 months, before the outrage caused AB Neiderauer to tell Fr. Steve to cancel the events.
travelistic.com/video/show/1820/The-Bingo-Revival
and this is what the hall was used for the evening of Sept 29, 2007 - just one week before AB Neiderauer offered the Mass there.
youtube.com/watch?v=4WlrZAXezH0
That show was hosted by Heklina - look HIM up on youtube =- beware - most of it is X rated.
AB Neiderauer knew about the event on Friday - and did nothing to prevent it.
The faith is gone at MHR parish - their entire congregation is involved in this outrage. The pastor is sick and so is the bishop.
here’s the defining quote from the AB’s apology:
"Although I had often seen photographs of members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, I had never encountered them in person until October 7th. I did not recognize who these people were when they approached me. "
If he did know and still gave them Holy Communion - he’s got to go. If he DIDN’T recognize anything was wrong with these 2 (he did, and the video is very clear about that. He automatically began to give them a blessing - then he gave them Holy Communion) - he’s too unconsious to be handling the Host or offering Mass.
Either way, he’s got to go. He’s disgraced the Church and the Body of Christ (in the Consecrated Host and the Mystical Body of Christ)
How bad would a pastor have to be for this to have occurred unchallenged by any one of the 200 people in the congregation and the priests and deacons in the sanctuary?
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sea_oat
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And the plot thickens.
I grieve for the parishioners of MHR, but I no longer feel sorry for them. If this stuff has been going on for a while now, it only stands to reason that the parishioners who would have been outraged already MHR left long ago.
As for the Archbishop, I don’t know what to say other than wow.
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Catholic29
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SPECIAL REPORT:
Scandal in San Francisco
By Catholic Online
10/13/2007
Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines Scandal as:
“… an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense. Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.” (C.C.C. par.2284 and par. 2285)
LOS ANGELES (Catholic Online) – Just as the Catholic faithful were breathing a sigh of relief that the underlying issues which gave rise to the sexual scandals of the past were being addressed; a new event now holds the Catholic Church up to ridicule and mockery. A week after the notorious “Folsom Street Fair”, where various homosexual groups marched through the Streets of San Francisco to call attention to their disordered sexual activities and chosen lifestyles, an event took place during Holy Mass on October 7, 2007 at the Most Holy Redeemer Parish in San Francisco which belies belief… The participants are a part of a fringe minority within the homosexual community who now demand that such behaviors be protected by law as some kind of new “right”.
catholic.org/images/ins_news/2007102619.jpg
A group of homosexual activists called “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence”, men who wear makeup and dress as Catholic nuns.
Members of the “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence”, one of the groups which has regularly promoted and participated in the “Folsom Street Fair” attended Sunday Mass at Most Holy Redeemer. This particular Liturgy was presided over by the city’s Archbishop George Niederauer. The protagonists appear to have known the Bishop was going to be present and they had timed their activity accordingly. This activist group is openly and notoriously anti-Catholic. They mock the Catholic Church and all that Catholics hold dear. They engage in Blasphemy as sport. This day, as usual, they wore the outlandish outfits which are obviously intended to mock consecrated women religious.
Their attendance was intended to shock regular Mass goers and call attention to themselves. However, for these extremists that was not sufficient. They intentionally came forward and placed themselves in the communion line in order to receive the Most Holy Eucharist, the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. When a Catholic receives this Sacrament, he or she attests to being in the full communion of the Catholic Church. In other words, the communicant is publicly saying that they accept everything taught by what is called the Magisterium, the teaching office of the Catholic Church. Clearly this was not the case with these bizarrely attired visitors.
Full article
Scandal in San Francisco
By Catholic Online
10/13/2007
Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines Scandal as:
“… an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense. Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.” (C.C.C. par.2284 and par. 2285)
LOS ANGELES (Catholic Online) – Just as the Catholic faithful were breathing a sigh of relief that the underlying issues which gave rise to the sexual scandals of the past were being addressed; a new event now holds the Catholic Church up to ridicule and mockery. A week after the notorious “Folsom Street Fair”, where various homosexual groups marched through the Streets of San Francisco to call attention to their disordered sexual activities and chosen lifestyles, an event took place during Holy Mass on October 7, 2007 at the Most Holy Redeemer Parish in San Francisco which belies belief… The participants are a part of a fringe minority within the homosexual community who now demand that such behaviors be protected by law as some kind of new “right”.
catholic.org/images/ins_news/2007102619.jpg
A group of homosexual activists called “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence”, men who wear makeup and dress as Catholic nuns.
Members of the “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence”, one of the groups which has regularly promoted and participated in the “Folsom Street Fair” attended Sunday Mass at Most Holy Redeemer. This particular Liturgy was presided over by the city’s Archbishop George Niederauer. The protagonists appear to have known the Bishop was going to be present and they had timed their activity accordingly. This activist group is openly and notoriously anti-Catholic. They mock the Catholic Church and all that Catholics hold dear. They engage in Blasphemy as sport. This day, as usual, they wore the outlandish outfits which are obviously intended to mock consecrated women religious.
Their attendance was intended to shock regular Mass goers and call attention to themselves. However, for these extremists that was not sufficient. They intentionally came forward and placed themselves in the communion line in order to receive the Most Holy Eucharist, the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. When a Catholic receives this Sacrament, he or she attests to being in the full communion of the Catholic Church. In other words, the communicant is publicly saying that they accept everything taught by what is called the Magisterium, the teaching office of the Catholic Church. Clearly this was not the case with these bizarrely attired visitors.
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Iwesshome
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Although I am one that favors rights for homosexuals I will agree though that this event was a shameful mockery of the Catholic church. It’s one thing for a person to be gay and there is another for them to dress as nuns, use the names they did and then on top of it the Archbishop condone this act within a religious facility. No matter what religion this could have effected there is a principle of respect one WILL show towards that order no matter your religious or sexual beliefs.
In some ways I feel he might have tried to show tolerance his priority and duty as Archbishop is maintaining the integrity of the church.
In some ways I feel he might have tried to show tolerance his priority and duty as Archbishop is maintaining the integrity of the church.
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Mannyfit75
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For one I am deeply sadden and offended. I don’t know why grown adult men who are gay would dare mock our worship by receiving the Eucharist in the state of mortal sin. I find their actions almost childlike and immature.
I don’t think Archbishop George Niederauer apology was not good enough. I mean his reasonings for excusing himself to give communion to men who we clearly see lacks common sense. If a priest or anyone see someone who we all know are gay and belong to an organization who has a history of mocking Christianity (particularly Catholic Christians), goes and approach the Blessed Eucharist, he must DENY them communion.
Perhaps, the bishop is OLD. I do give him credit for apologizing but I think he needs to press charges against those men who mock him.
I don’t think Archbishop George Niederauer apology was not good enough. I mean his reasonings for excusing himself to give communion to men who we clearly see lacks common sense. If a priest or anyone see someone who we all know are gay and belong to an organization who has a history of mocking Christianity (particularly Catholic Christians), goes and approach the Blessed Eucharist, he must DENY them communion.
Perhaps, the bishop is OLD. I do give him credit for apologizing but I think he needs to press charges against those men who mock him.
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Holly3278
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I heard that the bishop apologized for his actions and acknowledged that he was in the wrong. I, for one, accept his apology.
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Iwesshome
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I disagree with you Dee Dee King. In my opinion I look at what he has been doing is showing that both Religion and Tolerance can coexist even if I disagree to his recent actions. I am not going to debate Homosexual rights and Same Sex marriage on a religious forum but I believe that a person can devote themselves to a religious following and have free will in their own beliefs. The tricky part is how to correctly balance the two when one disagrees with the other.
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