What are some true deal-breakers for Catholics?

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Ideally, for me, a fellow practicing Catholic, someone who prays, tries to advance in holiness, is open to the spirit. Someone who exhibits the humility and gentleness and charity that comes from the Spirit. Although a Catholic is ideal, I’d prefer a believing Christian of any type over a scornful “cultural” or “cafeteria” Catholic.

Years ago I remember someone saying there are two types of people in this world. One type looks at you blankly, gets embarrassed, and changes the subject when you tell them you are a believing, practicing Catholic. The other says in response,“That’s interesting; I’d like to hear more about it.” Try it as a test, and go for the second type of person.
 
That’s an interesting answer. My only question is: do we stipulate that clarity is never to be given the label “manipulation”?

In other words – although psychological cleverness might be needed to recognize a stumbling block that somebody is experiencing, and to formulate a message that will get through to that particular person – if the message simply makes something very clear, then the message isn’t manipulative, even if it the message elicits a change that the recipient of the message was previously resisting. Do you agree?
Hi!

It is not about “clarify;” it’s about controlling someone else–this, of course, can be done through the tactical use of truth, semi-truth, falsehood, clarity, and murkiness…

…did you notice the manipulation done to Hillary Clinton on her first presidential campaign?

…up until the night before she removed herself from running she was enthusiastically gathering Democrats to her platform… in a flash she came back the next day: ‘vote for Obama–his the man; he will lead us, yes he will!’

…did you also noticed that the media could not find a single wrong thing to report about him (including how he came to the mullah for his campaigning)?

…and did you catch how his middle name was never mentioned?

…and di you noticed how he proceeded support abortion, the homosexual agenda, and to undo the safeguards against the manipulation the Christians which eventually lead to fining a group of Nuns millions of dollars because they would not act against their Faith?

Manipulation uses all sorts of tools and terminologies… like abortion presented as “women’s health.”

Maran atha!

Angel
 
If I remember correctly, my “deal breakers” were that they had to be Catholic and practicing. I need someone that can motivate me to get up on Sunday morning and I DON’T need an extra kid to force to get up.

No smoking allowed. No exceptions.

They had to accept the teachings of the Church on sexual matters and be willing to practice NFP.

They had to be tolerant of tapping, humming, and singing at all times. Harmonic and accompaniment skills preferred.
Hi!

…all I can say to that:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Thanks for the laugh!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
  1. Religion - I used to require that someone I date is Catholic; changed that to Christian, but that doesn’t have to mean attending a service - it can mean that they have a relationship with God or desire one. While Catholic should = person striving for virtue, it doesn’t always. I have a few people in my family who are converts and I felt hypocritical just going for Catholics. Like I said, I know we aren’t supposed to try to change people, but does anyone have advice on not trying to convert someone even if we wish they were Catholic? Or can we be okay without them converting?
My parents are from a ‘mixed marriage’. My dad is Protestant, although nonobservant. He’ll come to Catholic Church for big days like weddings and baptisms. Funerals are a little spotty. My mom told me it’s lonesome to not share her faith and go to church alone. So, although I’ve loved and wanted to marry a non-catholic, it was a blessing that after I made a novena to St. Joseph that he brought me my dh! DH asked specifically on our first date, “Are you Roman Catholic?” “Yes I’m Catholic.”, I said. “No I mean are you ROMAN Catholic?” he had had trouble with some Christians claiming to be Catholic. He wanted to be sure.

BTW, I was rejected by genuine Christian men who loved God and their denominations so much that they couldn’t see dating a Catholic girl. They did us a favor by dropping the pursuit. 😉

Well would I’d take a genuine Christian who loved God with his whole heart over a CINO? Maybe but, I’d rather take a genuine practicing Catholic who loved God with his whole heart. They’re out there.
  1. Politics Is politics truly a deal-breaker? A lot of people would say yes, but the funny thing is that the way I “politically identify” is generally totally different from the people I spend time with and enjoy. Some people aren’t familiar with pro-life teachings or have been raised in a different background, and I don’t know what is acceptable or not. Now if the other person is totally immersed in his political party, I’d steer clear, but I’ve found that most people just say “I personally disagree with that, but I don’t know if the government should control it” or something.
I don’t think I could date let alone marry someone who vilified MY politics. Good luck there.
  1. Number of kids Let’s say you’re far enough into a relationship when you talk about kids. Obviously we must be open to children, that’s a given. God gives you however many kids you should have, but should you both want the same amount? (Note: obviously the person should want kids in general, I know that haha, but does the amount preference matter?)
As a Catholic you should be open to kids. The belief that you can ‘plan’ your family is actually a myth. Good luck with planning personality, let alone hair and stature. Numbers of children do you mean? Well, you might want three and pregnancy number 2 hands you the miracles of humor, Quads.
And then, you might get smacked with the desire for a big family, and the inability to have one.
This is sad.
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 And then of course personality, but I already have a good idea of what I need there (well, I'm sure I'll find out if I'm wrong haha).  I'm mostly just asking about these things like religion and politics that are notoriously polarizing.  I have many friends of different faiths and political beliefs, but it gets much harder for me in dating relationships when that happens.
My mother, who often gave me some advice and who never seemed to understand me, gave me some terrific advice before I married my dh. “Honey everybody isn’t perfect. Everyone has issues (she used a different word :rolleyes:). Ask yourself what issues are you willing to put up with?”

This was excellent advice. Because I have issues, I’m not perfect. But it’s my job as a human being to be patient and loving while working on my faults. My dearest sweetest husband isn’t perfect either. We have had a marriage where we are accepting and loving, but the goal is as St. Charles of Austria said to his bride Zita, to “help each other get to heaven,”.
It’s hard to be patient and just let it all unfold, so I’m seeing if there is any general advice out there.
One excellent way to practice patience is to be the person you would want to raise your children. Go have your sort of adventure right now, as long as it’s wholesome with some good Christian friends. Pass the time in Confidence with God, make friends with some holy Saints and ask them to pray for you. My life became so much better as a young person when I found a friend in St. Joseph.

My life in middle age, I started in my thirties with the EWTN International Rosary, but now only the past year I say it on my own. I wish I had followed my grandmother’s example and done so in my youth. I highly recommend that practice for anyone considering the vocation to marriage.
 
I’m going to share what my thoughts were back a hundred years ago when I was 20.

I came into the church in my 20’s. My current boyfriend of 5 yrs grew up in a Catholic home and went to Catholic schools. When I had my new faith and was eager to learn more, our relationship fell apart. He wasn’t interested in the faith. After 5 years it was quite a shock and yet I stood firm.

I had this conversation with God many times. I told him that I was serious about building my marriage on the foundation of Christ and the church that he gave us. I would rather be single than compromise my faith. If I met someone and he wasn’t a practicing Catholic, I would move on. No point in wasting his time and mine. Not interested in missionary dating. I did meet guys and on that one point did not budge. See God,* I am serious about this. If you want me to marry someone, it’s up to you to bring him in the church first*, then we’ll date. I prayed for my future husband every day, many times a day. I know a lot of people who met someone and was waiting for them to ‘come around’ to the faith. In the meantime they got attached to them, married them anyway. I just totally avoided doing that. My thinking was no point in making a square peg try to fit a round hole.

One day I did meet my husband, on the feast of the Annunciation. He was a practicing Catholic and was interested in learning of the faith. We had many awesome conversations. He was the one who told me about the church’s teachings on marriage and family life. He’s the one that found out where we could take NFP classes. We are married close to 30 years now. My previous boyfriend was married twice, divorced twice and is single now. Fractured families, tough on the kids. His faithful parents enjoyed 60 yrs of marriage. Putting Christ and the Faith second or third or whatever can be a slow train wreck. Be smart, be discerning. Pray for your future spouse every day. You will need the faith and the sacraments to weather the storms that come your way, and they will come.
Thank you for reading my story. May you have a wonderful testimony 30 years from now!
Hi, Penny!

(I never do this.)

Praise on, Sister, Praise on!

This is exactly why Catholic Marriages fail as much or more than secular unions; Catholics refuse to include God in their Sacramental Union!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
You can’t change another person - but another person can change somewhat.

That being said, I looked more at the person than their category (Catholic/Christian, Democrat or Republican, etc)

Is he truthful? Is he trustworthy? Does he hold the same values as I do? (Porn is wrong. Cursing is unacceptable. No drugs, smoking, piercings or tats.) Does he treat me (and my beliefs and ideas) with respect and dignity?

Another one that some might find odd … is he my equal in intelligence and common sense? I neither wanted to spend my life feeling inferior, nor did I want to spend my life fixing his errors or never being challenged at games and debates.

Is he physically attractive to me? Is he good with kids and pets? Is he kind?

Give me all of that (and thankfully God did!) and that was all I needed. The rest could be discussed, negotiated, debated, and tolerated (and we have - 20 yrs worth so far).

Neither of us have the exact same beliefs and understandings of anything (religion, politics, etc) we did when we were much younger - but because of the above traits we’ve been able to learn and grow and become much more than we were then (when we got marriage). Lots of stuff we still disagree with (role of government for example) but we disagree with respect that the other has a good solid set of reasons for believing as they do.

Now he happened to be Catholic, but honestly that was a bonus (made things much easier) - but with the firm foundation of shared values (God, family, virtues) I believe we would have been okay even if he’d been of another faith.
 
I think only looking for a practicing Catholic is completely reasonable.
 
Alright everyone…I would like some general insight from reasonable Catholic people.
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 When I first started dating, I had a long list of "requirements" that included physical appearance and personality, but also morals.  As I've grown, I've learned that my list wasn't exactly realistic (shocker!).  I also think a lot of Catholics have super high expectations, at least in my experience.

 There's an odd problem: we're not supposed to try to change anyone (people won't change unless they want to), but we're also supposed to be open to people and not write them off right away.  This is a confusing concept for me, as I've recently only dated devout Catholics (who had other reasons for not working out, like personality or desires).  Humans are imperfect, and I haven't been in many serious relationships where I've dealt with a lot of differences.
  1. Religion - I used to require that someone I date is Catholic; changed that to Christian, but that doesn’t have to mean attending a service - it can mean that they have a relationship with God or desire one. While Catholic should = person striving for virtue, it doesn’t always. I have a few people in my family who are converts and I felt hypocritical just going for Catholics. Like I said, I know we aren’t supposed to try to change people, but does anyone have advice on not trying to convert someone even if we wish they were Catholic? Or can we be okay without them converting?
  2. Politics Is politics truly a deal-breaker? A lot of people would say yes, but the funny thing is that the way I “politically identify” is generally totally different from the people I spend time with and enjoy. Some people aren’t familiar with pro-life teachings or have been raised in a different background, and I don’t know what is acceptable or not. Now if the other person is totally immersed in his political party, I’d steer clear, but I’ve found that most people just say “I personally disagree with that, but I don’t know if the government should control it” or something.
  3. Number of kids Let’s say you’re far enough into a relationship when you talk about kids. Obviously we must be open to children, that’s a given. God gives you however many kids you should have, but should you both want the same amount? (Note: obviously the person should want kids in general, I know that haha, but does the amount preference matter?)

    And then of course personality, but I already have a good idea of what I need there (well, I’m sure I’ll find out if I’m wrong haha). I’m mostly just asking about these things like religion and politics that are notoriously polarizing. I have many friends of different faiths and political beliefs, but it gets much harder for me in dating relationships when that happens.
It’s hard to be patient and just let it all unfold, so I’m seeing if there is any general advice out there.
Well I met and married a woman who basically fitted exactly into the criteria I had for a wife. And I prettymuch fitted hers as well. So I wouldn’t write off the idea of having a few criteria that you are not prepared to compromise.

My deal breakers were basically things that I was not prepared to be flexible on as I saw them as essential for any relationship to progress.

My deal-breaker was as follows:
1 - Must be a practicing Catholic and agree with all essential elements of the faith and the teachings on such things as abortion and contraception. Also mustn’t be lukewarm or a cafeteria catholic.
I was not prepared to compromise in this area because I didn’t want to marry someone who would not be 100% on board with passing the faith on to our children. I also wanted to marry someone who could relate to me in terms of religion and who shared the goal of getting to heaven.

That was my only absolute dealbreaker. I would encourage my kids to adopt the same approach.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong or hypocritical about wanting to marry another catholic.

I do think dealbreakers are a good way of figuring out what you really want and deem important in a spouse.

I don’t know what you mean about not changing a person. Obviously you have no control over whether a person changes or not, but in marriage you should be encouraging each other to change for the better and you should be consciously trying to change yourself for the better. After all, the whole point of marriage is that it’s a vocation that’s supposed to help both spouses to reach heaven.
 
I think it depends for each person but, for me, I would prefer a practising Catholic who encourages and motivates me in my faith. Though I enjoy hearing other people’s perspective, even if they differ from mine, I would rather date someone who challenges me to become a better person. 🙂 Fundamentally, we have to share the same values on marriage and life which also means–> loves babies 😃

It’s so hard to find a good, practising Catholic man ahh so, I think I would date a non-practising Catholic. My deal breakers are if the guy: is lustful of other women and has no intention of changing, is greedy, pessimistic, and materialistic.
 
Well neither my wife or I were Catholic when we married 20+ years ago, but I can tell you that the 3 years between her conversion and mine were difficult. Having shared religions values certainly makes things easier as it gets rid of the “where do we get the kids baptized?”, “Your church or mine for Christmas?”, et cetera. Being different religions can also cause odd frictions when trying to pass on the faith… try explaining Purgatory and the communion of Saints to your kids if your spouse thinks it’s hog wash.

With regard to politics I think there is room for variation, but if I were in the waters looking for a mate I certainly would not consider someone that supports immoral things like porn, abortion, same sex marriage, et cetera. I would find it very difficult to reach a deep emotional intimacy with someone who held beliefs that I find antithetical to being Christian. It would be a little like marrying a smoker for me. Every time I kissed them I would feel like I was licking a dirty ashtray.

If there is mutual respect then you can make anything work, but it can be really difficult being unequally yoked in anything. It’s one thing if you are both willing to pull the same way, but it can get messy if you are always trying to go east and they are pulling as hard to the west.
 
No smoking allowed. No exceptions.
Hi!

…all I can say to that:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Thanks for the laugh!

Maran atha!

Angel
Smoking is a deal breaker for me as well, no exceptions. I’m allergic to cigarette smoke, and my throat starts to ache and close up around it – sometimes even just being around someone who has a heavy odor of cigarette smoke causes a mild reaction.

No judgment call on the person or on their choice to smoke. My lungs and my system just can’t handle being around it. 🤷

But when I say no smokers, no exceptions, I don’t usually take the time to explain my reason. If others want to assume I’m being a prude or judgmental, that’s their call.
 
Here is the guidance I would give my children.
  1. Must be a practicing Catholic
  2. No abuse current or past perpetrator or victim.
  3. No drug or alcohol abuse past or present
    4 no criminal record.
  4. No previous marriages or kids.
  5. Thier friends must be like them in character.
 
You can’t change another person - but another person can change somewhat.
I recall reading right here on CAF that some people have changed a lot. However, the change was not necessarily in a good direction. Within a few years of marriage, one spouse had changed a lot, and the other said more or less “this is not what I signed up for.”

Creating a big list of deal-breakers – and finding somebody who fulfills all requirements – is no guarantee of happiness until we have a way to see whether or not the future spouse will continue to fulfill all of the requirements.

This is like the tragedy of a beautiful theory ruined by an ugly fact. Simplicity has value, so perhaps it is fair that people who take the complicated approach don’t always succeed, even if they seem to have handled all of the complications in the short term.
 
Here is the guidance I would give my children.
2. No abuse current or past perpetrator or victim.
When dating, if you were to share the list, then that item might help somebody quit a habit of complaining about the past.
 
When dating, if you were to share the list, then that item might help somebody quit a habit of complaining about the past.
Well that’s not really the point. The point is that at the point of discernment you should have a good candidate. One that gives you the best odds of success. Every single item on my list could have an example where it worked out. But the odds are not “ever in your favour.”
 
Well that’s not really the point. The point is that at the point of discernment you should have a good candidate. One that gives you the best odds of success. Every single item on my list could have an example where it worked out. But the odds are not “ever in your favour.”
The odds aren’t what most people use when deciding to propose. I don’t think I’d ever tell my kids to rule someone out because they had kids already or were a victim of abuse. I’d explain the possible difficulties alright but I don’t believe in writing people off like that.
 
The odds aren’t what most people use when deciding to propose. I don’t think I’d ever tell my kids to rule someone out because they had kids already or were a victim of abuse. I’d explain the possible difficulties alright but I don’t believe in writing people off like that.
Agreed
 
The odds aren’t what most people use when deciding to propose. I don’t think I’d ever tell my kids to rule someone out because they had kids already or were a victim of abuse. I’d explain the possible difficulties alright but I don’t believe in writing people off like that.
I think some people can have problems in their past and get over them. I know someone who had a problem with alcohol in their 20s who hasn’t had a problem with it for 25 years. So should that person have been ruled out? Not necessarily. Perhaps more discernment, but God does allow redemption.
 
I think some people can have problems in their past and get over them. I know someone who had a problem with alcohol in their 20s who hasn’t had a problem with it for 25 years. So should that person have been ruled out? Not necessarily. Perhaps more discernment, but God does allow redemption.
Agreed
 
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