Were there others present at the time of Adam?

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Apologies for my ignorance.

Adam and Eve had two sons etc who then had their own children etc and on and on the geneology goes.
But where did the other women come from for Cain and Abel and others to have their children.
Were there other people at Eden at this time, or was it a bit incestual in those days?

Or does the Bible leave room for various interpretations?

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Shalom

The bible is a prayer book and also a story book of faith and of salvation. The first five books were written in the promise land. The book of Genesis is a book of praising God who is the creator of heaven and earth the God who have save them from the Egyptians. What you read of the 1-2 chapter is way to express their love for God in his love for them.

Is there really Adam and Eve?
Don’t read it literary. But regarding the genealogy of people that is another matter.

God bless.
 
That is a question I have asked myself a million time until one day I can across this ,look at Genesis 6:1-8
I believe the supernatural they are talking about here must be fall angels …Did you see the movie city of the Angels maybe that would give you an idea of what I mean ,and don’t forget that in the Jewish religion at the time ,cousin could marry cousin ,or brother could marry brothers daughter etc …example:The Prophet Abraham in the Bible, married his sister and it was only after Mooses that the rule chance Leviticus 18:6-18
 
Shalom

The bible is a prayer book and also a story book of faith and of salvation. The first five books were written in the promise land. The book of Genesis is a book of praising God who is the creator of heaven and earth the God who have save them from the Egyptians. What you read of the 1-2 chapter is way to express their love for God in his love for them.

Is there really Adam and Eve?
Don’t read it literary. But regarding the genealogy of people that is another matter.

God bless.
Yes and Catholics are bound to believe that.

HUMANI GENERIS

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS THREATENING TO UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATIONS OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AUGUST 12, 1950
  1. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which through generation is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.
 
Apologies for my ignorance.

Adam and Eve had two sons etc who then had their own children etc and on and on the geneology goes.
But where did the other women come from for Cain and Abel and others to have their children.
Were there other people at Eden at this time, or was it a bit incestual in those days?

Or does the Bible leave room for various interpretations?

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Good morning, Chris,

I’ve often wondered if God made wives for Cain and Seth the same way He made Eve for Adam.

God loves you,
Don
 
Shalom

The bible is a prayer book and also a story book of faith and of salvation. The first five books were written in the promise land. The book of Genesis is a book of praising God who is the creator of heaven and earth the God who have save them from the Egyptians. What you read of the 1-2 chapter is way to express their love for God in his love for them.

Is there really Adam and Eve?
Don’t read it literary. But regarding the genealogy of people that is another matter.

God bless.
Per the Pontifical Biblical Commission in the early 1900’s, the Pentateuch was primarily written by Moses, and we know he never made it to the Promised Land. JEDP is a poor theory that was conceived to strengthen the Protestants position for being separated from the Church. They needed to make it look like the early “Church”, was also divisive.

There was absolutely an Adam and Eve and Scripture clearly states that they had many more children, other than Cain, Abel and Seth. They just are not named.

Genesis 5:4
After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

Pax Christi
 
Good morning, Chris,

I’ve often wondered if God made wives for Cain and Seth the same way He made Eve for Adam.

God loves you,
Don
Don, you shouldn’t wonder about that. That goes against the Church and Her doctrine on “Original Sin”. All humans trace back to Adam and Eve. It is that simple.

Pax Christi
 
Abel was murdered remember?

Did Adam and Eve not have other children?
Yes, they had other children.

Genesis 5:4
After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
 
Shocktrooper, so that implies brother and sisters “knew” one another in those early days?

I thought that may have been the case.
 
Shocktrooper, so that implies brother and sisters “knew” one another in those early days?

I thought that may have been the case.
From what I have gathered, yes, they had relations.
 
Abel was murdered remember?

Did Adam and Eve not have other children?
Good morning, Nelka,

Of course I remember, I wrote “…Cain and Seth…”. Didn’t you notice?

God loves you,
Don
 
Don, you shouldn’t wonder about that. That goes against the Church and Her doctrine on “Original Sin”. All humans trace back to Adam and Eve. It is that simple.

Pax Christi
Good morning, shocktooper,

Thanks for nudging me back onto the right path.

God loves you,
Don
 
Shocktrooper, so that implies brother and sisters “knew” one another in those early days?

I thought that may have been the case.
Good morning, crhis62,

Yes, that’s why the Mosaic law, and no other at that time, forbade marital relations between siblings and between parents and children: because that was common in those days.

As a matter of fact, every Commandment forbade behavior that everybody did, in those times.

God loves you,
Don
 
The Adam and Eve stories are the first primordial stories that were passed down through Jewish generations. The creation accounts of Genesis are not history books; but rather literary forms employed to describe primordial creation, and to present universal religious themes: that of the fatherhood of God, the free will of man, the disobedience of man, and the chance for salvation. The reader is not supposed to ask questions like, “who were Cain and Abel’s wives?” None of the biblical writers in fact know precisely how many people there were, or how things started out. Again, the earliest stories known concerned Adam and Eve and their family. No stories invovled other people, although of course a reasonable person reading seeking out historical facts would have to assume there were other people around at the time.

None of the Vatican statements on Adam and Eve are conclusive, but are somewhat vaguely worded, so as to verify the Adam and Eve story–that real primordial events are described–but without accounting for all associated historical details. We have to use our brains a little when reading this stuff, or we can begin to sink into the type of so-called thinking that avers there were no dinosaurs because they are not mentioned in the bible, there was no rain before the flood, etc.
 
The Adam and Eve stories are the first primordial stories that were passed down through Jewish generations. The creation accounts of Genesis are not history books; but rather literary forms employed to describe primordial creation, and to present universal religious themes: that of the fatherhood of God, the free will of man, the disobedience of man, and the chance for salvation. The reader is not supposed to ask questions like, “who were Cain and Abel’s wives?” None of the biblical writers in fact know precisely how many people there were, or how things started out. Again, the earliest stories known concerned Adam and Eve and their family. No stories invovled other people, although of course a reasonable person reading seeking out historical facts would have to assume there were other people around at the time.

None of the Vatican statements on Adam and Eve are conclusive, but are somewhat vaguely worded, so as to verify the Adam and Eve story–that real primordial events are described–but without accounting for all associated historical details. We have to use our brains a little when reading this stuff, or we can begin to sink into the type of so-called thinking that avers there were no dinosaurs because they are not mentioned in the bible, there was no rain before the flood, etc.
What is vague about this?

HUMANI GENERIS

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS THREATENING TO UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATIONS OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AUGUST 12, 1950
  1. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which through generation is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.
 
The Adam and Eve stories are the first primordial stories that were passed down through Jewish generations. The creation accounts of Genesis are not history books; but rather literary forms employed to describe primordial creation, and to present universal religious themes: that of the fatherhood of God, the free will of man, the disobedience of man, and the chance for salvation. The reader is not supposed to ask questions like, “who were Cain and Abel’s wives?” None of the biblical writers in fact know precisely how many people there were, or how things started out. Again, the earliest stories known concerned Adam and Eve and their family. No stories invovled other people, although of course a reasonable person reading seeking out historical facts would have to assume there were other people around at the time.

None of the Vatican statements on Adam and Eve are conclusive, but are somewhat vaguely worded, so as to verify the Adam and Eve story–that real primordial events are described–but without accounting for all associated historical details. We have to use our brains a little when reading this stuff, or we can begin to sink into the type of so-called thinking that avers there were no dinosaurs because they are not mentioned in the bible, there was no rain before the flood, etc.
…and what is vague about this?

CCC Teachings on Genesis and Adam & Eve
CCC 359
359 "In reality it is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of man truly becomes clear."224

St. Paul tells us that the human race takes its origin from two men: Adam and Christ. . . The first man, Adam, he says, became a living soul, the last Adam a life-giving spirit. The first Adam was made by the last Adam, from whom he also received his soul, to give him life. . . The second Adam stamped his image on the first Adam when he created him. That is why he took on himself the role and the name of the first Adam, in order that he might not lose what he had made in his own image. The first Adam, the last Adam: the first had a beginning, the last knows no end. The last Adam is indeed the first; as he himself says: "I am the first and the last."225

CCC 375
375 The Church, interpreting the symbolism of biblical language in an authentic way, in the light of the New Testament and Tradition, teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were constituted in an original “state of holiness and justice”.250This grace of original holiness was “to share in. . .divine life”.251

CCC 390
390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man.264 Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.265

CCC 766
766 The Church is born primarily of Christ’s total self-giving for our salvation, anticipated in the institution of the Eucharist and fulfilled on the cross. "The origin and growth of the Church are symbolized by the blood and water which flowed from the open side of the crucified Jesus."171 "For it was from the side of Christ as he slept the sleep of death upon the cross that there came forth the ‘wondrous sacrament of the whole Church.’"172 As Eve was formed from the sleeping Adam’s side, so the Church was born from the pierced heart of Christ hanging dead on the cross.173

CCC 1603-1605
1603 "The intimate community of life and love which constitutes the married state has been established by the Creator and endowed by him with its own proper laws. . . . God himself is the author of marriage."87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes. These differences should not cause us to forget its common and permanent characteristics. Although the dignity of this institution is not transparent everywhere with the same clarity,88 some sense of the greatness of the matrimonial union exists in all cultures. "The well-being of the individual person and of both human and Christian society is closely bound up with the healthy state of conjugal and family life."89

1604 God who created man out of love also calls him to love the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being. For man is created in the image and likeness of God who is himself love.90 Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man. It is good, very good, in the Creator’s eyes. And this love which God blesses is intended to be fruitful and to be realized in the common work of watching over creation: "And God blessed them, and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.’"91

1605 Holy Scripture affirms that man and woman were created for one another: "It is not good that the man should be alone."92 The woman, “flesh of his flesh,” his equal, his nearest in all things, is given to him by God as a “helpmate”; she thus represents God from whom comes our help.93 "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."94 The Lord himself shows that this signifies an unbreakable union of their two lives by recalling what the plan of the Creator had been “in the beginning”: "So they are no longer two, but one flesh."95

If you make the creation story out to be a myth, then the reality of woman from man goes out the window and so does the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony.
 
The Adam and Eve stories are the first primordial stories that were passed down through Jewish generations. The creation accounts of Genesis are not history books; but rather literary forms employed to describe primordial creation, and to present universal religious themes: that of the fatherhood of God, the free will of man, the disobedience of man, and the chance for salvation. The reader is not supposed to ask questions like, “who were Cain and Abel’s wives?” None of the biblical writers in fact know precisely how many people there were, or how things started out. Again, the earliest stories known concerned Adam and Eve and their family. No stories invovled other people, although of course a reasonable person reading seeking out historical facts would have to assume there were other people around at the time.

None of the Vatican statements on Adam and Eve are conclusive, but are somewhat vaguely worded, so as to verify the Adam and Eve story–that real primordial events are described–but without accounting for all associated historical details. We have to use our brains a little when reading this stuff, or we can begin to sink into the type of so-called thinking that avers there were no dinosaurs because they are not mentioned in the bible, there was no rain before the flood, etc.
…or this?

CCC 389
389 The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the “reverse side” of the Good News that Jesus is the Saviour of all men, that all need salvation and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. The Church, which has the mind of Christ,263 knows very well that we cannot tamper with the revelation of original sin without undermining the mystery of Christ.

CCC 54-55
54 "God, who creates and conserves all things by his Word, provides men with constant evidence of himself in created realities, and furthermore, wishing to open up the way to heavenly salvation - he manifested himself to our first parents from the very beginning."6 He invited them to intimate communion with himself and clothed them with resplendent grace and justice.
55 This revelation was not broken off by our first parents’ sin. "After the fall, (God) buoyed them up with the hope of salvation, by promising redemption; and he has never ceased to show his solicitude for the human race. For he wishes to give eternal life to all those who seek salvation by patience in well-doing."7

CCC 410-412
410 After his fall, man was not abandoned by God. On the contrary, God calls him and in a mysterious way heralds the coming victory over evil and his restoration from his fall.304 This passage in Genesis is called the Protoevangelium (“first gospel”): the first announcement of the Messiah and Redeemer, of a battle between the serpent and the Woman, and of the final victory of a descendant of hers.

411 The Christian tradition sees in this passage an announcement of the “New Adam” who, because he “became obedient unto death, even death on a cross”, makes amends superabundantly for the disobedience, of Adam.305 Furthermore many Fathers and Doctors of the Church have seen the woman announced in the “Proto-evangelium” as Mary, the mother of Christ, the “new Eve”. Mary benefited first of all and uniquely from Christ’s victory over sin: she was preserved from all stain of original sin and by a special grace of God committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly life.306

412 But why did God not prevent the first man from sinning? St. Leo the Great responds, "Christ’s inexpressible grace gave us blessings better than those the demon’s envy had taken away."307 and St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "There is nothing to prevent human nature’s being raised up to something greater, even after sin; God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. Thus St. Paul says, ‘Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more’; and the Exsultet sings, ‘O happy fault,. . . which gained for us so great a Redeemer!’"308

CCC 388
388 With the progress of Revelation, the reality of sin is also illuminated. Although to some extent the People of God in the Old Testament had tried to understand the pathos of the human condition in the light of the history of the fall narrated in Genesis, they could not grasp this story’s ultimate meaning, which is revealed only in the light of the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.261 We must know Christ as the source of grace in order to know Adam as the source of sin. the Spirit-Paraclete, sent by the risen Christ, came to “convict the world concerning sin”,262 by revealing him who is its Redeemer.

CCC 404
404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? the whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. and that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.
 
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