We have a POPE!!!!

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Mrs_Sally said:
YEs, everyone involved in the conclave swears an oath of secrecy. However, someone may had said more than they should. Also, over time, reporters and others could possible piece together little bits said here and there by a variety of people and built this conclusion. If you notice, all reports about that say things like “it is generally thought” or “some say…” In other words no reporter knows for sure and no one who was in the conclave is confirming. But after we read about it in 4 or 5 different places, everyone believes it is the absolute truth. 🤷
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“Loose lips sink ships”

Right, it might just be a reconstruction from little morsels of information here and there, and not necessarily a leak.
 
I like his humility and the simplicity of his life. But, one thing my mom said that I can’t get out of my mind, and I hope it’s not disrespectful to ask: he wants to be Pope, right? She thought his humility may have made him uncomfortable being the leader of the Church. I know, it’s silly. :o
 
JMJSHJ said:
Documents don’t just leak anywhere and since the ballots are burned either way it would have come from a person who swore an oath that bears excommunication upon penalty.
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Well, we know for sure that documents have been leaked from the Vatican. The ballots are burned but I guess the voting is somewhat documented. 🤷

Anyways, it’s all just hearsay.
 
JamesCaruso said:
Don’t be quick to judge. I did not say one word against Pope Francis. How could I? I never heard of him until today. I know nothing about him except what I have read here or heard in the media, and that is not much.

The virtue of humility would be difficult to evaluate on the basis of a single TV appearance. I appreciated Pope Francis’s praise of Pope Emeritus Benedict, and I appreciated his humble request for us to pray for him [Pope Francis]. I also appreciated his choice of Francis for his Papal name. Francis is my favorite saint, apart from Mary and Joseph.

We should all pray that God speaks to the world and to the Church through Pope Francis, just as God spoke to the world and the Church through Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul II before him. We have been very fortunate to have had very good Popes over the last 100 years.

Pope Francis is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. The Church is not a democracy. I pray that he does well as leader of the Church.
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I’m not judging anyone. I just find it hard to understand when I see people questioning the Pope, trying to paint him as ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’, or thinking he is a ‘big stick’ meant to beat a particular group of people.

He has only had one international appearance, that I know of; however, I read as much as I could yesterday, some of which was looking for answers of unsubstantiated ‘accusations.’ From what I saw, and read, he is a humble man, and I found a growing respect with everything I read.

He is our example to follow; we are not his to follow. No matter what the Church’s history of men is, the Church still stands and is doctrinally correct. Let every soul be subject to higher powers. For there is no power but from God; and those ordained by God (Romans 13:1) We accept mysteries of God, that includes His will and how He institutes it.

Pray for him and let him act according to his calling.
 
mcrow said:
I’m not worried so much about how long his Papacy will be just thinking that before Pope Benedict we had JP2 (before I was Catholic). Even though I wasn’t Catholic I remember JP2 as a kid, so my first impression of Popes are they generally are around a long time.

I know that isn’t the case now, but when I became Catholic (still learning at that point) I thought maybe there would be 2-3 Popes during my life but obviously I was off a bit on that. 👍
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When I was a kid, I thought Paul VI would be there forever. Now 15 years does seem like forever.
My lifetime has now seen six…
ooo, i just dated myself…
 
Ridgerunner said:
Looking up the source, it appears to be SSPX, not SSPV as I previously speculated. I expect we’ll be seeing information from better sources in due time.

I am one of those who doesn’t condemn SSPX root and branch. I know a fair number of those folks and a lot of them are truly pious people and truly intend to live according to the doctrines of the Church. But there is an excessive, strain that runs through the thought processes of many of them; a strain that one might reasonably describe as paranoid. Many of them don’t even trust some of their own clerics.
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Once again, forgive my ignorance; forgive my lack of patience to run through many threads for the answer:

SSPX??
SSPV??
I’ll probably be :o for the answer.
 
jwinch2 said:
The picture of him being “blessed” by protestant ministers is disturbing actually, though to be fair, I do not know the context of that photo. However, today *he was very careful to be proper when he asked the faithful to pray for God to bless him, rather than directly asking for their blessing. *

Time will tell I suppose.
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good to know, since there is a difference…
 
matutemats said:
To attract people back to the Church by showing them the example to follow! 😉
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Long story as to why, but my favorite priest is a Jesuit, and NOT from the Church where I attend RCIA. I have already told him and his ‘pinch hitter’ that if they were of a Church nearby, I’d be there in a New York minute…his homilies are compassionate and terrific. HIts me every time…
 
matutemats said:
Why do you say this?
This might be a sign to unite Churches!
I haven’t read that web-page, I’m just replying from what I understand from you.
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It continues to truly pain me that we cannot see the worship of Christ as unifying in itself.
The methods are different, may the method be unified one day, and Praise be to God that the Christian Churches ALL know that Christ Died for us all and that that is unifying unto itself.
May God grant me the ability to express this more eloquently one day very soon.

I know nothing of this event, but just as I have knelt out of respect to Christ and the method of worship in a Catholic Church (prior to the desire of converting), just as I have lit a candle out of respect to Christ and the method of worship in another Christian Church, neither of which I was previously familiar, perhaps this was done out of respect for another faith and method of worshipping of the Same and Glorious Jesus Christ; not for agreement of it, but for acknowledging that despite the many methods, many road, we choose to follow The Way. The Lord Jesus Christ. In that, we are unified. For that, I praise God.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
The only thing I find aggravating is not something about our blessed new Pope, but something that the NYT and some others (even some Catholics) keep saying: “The future of the Church is in the south.”
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In reality, this is not even all that accurate. If they had been to South America in recent years, they would know that the Church is on the run there. I spent a few weeks in Brazil not that long ago. Everywhere I went there were new protestant Churches springing up, mostly Assembly of God, but some others as well. Masses were less than half full, with the exception of a shrine that we visited. The number of Catholics is dropping there faster than it is the rest of the world. Those that actually do stay Christians are becoming Protestant at an alarming rate, while many are just becoming secularized. Those Catholics that are staying Catholic dissent from Church teachings in a number of predictable areas. I am not entirely sure what the percentage of faithful orthodox Catholics would be in South America, or even in Brazil specifically, but it is very low indeed, probably about the same as anywhere else.

In short, anyone who think that South America is some sort of bastion of Catholicism is sadly and highly mistaken. I wish it were true, but it isn’t.
 
Lucky7 said:
I’ll tell you right now it disturbs me as well. I have a husband who is questioning our Church and this sort of thing will NOT help in bringing about reinstating his full faith in the Church.
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I sadly concur.
 
Tigg said:
The election of the pope is a spiritual matter - you really do not believe that the Spirit influences men of prayer while Catholics the world over have been on their knees since the announcement of Benedict’s resignation?
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I believe what he is suggesting is that yes, the Holy Spirit can guide the electors, but only if they are willing to listen and cooperate with God’s influence. God does not force, and thus the Cardinals are entirely capable of electing a man who was not God’s choice.

I am not saying that has happened here, and I don’t believe he is either, merely trying to shed some light on how I interpreted the post you replied to above.
 
jwinch2 said:
I believe what he is suggesting is that yes, the Holy Spirit can guide the electors, but only if they are willing to listen and cooperate with God’s influence. God does not force, and thus the Cardinals are entirely capable of electing a man who was not God’s choice.
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Thank you for clarifying and I do not really disagree. I would only say that the man elected regardless of personal motivation or character, has a limited role, so to speak, as Christ is still the head of His Church and any events and consequences which will unfold in the future, will ultimately and always serve the Will of God regardless of human mistakes.
 
kelvinf said:
I was very happy to see a news channel (which is not Catholic(!)) have as headline:

The World has a new Pope!

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Like the title of this thread: “We have Pope”. The “we” does not only refer to us Catholics, but rather, the World! 👍
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Indeed! My boss, who isn’t Catholic, came to my office and after the blessing (they had been watching in their office) and said to me, “So we have a new Pope…well I guess he’s not *my *Pope…” and I told her that he was her Pope because Catholic means universal so he was everyone’s Pope. I stopped short of getting technical and saying that the Orthodox might put it quite a bit differently and decided to keep it simple.
 
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