What are "demons" accused of doing these days?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Spock
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
S

Spock

Guest
What is the (infallible) teaching of the Catholic Church nowdays concerning “demons”? Do the demons still assumed to cause epilepsy? Or other actual maladies? Are the demons still being exorcised? Or did the Church realize that medical science has bypassed those dark-age ideas? Do demons have horns, and walk on hoofs? Amazing questions. Any answers?
 
What is the (infallible) teaching of the Catholic Church nowdays concerning “demons”? Do the demons still assumed to cause epilepsy? Or other actual maladies? Are the demons still being exorcised? Or did the Church realize that medical science has bypassed those dark-age ideas? Do demons have horns, and walk on hoofs? Amazing questions. Any answers?
They see me trollin’…
 
some of the minor demons in training often post insulting messages on Christian websites in order to get a reaction. In mythology they are called “trolls”.
 
They see me trollin’…
Some troll if he did over 900 posts to work up to this.

I am not a troll, and I do want to know what the Catholic position is on the existance of “demons” if it all. I have seen lots of threads on this website that refer to them and it intrigues me also.
 
Assuming the reality of demoniac possession, for which the authority of Christ is pledged, it is to be observed that Jesus appealed to His power over demons as one of the recognised signs of Messiahship (Matthew 12:23, 28; Luke 11:20). He cast out demons, He declared, by the finger or spirit of God, not, as His adversaries alleged, by collusion with the prince of demons (Matthew 12:24, 27; Mark 3:22; Luke 11:15, 19); and that He exercised no mere delegated power, but a personal authority that was properly His own, is clear from the direct and imperative way in which He commands the demon to depart (Mark 9:24; cf. 1:25 etc.): “He cast out the spirits with his word, and he healed all that were sick” (Matthew 8:16). Sometimes, as with the daughter of the Canaanean woman, the exorcism took place from a distance (Matthew 15:22 sqq.; Mark 7:25). Sometimes again the spirits expelled were allowed to express their recognition of Jesus as “the Holy One of God” (Mark 1:24) and to complain that He had come to torment them “before the time”, i.e the time of their punishment (Matthew 8:29 sqq; Luke 8:28 sqq.). If demoniac possession was generally accompanied by some disease, yet the two were not confounded by Christ, or the Evangelists. In Luke 13:32, for example, the Master Himself expressly distinguishes between the expulsion of evil spirits and the curing of disease.

Christ also empowered the Apostles and Disciples to cast out demons in His name while He Himself was still on earth (Matthew 10:1 and 8; Mark 6:7; Luke 9:1; 10:17), and to believers generally He promised the same power (Mark 16:17). But the efficacy of this delegated power was conditional, as we see from the fact that the Apostles themselves were not always successful in their exorcisms: certain kinds of spirits, as Christ explained, could only be cast out by prayer and fasting (Matthew 17:15, 20; Mark 9:27-28; Luke 9:40). In other words the success of exorcism by Christians, in Christ’s name, is subject to the same general conditions on which both the efficacy of prayer and the use of charismatic power depend. Yet conspicuous success was promised (Mark 16:17). St. Paul (Acts 16:18; 19:12), and, no doubt, the other Apostles and Disciples, made use of regularly, as occasion arose, of their exorcising power, and the Church has continued to do so uninterruptedly to the present day.

Baptismal exorcism
At an early age the practice was introduced into the Church of exorcising catechumens as a preparation for the Sacrament of Baptism. This did not imply that they were considered to be obsessed, like demoniacs, but merely that they were, in consequence of original sin (and of personal sins in case of adults), subject more or less to the power of the devil, whose “works” or “pomps” they were called upon to renounce, and from whose dominion the grace of baptism was about to deliver them.

From the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia

www.newadvent.org › Catholic Encyclopedia
 
Only Catholic priests who are both legally and morally ordained and are faithful to the teachings of Sacred Scripture, as validly understood through the legitimate moral authority of the Church, and who remain spiritually sound should attempt an exorcism. Devils are powerful beings and can be extremely harmful to the unqualified. Instead; Praying the Exorcism Prayer is encouraged.
Preliminary actions for those recognizing satanic activity in relation to themselves:
Immediately reject any and all types of unnatural insights whether they occur in a dream or while in a waking state. Such insights commonly originate in the occult and are of satanic origin. Such insights may refer to a past, present of future event. They are intended to seem worthy with resultant enhancement of self-esteem. Eventually the evil spirits giving these insights, feelings, or seeing of auroras will seek full control over a captivated persons being. Such possessions or manifestations frequently occur to those who have used or participated in the following:
Ouija boards, Seances, Magic 8 balls, Palm reading (even as a game), Tea leaf reading, Fortune telling, Potions, Incantations, Yoga (even as exercise), Martial Arts (in most cases), Dungeons and Dragons, Harry Potter Books, Eastern Mysticism, Tarrot Cards, etc.
When one begins honestly trying to live the Christian life, one MUST break with all Satanic influences that one has accepted in one’s life. This would include all organized occultic behavior. Many of these things are presented as games or midway attractions at a county fair, but they’re actually portals of access for the attack of one or devils. It may have been years since one was involved but until it is recognized as sin, confessed, and absolved with proper penance, the doors remain open for Satan’s entry.
Many people never know that the games they were involved with as children are mortal sins that will send them to hell without proper repentance.
It is not enough to say that you never did it yourself. To be aware that any of these things are being done and not to say something against it is to give tacit approval by your presence. Such failure jeopardizes your own soul.
Avoid other conditions and associations that breed satanic influence concerning one’s spiritual life:

Catholic World News – January 1999
VATICAN RELEASES NEW RITE FOR EXORCISM

VATICAN (CWNews.com) – The Devil exists. That unpopular reality is brought into sharp focus by the promulgation of a new rite of exorcism for the Catholic Church.

De Exorcismus et supplicationibus quibusdam, approved by Pope John Paul II on October 1, 1998, was formally released by the Vatican on January 26. The document sets out a new and precise liturgical form for the rite of exorcism. The 84-page form, introduced by the Congregation Divine Worship, was published entirely in Latin; the episcopal conferences of different nations may now prepare their own versions in the vernacular languages.

This new Vatican document clearly recognizes both the existence of the Devil and the reality of diabolical possession. In a short introduction, the document calls attention to the existence of both “angelic creatures” and others “called demons, who are opposed to God.” Since the influence of the demonic can become apparent in people, places, or things, the document continues, the Church “has prayed, and continues to pray, that men will be freed from the snares of the Devil.”

Hope some of this clarifies things for you
 
one of the first things a genuine seeker would do on this forum with a commonly asked question would be to do a search, such as this one for this forum on the word demons. Then, if there specific question was not addressed they would ask it, but not in a provacative way that makes a question into an assertion of fact. For instance, the Church has never taught that demons caused epilepsy, so it is below the belt to pose the question in such away that makes that assertion.

forums.catholic-questions.org/search.php?searchid=7643479

oh sorry I searched the apologetics forum, did not realize the question was also posed on the wrong forum
 
one of the first things a genuine seeker would do on this forum with a commonly asked question would be to do a search, such as this one for this forum on the word demons. Then, if there specific question was not addressed they would ask it, but not in a provacative way that makes a question into an assertion of fact. For instance, the Church has never taught that demons caused epilepsy, so it is below the belt to pose the question in such away that makes that assertion.

forums.catholic-questions.org/search.php?searchid=7643479

oh sorry I searched the apologetics forum, did not realize the question was also posed on the wrong forum
I think you should differentiate between “Church has never taught” to “before we knew about epilepsy, it may well be considored the sign of a demon”.

Having fits and seizures was one of the signs, before we knew about epilepsy and related conditions, which could have been interpreted as a sign of posession. Even I know that.
 
Yoga (even as exercise), Martial Arts (in most cases), Dungeons and Dragons, Harry Potter Books
Really ?

I doubt you have evidence of demonic possession from people playing a Dungeons and Dragons table-top RPG [Read: board game with too many dice] or Harry Potter Books.
 
Really ?

I doubt you have evidence of demonic possession from people playing a Dungeons and Dragons table-top RPG [Read: board game with too many dice] or Harry Potter Books.
Sorry not my words but that of catholic site ‘Catholic World news’ I actually agree as my three sons all did Karate for many years.However are we actually understanding the context of the wording?I guess the meaning would be to avoid allowing things that MAY LET demoninc influences in our lives.However, I cannot explain the views of Catholic World News I only give details to the OP to (I had hoped explain the Exorcism views of the Church.I personally don’t find any harm in reading Harry Potter books or the films they are fiction. Hope this clarifies my post
 
What is the (infallible) teaching of the Catholic Church nowdays concerning “demons”?
They exist, they are fallen angels, they live in hell, and they possess people.
Do the demons still assumed to cause epilepsy? Or other actual maladies?
No. The Church has set out guidelines for identifying demonic possession which rely on supernatural phenomenon, not natural, like speaking in tongues and prophecy. These aren’t certain indications, and their absence isn’t an indication of absence of DP. There wasn’t, isn’t, and never will be Grey’s Anatomy: Supernatural Edition.
Are the demons still being exorcised?
Yes. The Exorcism is now much more mild, and the requirements to initiate it are that medical and psychiatric study and therapy are done/attempted first.
Or did the Church realize that medical science has bypassed those dark-age ideas?
It’s done some, but not all. Take, for instance, an alleged case where the possessed guy spoke many languages, and another where he had unusual, nondeminishing strength. I’ll try to dig up the source for that, don’t have it now.
Do demons have horns, and walk on hoofs?
They’re spirits, so no.
Amazing questions. Any answers?
…sure…
 
The demons are everywhere and they definitely freak me out. However prayer is the answer if you don’t want them around. They go nuts and really don’t know how to react if they see or hear any identifiers that you love god. You can always keep a rosary on hand if you feel the presence of these miserable demons. I guarantee they will exit immediately from your presence.🙂
 
Really ?

I doubt you have evidence of demonic possession from people playing a Dungeons and Dragons table-top RPG [Read: board game with too many dice] or Harry Potter Books.
What’s interesting to me is that many disparate denominations; ones that not only don’t communicate/interact with each other but sincerely want to disassociate themselves from each other have reached the same conclusion regarding these seemingly benign things.

Do you think the Catholic Church doesn’t realize how crazy this sounds? Every single priest/ pastor/ minister I have ever spoken with in the “deliverance” ministry has tales about these unlikely sources. So, evidence? Well it’s all kind of complicated when you are talking hard evidence. There are three things that I do find to be quite compelling though:
  1. Different, non-communicating sources experiencing the same type of effect and reaching the same conclusion.
    A simple google search using “harry potter dungeons and dragons demonic activity” produced 43,000 results. Here are the top few. NONE of them are Catholic. PLEASE don’t follow ANY of the advice in these. Veering from the Church in demonic matters is disastrous.
    diskbooks.org/part2.html
    christianforums.com/t5943083-7/
    nn-no.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=28196491434&topic=6983
    moodymanual.demonbuster.com/demonicc.html
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_tract - VERY Anti-Catholic
    answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100309100654AAbOQFA
    generationyes.net/yes/children.htm
    chick.com/articles/frpg.asp Again- these guys HATE the Catholic Church
Now- there’s some wackadoo stuff on these sites. I’m not pointing to them as any kind of wonderful, logical, scientific hard evidence. My only point is that despite the fact that these factions want nothing to do with each other, they have reached the same conclusions through their own separate data accumulation.
  1. Obvious knowledge of extreme ridicule to be garnered for making such claims.
    Why deliberately say something that is guaranteed to give you BAD PR, even from your own people?
  2. Secular sources that have noted similar issues. (I suppose I can expound if you’d like, but another simple google search will do the trick: try “suicide dungeons and dragons” to start.
My husband and I disagree on how impactful this may be as do many Catholics. This is not something we are required to believe as Catholics. We certainly enjoy our HP books, BUT it can not be denied that there is a lot of compelling “evidence” (maybe “data points” would be a more accurate description) to give one who is experiencing difficulty pause.

To quote my son’s allergist when we discovered minor food allergies: “We need not be concerned about any of these things, unless your son experiences difficulty”.
In how timely a manner will you notice “difficulty”?
 
Question: what about the SCOUS? Are they still saying in law that Blacks are only 1/5th of a person?
 
Question: what about the SCOUS? Are they still saying in law that Blacks are only 1/5th of a person?
abbreviations.yourdictionary.com/scous says the following.
SCOUS: Spectrum Clear of Unknown Signals (MUGU)

I’m guessing you meant the “Supreme Court of the United States”, in which case I’m pretty sure they moved that designation up from 1/3 to 1/2 in my lifetime. Based on the misrepresentation of inmates in jail, that’s how it’s reflected, anyway. My black friends don’t agree that it’s that high though.

I’d laugh but it’s too sad, really.

I fear your subtlety is lost on trolls, however.
 
What is the (infallible) teaching of the Catholic Church nowdays concerning “demons”? Do the demons still assumed to cause epilepsy? Or other actual maladies? Are the demons still being exorcised? Or did the Church realize that medical science has bypassed those dark-age ideas? Do demons have horns, and walk on hoofs? Amazing questions. Any answers?
Epilepsy is not made by demons. Thats ridiculous. If you were to give somebody with that an exorcism, they would still have it.

Horns, hoofs?

That is what PEOPLE imagined it to be especially when making paintings back in the olden days, and even today.

There is no truth that they really look like that. You couldn’t see them anyways, unless you’re a person who has the ability to see demons. Good luck. There aren’t many possessed people these days.

I don’t think there really ever were very many. Most people back then suffering from diseases were thought to be possessed. Which just isn’t the case anymore, which we now know with our great medical advances.
 
Epilepsy is not made by demons. Thats ridiculous. If you were to give somebody with that an exorcism, they would still have it.
My friend, you don’t have to tell me that. 🙂 I know that. But it was supposed that St. Vitus dance was a sign of demonic possession. Don’t you realize that the whole OP was tongue-in-cheek? To expose the incredible gullibility and stupidity of those who used to believe all that nonsense?

I am infinitely surprised that there are still people who believe in guardian-angels, demons, imps, werewolves, witches, poltergeists and such. In the 21st century! As Einstein said once: “There are two things which are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the Universe”. I know about people who believe in the curative powers of pyramidal structures, who trust “lay-on-hands” con-artists (aka: faith-healers), who believe in auras, astrology, and such. Incredible and very sad.
 
My friend, you don’t have to tell me that. 🙂 I know that. But it was supposed that St. Vitus dance was a sign of demonic possession. Don’t you realize that the whole OP was tongue-in-cheek? To expose the incredible gullibility and stupidity of those who used to believe all that nonsense?

I am infinitely surprised that there are still people who believe in guardian-angels, demons, imps, werewolves, witches, poltergeists and such. In the 21st century! As Einstein said once: “There are two things which are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the Universe”. I know about people who believe in the curative powers of pyramidal structures, who trust “lay-on-hands” con-artists (aka: faith-healers), who believe in auras, astrology, and such. Incredible and very sad.
I pretty much figured you were being sarcastic, but there are those who believe in this which is why I took it seriously.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top