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Duane1966
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I only admitted that I should have used lowercase t instead of uppercase t. As to the rest of your argument, you still have not answered why gunaika must be translated as wife in Corinthians, but it is translated as women when it comes to dealing with women traveling with Jesus in Matthew and Luke. It could just as easily be translated as wives meaning Jesus was married, but you would never accept that. I also asked you why you use definitions for celibate that are not in the dictionary, you did not answer.It seems to me that, having lost the argument, you are shifting ground. Your response is an admission that the apostles were married and there is no indication they were continent with their wives as a matter of policy.
But I will bear with you, for a minute at least. If I say the sun rises in the east, as a result of personal observation, will you find fault with that? If I find the Bible says something, as a result of research, will you find fault with that, even if the M. has not ruled on the verse? That seems to be what you are saying.
I am not saying that I am even correct in the end. I am not dictating what you are to believe, I am not forcing my belief on you over and against your own conscience, which is what the M. does, at least to Hefele and Berengar, if not to countless others. I am not trying to intimidate you into silence by saying I am the one in power, so believe me without hesitation or I will crush you and send you to hell.
I am saying what I am finding, and I am looking at what other people are saying, and there are holes in their positions. There are scholarly doubts among authoritative Catholics - Duane admitted that he was caught there - and the word is ‘life’ not ‘wife’ - and there is no verse in the Bible showing that the apostles and elders and overseers were continent with their wives. There is no such commandment. There are verses Paul wrote in telling Timothy what to look for in elders that said married men were the ones to go after, not the single men. And it goes on and on, and this is your response: to change the subject. It is a discipline: Anglican priests are not enjoined continence and neither are Eastern Catholics or Orthodox, to my knowledge. It is man-made tradition, as has been demonstrated and admitted, not Tradition, and yet this is the answer you give: change the subject. I am to be castigated and rebuked for acting like the M., when the M. has said it is a DISCIPLINE. You have not answered my objections except to do this: change the subject.
I had thought better of you.
As to the original translation, I am saying I am correct. The Douay-Rheims with commentary by Challoner
[1] Am not I free? Am not I an apostle? Have not I seen Christ Jesus our Lord? Are not you my work in the Lord? [2] And if unto others I be not an apostle, but yet to you I am. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. [3] My defence with them that do examine me is this. [4] Have not we power to eat and to drink? [5] Have we not power to carry about a woman, a sister, as well as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
[5] A woman, a sister: Some erroneous translators have corrupted this text by rendering it, a sister, a wife: whereas, it is certain, St. Paul had no wife (chap. 7 ver. 7, 8) and that he only speaks of such devout women, as, according to the custom of the Jewish nation, waited upon the preachers of the gospel, and supplied them with necessaries
The word is wife, this is the passage I was referring to;and the word is ‘life’ not ‘wife’
29n He said to them, “Amen, I say to you, there is no one who has given up house or** wife** or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30who will not receive [back] an overabundant return in this present age and eternal life in the age to come.”