We need to stop worrying about who is “right.”

[farronwolf]

Mortal sins send folks to hell.

Yep, and what does it take to have that moral sin. If one has no idea they are sinning are they damned?

I did not miss it what the OP was questioning.

 

[c4csp]

Yep, and what does it take to have that moral sin. If one has no idea they are sinning are they damned?

I did not miss it what the OP was questioning.

Well, three conditions

1. Grave evil
2. Knowledge of the sin being gravely evil
3. Deliberate consent of the will

All three can very well be achieved by Protestants. Protestants know very well what sin is and they cannot claim ignorance. This is why their souls are in jeopardy. They read the Bible, they pray, etc. They are not completely ignorant to not commit a mortal sin. They are adhering to the heretical doctrine of once saved always saved and living in mortal sin. This is why it matters greatly who is right.

This is why Catholics like myself will state Catholic doctrine because we are charitable and care about their souls. Others who are indifferent to objective truth and say to just get along are not charitable. They are being complicit in keeping people in mortal sin and jeopardizing their souls.

 

[farronwolf]

You are lumping all Protestants together, not such a good thing.

Was the OP referring to people who nothing of God or Jesus, not certain since after the first bit of posting they bowed out.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

I think truth is used in a greater way when we use it to change ourselves, rather than use it to try and change others…

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Right is subjective.

You don’t actually believe this.

:woman_technologist:t2:

 

[Anrakyr]

You don’t actually believe this.

It took me a while to understand it. When you believe truth is subjective you are talking about facts as much as you are how we approach facts.

Yes the sky is blue but to a butterfly it’s not. To a colour blind person it can be but we don’t know till we look into it.
We have to keep an open mind. What’s moral for you may not be for me. We have to understand the difference of sex, creed, philosophy. What offends you may not offend me.
Status, age and culture. These are all points we have to consider. To blanket say “this is always wrong,” is to deny circumstances to be considered. You close yourself off from possibilities for no other reason then blind morality.

If truth isn’t subjective you wouldn’t have the catechism to explain when and where to apply morality.

Otherwise the Ten Commandments and Beatitudes would be enough.

 

[fhansen]

Don’t you think that Charlie’s approach is more likely to lead a person to Christ, even if he never spouts a word of “strictly Catholic doctrine’ unless asked, and when asked, does so with joy and affirmation, than Ellen’s would?

Charlie’s approach would certainly be more likely to lead a properly disposed and oriented person to Christ. And his actions would be consistent with love as well. If we were to love perfectly, as God does, which is the goal, then our actions would align closely to Charlie’s as I see it. Because we don’t possess that kind of perfection yet, we also need to hear, from the Church, her teachings on faith and morals.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Under what circumstances would it be okay to torture a child?

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

I did, actually. Thank you for asking.

But back to your assertion— you claim that “right” is purely subjective.
I take that to mean you believe there are no moral absolutes. Is that correct?

And if you believe there are no moral absolutes, then. . . .

 

[StudentMI]

I think the problem is following moral relativism to its actual limits. Many moral relativists are afraid to do so, it seems. What you get isn’t a secular humanist view of society but something more along the lines of the Marquis de Sade.

 

[Anrakyr]

I did, actually. Thank you for asking.

You managed to ask a loaded question, appeal to the absurd and beg the question all in one go.

I’d work on that.

But back to your assertion

This always ends well…

you claim that “right” is purely subjective.

Did I say purely at any point? That maybe what you heard but it’s not what I said.

I also qualified my point by making easy to understand comparisons. Points you are not addressing at all.

And if you believe there are no moral absolutes

Did I say that? I said the truth is subjective. You have to be objective about facts. Life is complicated and you need to be willing to take each step of life with careful consideration. Things can change fast and if you cookie cutter everything you’ll always leave something out.

You are a bright individual. I’m confident in your ability to appreciate it.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

You managed to ask a loaded question, appeal to the absurd and beg the question all in one go.

It’s not absurd.
Child abuse happens all the time.
In fact, it is such a reality that we have Mandated Reporters to alert authorities to suspected cases.

And so…are there moral abolutes.