What’s the 3rd Secret of Fatima?

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I thought these were the secrets:
  1. An even worse war than WWI is coming (WWII)
  2. Communism will be on the rise and be against the church and evil and Russia must be consecrated to Mary
  3. A Pope will be assassinated
I thought it was declared that when JPII was shot that was secret #3 (a Pope who gets assassinated) but Mary ended up saving JPII from death and that was all three secrets. Am I wrong?

Unless perhaps total conspiracy theory here, the secret was that many priests would sexually abuse children and the Vatican did not want to release that since it would cause widescale panic? But I thought all three secrets were as I listed above
 
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Did the Church disobey Mary by not revealing the secret in 1960?
 
I’ve always wondered if the Church had been disobedient to Mary by failing to reveal it in 1960, which was when, (according to what we were led to understand) it was supposed to be revealed. I know I felt concerned at the time when the Pope decided to continue keeping it under wraps. It seemed he was going against Mary, and that bothered me.

I am now wondering if all of this controversy over the third secret might have been avoided if it had been revealed back then, and what the ultimate consequences might be because it wasn’t.
 
I know that “listen to a 100-minute-long podcast” isn’t the best thing to say, but Jimmy Akin (who works for Catholic Answers) did do an episode–actually, two episodes, there was a lot to say–on the Third Secret of Fatima, available here:
The Third Secret of Fatima – Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World – Jimmy Akin (Part 1)
The Third Secret of Fatima Theories – Jimmy Akin (Part 2)

There was also a general episode done earlier about Fatima:
http://jimmyakin.com/2019/05/fatima-jimmy-akins-mysterious-world.html
 
TheLittleLady said:
I’m just not comfortable with saying that St Pope JPII lied, that the Vatican lied, that Sister herself lied, that Card Ratzinger lied, that they all lied when the document on the 3rd secret was revealed.
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I NEVER implied anything like that in my posts, TB.
 
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Dolphin said:
Did the Church disobey Mary by not revealing the secret in 1960?
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No, the Church did not disobey Mary by not revealing the secret in 1960. The date of 1960 was chosen by Sr. Lucy. It was her decision that it shouldn’t be opened until then.
 
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No 1960 was a date given by Our Lady

https://www.tldm.org/news/in_1960.htm

“In 1946, Sister Lucy was asked when the Third Secret would be revealed to the world, and without hesitation she said, “In 1960.” In 1955 Cardinal Ottaviani asked her why it was not to be opened before 1960. She told him, “because then it will seem clearer (mais claro).” Sister Lucy had made the Bishop of Fatima-Leiria promise that the Secret would be read to the world at her death, but in no event later than 1960, “because the blessed Virgin wishes it so.” And from Canon Barthas: "Moreover, it [the Third Secret] will soon be known, since Sister Lucy affirms that Our Lady wills that it can be published beginning in 1960."
 
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Before giving the sealed envelope containing the third part of the “secret” to the then Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, Sister Lucia wrote on the outside envelope that it could be opened only after 1960, either by the Patriarch of Lisbon or the Bishop of Leiria. Archbishop Bertone therefore asked: “Why only after 1960? Was it Our Lady who fixed that date?” Sister Lucia replied: “It was not Our Lady. I fixed the date because I had the intuition that before 1960 it would not be understood, but that only later would it be understood. Now it can be better understood. I wrote down what I saw; however it was not for me to interpret it, but for the Pope.
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...on_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html
 
Pope John XXIII should have revealed it in 1960 but did not (why, we don’t know).
 
Tis_Bearself said:
In 1981 some guy even hijacked a plane and demanded that the Vatican reveal the Third Secret.
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Very off-topic, but as an Australian I’ve always been perturbed by how not only was that plane hijacking done by an Australian, but the nutjob who hacked at Michelangelo’s Pieta in 1972 was also Australian, and the other nutjob who, in 1969, set fire to a pulpit in the Al Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount was also Australian.

I think I need to start keeping an eye on my fellow Australians!
 
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St Pope JPII, Sister, other Vatican authorities, all declared that the 3rd Secret through the linked documents. Stating that there is still some hidden secret or that document was a lie means that the people who were involved with it’s publication lied in that publication.

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TheLittleLady said:
Stating that there is still some hidden secret or that document was a lie means that the people who were involved with it’s publication lied in that publication.
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To the best of my knowledge, PJPII had no part in drafting the June 2000 commentary on the Third Secret Vision. And if I’m not mistaken, Chris Ferrara states in his book that PJPII wanted to reveal everything but was talked into letting Cardinal Sodano handle it. Cardinal Ratzinger always deferred to ++Sodano in his speeches re the Third Secret Vision (and this is documented in Chris Ferrara’s book).

I have never accused anyone of lying and it really irks me that you would even post such a thing.
 
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Yes he ordered it to be published but that doesn’t mean he helped draft it. The CDF was primarily responsible for drafting the June 2000 commentary. Remember PJPII was having health problems the last few years of his life.
 
I don’t like referring to these things as “secrets.” “Message” is a more appropriate term. God made full His revelation, so there are no “secrets” left to uncover which are necessary for salvation. Some Catholics become so infatuated with Fatima and other private revelations that their entire faith life revolves around trying to uncover supposed conspiracies surrounding them and lose sight of what is actually necessary to get to heaven.
 
QUESTION: “ “… Your Holiness, what meaning do the Fatima apparitions have for us today?In June 2000, when you presented the text of the third secret in the Vatican Press Office, a number of us and our former colleagues were present. You were asked if the message could be extended, beyond the attack on John Paul II, to other sufferings on the part of the Popes. Is it possible, to your mind, to include in that vision the sufferings of the Church today for the sins involving the sexual abuse of minors?”

POPE BENEDICT: “ “… In 2000, in my presentation, I said that an apparition – a supernatural impulse which does not come purely from a person’s imagination but really from the Virgin Mary, from the supernatural – that such an impulse enters into a subject and is expressed according to the capacities of that subject. … Consequently, I would say that, here too, beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, which we can in the first place refer to Pope John Paul II, an indication is given of realities involving the future of the Church, which are gradually taking shape and becoming evident. So it is true that, in addition to moment [sic] indicated in the vision, there is mention of, there is seen, the need for a passion of the Church, which naturally is reflected in the person of the Pope, yet the Pope stands for the Church and thus it is sufferings of the Church that are announced. The Lord told us that the Church would constantly be suffering, in different ways, until the end of the world. … As for the new things which we can find in this message today, there is also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church come not only from without, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from within the Church, from the sin existing within the Church. This too is something that we have always known, but today we are seeing it in a really terrifying way: that the greatest persecution of the Church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church* , and that the Church thus has a deep need to relearn penance, to accept purification, to learn forgiveness on the one hand, but also the need for justice. Forgiveness does not replace justice.”

 
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