"We can't take this anymore", Holy Redeemer Parishoners want Rome to clean up the Church

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bobzills said:
Since when do the Catholic hierarchy promote this type of activity in Catholic Church parish halls? Is this something new since Vatican II? Perhaps the Catholic teaching on this has been changed since the second Vatican council?
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Let me reassure you, the hierarchy did not promote these activities. If anything has happened here it is a discipline problem. I do not know how much the Archbishop knows or has known about the issue, so I do not want to make any judgments on that. However, at the least the hierarchy as a whole (the Vatican, etc) did not sanction or approve these things.

One of the great testaments to the Church’s veracity is that it has survived with the purity of its doctrine intact for its entire history, despite the corruption of some of the humans involved with it. God assures that His Church remains the true guide for Christians. And the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence will find that their assaults upon the Church’s truth will avail nothing.
 
GrassTopsUSA Commentary
By Sydney Whitmyer
10-23-07

As a practicing Catholic, nothing is more insulting to me than when I see the homosexual community being intolerant, not only toward those who believe in a moral standard, but more so toward the Catholic Church!

The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, have continually tried to make a mockery of the Catholic Church’s stance on sexuality

grasstopsusa.com/sw102307.html
 
rien said:
I honestly think you should look at “truth” outside of just Chritianity. I found the SSPX wanting and have left Christianity alltoghere.

Read about Islam. Not what right wing radio tells you. What Islamic sources tell you.

The Koran is so more - what can I say - holistic.

No blur about “truth” - works vs faith or both. Why is Scripture so hard to understand! The Trinity which is not explicit in the Bible - let’s be honest.

I am not saying Islam is the truth. I am saying if you are discouraged you need to look futher than the SSPX. Be bold and consider non-Christian faiths.
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I could no more leave the Catholic Church than I could slap Jesus in the face–no matter how discouraged I get. Didn’t Jesus and Paul predict that his Church (and the world) would have these kinds of problems? The important thing is to remain faithful.

There is nothing wrong with the Bible when you read it with the eyes of the Church. It makes sense. Sure its difficult, but people need to educate themselves in accord with their capacities. And if you are a reasonably smart guy there aren’t many excuses. Also, there is something for the simpleminded as well as for the deep thinker.

Furthermore, the Bible gives us something that the Koran or other religions does not: the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is nothing more beautiful or true.
 
There are a few important points I’d like to address.

Although greatly tempted we should take care to have compassion for these very sick pro-homosexuals parading in church. Have compassion for the priests who may have found it difficult to overcome the temptation to condemn and disallow reception of the Body of Christ. The point is that we need to remember to be people of compassion – not condemnation.

While it is true that most Catholic religious and laypeople around the world love the Church and try to uphold all the teachings to the best of their ability there are sprinkled among the Shepherds of the Church a number of wolves in sheep’s clothing and false shepherds. Even those wolves and shepherds in false clothing need our compassion and prayers. Jesus has given us enough instruction to discern between good and evil.

I see a war between good and evil. Based on the numbers responding to this thread, clearly others see it too. The devil is so very close to physically persecuting Catholics that he is breathing foul air on the walls of the Church. We can be certain that Catholics can and will suffer even more as the laws in this country and elsewhere around the world degenerate and favor the sin of homosexuality. Already many suffer from persecution with or without knowing it. This suffering is far reaching. God knows of our suffering. What is important is that Catholics maintain Faith in Christ and His Church in these times of persecution.
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
proof positive of the american church sad state. i think this bishop is trying to not rock the boat. he wants to be everyone’s friend at the expense of the truth. the bottom line is if you speak the truth, people will attack you as they did Jesus and the apostles.
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That is what Catholics call persecution. Are Christians ready for the blow? It is coming.
 
rien said:
I honestly think you should look at “truth” outside of just Chritianity. I found the SSPX wanting and have left Christianity alltoghere.

Read about Islam. Not what right wing radio tells you. What Islamic sources tell you.

The Koran is so more - what can I say - holistic.

No blur about “truth” - works vs faith or both. Why is Scripture so hard to understand! The Trinity which is not explicit in the Bible - let’s be honest.

I am not saying Islam is the truth. I am saying if you are discouraged you need to look futher than the SSPX. Be bold and consider non-Christian faiths.
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The Koran may be holistic to a certain degree, but it is NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH. Not by a long shot. JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH. Christianity is not just about what Jesus represents in the Gospel. CHRISTIANITY IS A MAN. AND THAT MAN IS JESUS CHRIST. JESUS IS THE TRUTH, THE LIFE, AND THE WAY. AND JESUS ESTABLISHED HIS CHURCH OVER 2000 YEARS AGO. IT IS CALLED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Yes, The Church has had her problems, but that in no way makes The Church invalid. No matter the problems and abuses The Church has suffered in the past IT IS STILL THE CHURCH ESTABLISHED BY JESUS. HOW COULD IT BE ANYTHING BUT THE WHOLE TRUTH? Non Christian religions are a pretty far cry from the WHOLE truth.
The Koran and Islam in many ways are a total opposite of the Gospels of Jesus. (I believe they have had their problems too in the not too far past:rolleyes: I don’t recall Jesus stating anywhere that Christians were to slaughter innocent people in the name of Christianity:rolleyes: as the radical Islamists have declared about Islam)
 
Beautiful said:
That is what Catholics call persecution. Are Christians ready for the blow? It is coming.
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Yes, Jesus told us outright that we would suffer persecution in His Name. If one is really and truly a follower of Jesus, he will in fact be persecuted. Maybe by his family, maybe by his own parish, maybe by his own diocese. I think He told us to expect it from ANY source. Of course it is difficult and will become even more difficult as time goes on. ** But the fact of the matter is if you profess yourself to be a follower of Jesus, are you going to pick** up your cross and follow Jesus or are you not? We are supposed to be in the world but not OF the world. Followers of Christ have their eyes on THE PRIZE. (Heaven) The comforts and pleasures of this world wilt and die like flowers in the field. Personally I don’t really want to come to Judgement and have Jesus say to me, “go away, I don’t know you!”
 
Teelynn said:
Yes, Jesus told us outright that we would suffer persecution in His Name. If one is really and truly a follower of Jesus, he will in fact be persecuted. Maybe by his family, maybe by his own parish, maybe by his own diocese. I think He told us to expect it from ANY source. Of course it is difficult and will become even more difficult as time goes on. ** But the fact of the matter is if you profess yourself to be a follower of Jesus, are you going to pick** up your cross and follow Jesus or are you not? We are supposed to be in the world but not OF the world. Followers of Christ have their eyes on THE PRIZE. (Heaven) The comforts and pleasures of this world wilt and die like flowers in the field. Personally I don’t really want to come to Judgement and have Jesus say to me, “go away, I don’t know you!”
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Precisely. We must always be ready. We are live each day in hope. Benedict XVI predicted a smaller Church. Which I think is all for the good. Trust in God.
 
bones_IV said:
Precisely. We must always be ready. We are live each day in hope. Benedict XVI predicted a smaller Church. Which I think is all for the good. Trust in God.
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I keep hearing about Benedict and the smaller church thing. Anyone have a link?
 
yugnok said:
I keep hearing about Benedict and the smaller church thing. Anyone have a link?
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The New York Times spoke of it in a 5/29/2005 article.

It is a “Week in Review” analysis piece though citing some of his pre-Papal works which seemed to have been in context of the growing secularism in Europe. One should take it with a grain of salt of course, and if the article has any accuracy to it, this is not something the Holy Father sees as a good thing.

For what it’s worth, the article I found:
nytimes.com/2005/05/29/weekinreview/29fisher.html
 
Arnobius said:
The New York Times spoke of it in a 5/29/2005 article.

It is a “Week in Review” analysis piece though citing some of his pre-Papal works which seemed to have been in context of the growing secularism in Europe. One should take it with a grain of salt of course, and if the article has any accuracy to it, this is not something the Holy Father sees as a good thing.

For what it’s worth, the article I found:
nytimes.com/2005/05/29/weekinreview/29fisher.html
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In what way wouldn’t a smaller and holier Church be a good thing?
 
bones_IV said:
In what way wouldn’t a smaller and holier Church be a good thing?
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I was merely conveying the sense of the article, though I can see a problem with it if it makes the Church become a clique mentality or becomes a sense of the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector.

If those attitudes arose, it would be a problem.

The difficulty is of course balancing the need for the staunch defense of the truth in the Church with the attitude required in the Parable of the lost sheep.

Both attitudes are necessary.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
They don’t permit it… in fact they refused to let them run their bingo in the church hall anymore (over a year ago)

thesisters.org/revivalbingo_lostlease.html
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When the laity cried out over the bare-chested bingo, it was stopped. Unfortunately, the AB didn’t tell the Church that the SPI and other transvestites were never to use the parish for their functions. He really needs to be clear about what is and what is not allowed in this parish. Some other events were pulled from their calendar after this last outrage. Hopefully they are really pulled and not just not announced in the bulletin. I’m still waiting for some standard rules banning all of this crud.
 
Beautiful said:
There are a few important points I’d like to address.
Although greatly tempted we should take care to have compassion for these very sick pro-homosexuals parading in church. Have compassion for the priests who may have found it difficult to overcome the temptation to condemn and disallow reception of the Body of Christ. The point is that we need to remember to be people of compassion – not condemnation.
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bear06 said:
Yes, but compassion isn’t throwing others under the bus so we can wear the inclusive and tolerant button. It’s truly educating people as to Our Lord’s teachings.
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It reminds me of what our Blessed Lord said, “Woe to those who cause my little ones to sin.”
 
bear06 said:
Yes, but compassion isn’t throwing others under the bus so we can wear the inclusive and tolerant button. It’s truly educating people as to Our Lord’s teachings. This was perfect opportunity for the AB. He missed it. Hopefully, he’ll use this opportunity to declare the Church’s teachings. The priests at this parish do a little more than just find it difficult to condmen and disallow reception of Communion. They encourage just the opposite.

Agreed.
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rien said:
But srp, the Bay Area is no backwater. Almost 8 million folks. Number 4 behind Chicago and catching up.

This heresy went on under JP2 in SF and Benedict appointed Levada, who is almost as bad
IMO, to a top Vatucan post. Then appointed Neiderhauuser to the Bay Area.
What am I to make of that?.

I lost my faith during the ren
ighn of JP2 and Benedict just reaffirmes that.

Sorry for being so blunt. What can I say; I really think few in the Vatican believe anymore. If they did this would not be allowed for a New York minute.
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Never said SF was backwater. It appears you place way too much emphasis on men and not nearly enough on Christ and his teachings. Think spiritual not political. The Church has started moving forward with Tradition once again since it knows Tradition adheres to what Christ taught. This will take time. The Vatican will be cleaned out eventually. We have the last 40 years to fix.
 
srp643 said:
The Church has started moving forward with Tradition once again …
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Are you sure about this? I still see altar girls and I see women giving out Holy Communion in the hand. Women are not wearing headcovering in Church. How is this a movement toward tradition?
 
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