What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?

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Your comment reminds me of a couple of young priests I saw grow up since ordination.( and before…).
Surrounded by young girls (and boys),and how special they were at that time and still are to transmit their love for Jesus. And how much they could connect with other young people and guide them to Jesus.
I used to look at them in admiration,almost maternal, and think that those two were stronger and brighter than one would have thought.
God 's strength is amazing really.
 
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anon10271182 said:
Yes. And many are furthering the agenda while vehemently denying that there is any agenda at all. They are so imbedded in it that they can’t see the forest for the trees. Pray for these lost souls.
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If I have an agenda, the main one is to be open and honest and authentic about who I am with my family, my friends, my co-workers and the community I live in. No more going to the family reunion and telling my aunts and uncles and cousins that the guy coming with me is no one special, just my “roommate”. No more going to the churches I attend and letting everyone think that I’m single.

I don’t like keeping secrets any more and constantly being afraid all the time that I might slip up and everyone will find out. That’s what it used to be like for me 40 years ago. It takes a terrible psychological toll to keep secrets. Just imagine what it’s like to be 12 or 13 and discover you’re gay and then feel that you have to keep this a secret from everyone including your parents and friends, afraid that if they found out, they wouldn’t love you any more. And then to have to carry this secret around with you for 5 or 6 years.

And that determination not to keep so many secrets applies to other things, too, besides my sexual orientation. I have ADHD and others like me have said that they never tell anyone about this because they’re afraid that they might get fired from their job if their employer finds out or that their co-workers will think less of them. But me, I don’t keep that a secret any more either when it might help for other people to know. If they know, maybe they’ll be a little less upset with me and more forgiving when I forget to return phone calls or answer emails, or if I miss appointments. So, if I have an agenda, it’s not to keep so many secrets about myself.
 
semper_catholicus said:
. The competent authority, the Congregation for Catholic Education, has said that gay men are not to be ordained to the priesthood
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A case of selective reading. Please see definitions given in the directive concering “acts” and “tendencies” and use of “practicing”.
.you are over generalizing a specific decree.
 
Thorolfr said:
If I have an agenda, the main one is to be open and honest and authentic about who I am with my family, my friends, my co-workers and the community I live in. No more going to the family reunion and telling my aunts and uncles and cousins that the guy coming with me is no one special, just my “roommate”. No more going to the churches I attend and letting everyone think that I’m single.
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Thank you for this post and for sharing your personal experience. I have seen others suggest that gay people should keep their homosexual status to themselves, hidden away for nobody to know. I am heterosexual, and this is a disturbing concept for me. Why? Because, for me, to know someone is to love them. That means I really want to KNOW them! Now others will say, "why do you need to know about their sexuality? Straight people don’t go around discussing their sexuality. "

That is why what you wrote about going to the family reunion and church is so important… I know many people who have superficial relationships in their lives, pretending them to be close-hearted and bonded. They aren’t. This is because they just ignore certain facets of a person, pretending they don’t exist. It seems such a shame, to be afraid of knowing someone completely.
 
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In this case, Semper has not oversimplified or read selectively. The document says that unless homosexual tendencies have been overcome. Homosexuals cannot enter seminary including those who have SSA and are trying to bear that cross (deep-seated I.e. not going go away)
In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called “gay culture”[10].

Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women. One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies.

Different, however, would be the case in which one were dealing with homosexual tendencies that were only the expression of a transitory problem - for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded. Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate.
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Honestly, I am really surprised by this. People struggle with and bear all sorts of crosses. Some people bear their crosses exceedingly well. I can understand why someone engaged in homosexual acts would be disqualified. However, it seems a shame to completely deny someone with only tendencies their vocation simply because their SSA is not going away. :confused:
 
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mrsdizzyd said:
n this case, Semper has not oversimplified or read selectively. The document says that unless homosexual tendencies have been overcome.
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You have it right, but Semper, is summarily dismissing your second sentence, which is central to the Vatican’s stance on the matter, and makies a generalization implying “ALL” those with tendencies are to be barred from ordination.
 
Thorolfr said:
I don’t like keeping secrets any more and constantly being afraid all the time that I might slip up and everyone will find out.
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That’s the whole point of Pride Parades, which encourages people to be proud of who they are. The problem is when who we are involves a sinful lifestyle. Then there’s nothing to be proud about. Thus one has to differentiate between an inclination, and actually embracing the inclination. The problem with inclinations is that not all of them are good or worthy of embracing or celebrating.

As a guide for spiritual pilgrims, the Church has identified and defined all the harmful inclinations that are spiritual dangers to the soul, that threaten to enslave us and destroy our spiritual journey toward God. These inclinations are divided into seven categories and unmask the root sin for behind each inclination. If we do not guard against these inclinations they can lead to a specific vice. A vice is an addiction to acting out our sinful inclinations. When not counteracted with the seven virtues, each one of the vices can splinter and morph into categories and subcategories of darker more perverse branches of the inclination. Thus Sexual activity outside of marriage between a man and a woman is always degenerate, and we see in the pride parades the many deformations and abominations which one specific inclination can degenerate into.
 
Kinda but no. A man who’s urge to reproduce is naturally ordered is not prone to give it up if stronger natural urges is the disorder nor will he discern a solution to his disordered passions as a gift of celibacy and a call to the Priesthood. Many SSA males want to submerge there attraction in the Priesthood or even come to think the disorder they suffer is the tool God used to call them. An all male community is not a safe place for SSA men. The confessional is a more difficult burden for men with disordered sexual passions than men who have properly ordered sexual passions.
 
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None of those constitute a vocation. A vocation is your main job. The purpose you were born for. You’re going to have a hard time convincing people that while other people are chosen to be priests, parents, and spouses, the only plan God has for them is to do readings or play tambourine.
 
Being alone is not that bad. There are many of us who are alone. We cope as best we can and rely on God’s grace to get through the day. Is it a struggle? Of course but then who said life was easy?

As someone with autism I have to come to terms with the fact that I will never get married. Women are supposed to be the emotional caretakers of the marriage and I do not have the social skills to do that.
 
Straight people do not go around discussing their sexuality?

They do all the time. They discuss their relationships with their significant other often in too much detail.

They brag about their “conquests “. Well this occurs in secular circles but the Christian world is not much better especially among Protestant Evangelicals. Married people are considered a higher and more holier order of being than the merely single. If you are struggling with SSA? Well don’t even dare to divulge that.
 
If someone is living a lifestyle that includes unrepentently and regularly engaging in homosexual acts, they can certainly attend Roman Catholic Mass. They may not receive Holy Communion.
 
Sarcelle said:
They brag about their “conquests “.
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That’s just another example of the misuse of sexuality. Homosexual acts as well as heterosexual acts outside of marriage are both terrible sins, leading to the same hell, just different departments…
 
In listing some “difficulties” of single life, the article states, “You may want to go for a hike but you don’t because it may not be safe to do so on your own.”
I love hiking alone. Because I’m really never alone. I’m with God.
As far as physical safety, well, feeling my .357 on my hip helps with that insecurity.
 
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Gab123 said:
That’s just another example of the misuse of sexuality. Homosexual acts as well as heterosexual acts outside of marriage are both terrible sins, leading to the same hell, just different departments…
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That’s a new revelation to me. I didn’t know that gay people go to their own special department in hell. :roll_eyes:
 
True

However I am getting the impression that it is because of homosexuality that the family is struggling.

Actually it is because of straight people and their sins.
 
It would take an inside take of hell and its different bureaucracies.

Is it any different than the DMV?
 
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