We had Mormons at Mass on Sunday!

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If you think about it carefully, it would make sense. We are all brothers and sisters. How did satan become satan? The mormons have a pretty good answer to that question, with their war in heaven theory. Satan was cast out of heaven because of his selfishness. His followers followed him and lost their chance for physical bodies. Hence, their anger that we have physical bodies and they do much to destroy our bodies since we are told to keep our bodies holy as a temple of god.

And yes, satan and christ do seem to be brothers since god also created satan who was not satan but the son of the morning. Satan became satan at the time of his rebellion.
Your comment is blasphemous. Jesus is not a created being, but was “begotten of the Holy Spirit and became man”. That Jesus was created is JW heresy. Jesus and Satan are most certainly NOT brothers, that is a mormon heresy. Please justify your offensive comment.
 
And yet, I have never claimed that catholics were not christian. In fact, I have made no such claims against any faith that claims to be christian. However, I would draw the line with certified cults that brainwash individuals centered around one strong leader.
Like mormonism, for example.
 
We had a [post=2247296]bat in the chapel[/post] once, but never Mormons! :eek:

To prevent bats, keep the doors & windows closed after dark – Not sure how to keep out Mormons. 😛

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We don’t need to keep them out of the church, just out of the magisterium :eek:
 
Please understand that I have also read such sights and was at one time taken in by them. However, the more I searched contrary sources to the antimormon sight, I soon discovered that although the antimormon sights do a wonderful play on words, the other side, the promormon side do have answers.

I am not a professional mormon apologist but I have taken part in many apologetic discussion on the lds apologetic board to realize that most antimormon sites do blow hot air. Unfortunately, many mormons ar gullible and fall for such sights.

I am sure that it is no different for catholics who come across anticatholic sites.
You are incredibly naive. I have visited many sites exposing the truth about mormon theology who use mormon “scripture” and official mormon theology to reveal the abberations in mormon belief. I have read and studied mormon publications, apologetic material and documents produced and published by the mormon organization and I have found little or no deviation between official mormon doctrine and the material found on so-called antimormon sites. The mormon organization is condemned out of it’s own mouth. Witness the twisting and turning by zerinus in his attempts to justify embarrassing mormon beliefs.
 
who did what first?
The LDS Church did not acknowledge the validity of Catholic baptism long before the Catholic Church decided to return the favor! 🙂
I was not being facetious.
I know. I was! 😃
Unless there is agreement on the meaning of the Trinity, no other religion’s baptism would be valid regardless of the words or formula used.
Is that your personal belief, or are you stating the Catholic Church’s position? If it is your personal belief, then you are entitled to that belief, and I respect your opinion; but if you are attempting to state the Catholic Church’s position, then you are mistaken. That is not the position that the Catholic Church has historically taken on that issue—like it or not.

zerinus
 
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hosemonkey:
Your comment is blasphemous. Jesus is not a created being, but was “begotten of the Holy Spirit and became man”. That Jesus was created is JW heresy. Jesus and Satan are most certainly NOT brothers, that is a mormon heresy. Please justify your offensive comment.
Okay, your turn. Who created satan? If god is the creator of all things, why did he create satan?
 
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hosemonkey:
Your comment is blasphemous. Jesus is not a created being, but was “begotten of the Holy Spirit and became man”. That Jesus was created is JW heresy. Jesus and Satan are most certainly NOT brothers, that is a mormon heresy. Please justify your offensive comment.

Why Does that suprise you - Mormonism was founded on Blasphemy

I might with boldness proclaim from the housetops that God never had the power to create the spirit of man at all. God himself could not create himself…Knowledge saves a man; and in the world of spirits no man can be exalted but by knowledge

The King Follet Sermon By President Joseph Smith, Sunday, April 7, 1844. History of the Church, Volume 6, page 302.

Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet…" (Joseph Smith from the Mormon book, History of the Church Vol. 6, pp. 408-409)
 
Okay, your turn. Who created satan? If god is the creator of all things, why did he create satan?
I notice that mormons seem to do a lot of dodging and redirecting. Is Jesus a created being or not, according to mormon theology? If He is considered created, mormonism is utterly unbiblical.
 
Much speculation was put forward about the mark of cain and their ancestors. This is where it all began. The speculation focused on Africans and the mark of cain.

Excommunicated mormons can also attend their service but they cannot partake of the sacrament or hold church positions. I think that I am correct on this.
In Mormonism, the mark of Cain is not speculation, it is scripture.
…the seed of Cain was black, and had not place among them. - *The Book of Moses *7:4 (spurious)
No one except virulent racists believe that the mark of Cain was a black skin. Joseph Smith made it scripture.

Lord have mercy,
Paul
 
Okay, your turn. Who created satan? If god is the creator of all things, why did he create satan?
God did not create Satan. God created Lucifer, an angel with free will. Lucifer, through his own pride and rebellion against God, became Satan.

If we were in the Star Wars universe, we could say God did not create Darth Vader. God created Anakin Skywalker. Anakin, through his pride and rebellion, became Darth Vader. I have used this example with my kids. They gor the point.

Paul
 
Thank you. And as you must know since you have visited the mormon apologetic site, that I am procatholic on that forum. I must say that Pantsman on the mormon forum can get some negatives about the catholic faith, but no one can write anticatholic paragraphs and get away with it.
Yes, I have read your posts and you once called me anticatholic for posting that the Catholic church believes that it is the authority when it comes to Christianity.

By supporting mormon beliefs you are in a way anticatholic. While at the same time, in the support of Catholic beliefs you are in a way antimormon. Their theologies are so far from each other that believing one is rejecting the other. To say that you believe both, is to reject both.
 
It is due to a commandment received by revelation from the Lord, known among us as the Wrod of Wisdom, and published as Section 89 of the Doctrine and Covenants. You can read it here.

Yes, they do.

They don’t believe in the Trinity of traditional Christendom (the three in one and one in three idea); but they believe in the Trinity of the Bible, that is, three distinct and separate beings: the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
zerinus
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

So, does this quote include not just coffee and tea, but beverages like hot chocolate and apple cider?

And, it sounds like you believe in multiple “gods”? Is that correct?
 
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

So, does this quote include not just coffee and tea, but beverages like hot chocolate and apple cider?

And, it sounds like you believe in multiple “gods”? Is that correct?
It has been interpreted in the Church as referring to tea and coffee. However, it may include other beverages. For example, in South America they have a brewed hot drink called mate. They drink it boiling hot! When the missionaries who were out there inquired from the Church headquarters whether they should drink it or not, word came that they should not. It is included in the prohibition.

zerinus
 
Yes, I have read your posts and you once called me anticatholic for posting that the Catholic church believes that it is the authority when it comes to Christianity.

By supporting mormon beliefs you are in a way anticatholic. While at the same time, in the support of Catholic beliefs you are in a way antimormon. Their theologies are so far from each other that believing one is rejecting the other. To say that you believe both, is to reject both.
I don’t believe that I ever called you anticatholic for what you just said. To my knowledge I have called no one any names. Why would I call you anticatholic for the statement you just made. It sounds very catholic to me.

Let me make this clear to you. The lds church and the catholic church are not enemies when it comes to morality and what a moral and god-like life means. Both faiths can work together over moral issues. In fact, listening to EWTN I can see Mormon influence when they advise young people to dress modestly and abstain from excess alcohol consumption. I do believe that many catholics at EWTN do wish that catholic youth have the moral code that lds youth live by.

My problem with this board is its antimormonism. To me, it is just plain unchristian and flies in the face about the what the bible teaches.

I would say the same if I found a group of mormons on a message board railing against the catholic faith, calling the pope names such as nutjob as done on this board about BY. And so, when it comes to both faiths I am anti no one. I am however, pro-good people who are willing to attempt to put god’s word into their lives and embrace good, christain values, with their own (human) imperfections and struggles. Why the war? 🤷
 
God did not create Satan. God created Lucifer, an angel with free will. Lucifer, through his own pride and rebellion against God, became Satan.

If we were in the Star Wars universe, we could say God did not create Darth Vader. God created Anakin Skywalker. Anakin, through his pride and rebellion, became Darth Vader. I have used this example with my kids. They gor the point.

Paul
And who created Christ? He must have been created also. If Christ is Father then, Lucifer is the son of Christ. But if god created both christ and lucifer, they are brothers.

Where have I missed something? :confused:
 
In Mormonism, the mark of Cain is not speculation, it is scripture.

No one except virulent racists believe that the mark of Cain was a black skin. Joseph Smith made it scripture.

Lord have mercy,
Paul
Yes I know that. But I was referring to African Americans and the speculation centered around their biblical lineage. The controversy centers around the ‘mark’ that was put on cain.This is where there was much speculation in the past.

What do you think the mark was that was put on cain in the old testament?
 
My problem with this board is its antimormonism. To me, it is just plain unchristian and flies in the face about the what the bible teaches.
Don’t worry; the rabid “anti-Mormonism” which gives Catholics here a bad name comes from Mormon apostates who pursue their own private agendas, not genuine Catholics. True Catholics are pretty decent folks, I am pleased to say.

zerinus
 
I don’t believe that I ever called you anticatholic for what you just said. To my knowledge I have called no one any names. Why would I call you anticatholic for the statement you just made. It sounds very catholic to me.

Let me make this clear to you. The lds church and the catholic church are not enemies when it comes to morality and what a moral and god-like life means. Both faiths can work together over moral issues. In fact, listening to EWTN I can see Mormon influence when they advise young people to dress modestly and abstain from excess alcohol consumption. I do believe that many catholics at EWTN do wish that catholic youth have the moral code that lds youth live by.

My problem with this board is its antimormonism. To me, it is just plain unchristian and flies in the face about the what the bible teaches.

I would say the same if I found a group of mormons on a message board railing against the catholic faith, calling the pope names such as nutjob as done on this board about BY. And so, when it comes to both faiths I am anti no one. I am however, pro-good people who are willing to attempt to put god’s word into their lives and embrace good, christain values, with their own (human) imperfections and struggles. Why the war? 🤷
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Gal. 1:8)

There is the problem with mormonism. Mormonism teaches a strange “gospel” with multiple “gods” and all sorts of wierdness that sprung from the fevered mind of Joseph Smith. There is no scriptural basis for mormonism and it is in error. So, if someone (mormonism) comes around selling snake oil, I’m going to tell it like it is. Doesn’t have anything to do whether mormons are good people or not, it has to do with the deception and false teaching of the mormon organization.
 
Don’t worry; the rabid “anti-Mormonism” which gives Catholics here a bad name comes from Mormon apostates who pursue their own private agendas, not genuine Catholics. True Catholics are pretty decent folks, I am pleased to say.

zerinus
This is true. I tend to forget that fact. The catholics that I hang with are not biased at all. But we also need to remember that the Internet give people an ‘unface’ behind their words. I am sure that in person the people who write antimormon sentences are decent people.
 
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