What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?

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I also want to make something very clear. If you ship all people with homosexual tendencies off into a convent where they are surrounded by the same sex, temptations escalate, they do not disappear. That is the reality of it.
 
Yes, you are correct. LGBT people in the church need support to live by the churches standards, and there isn’t enough of that in the church. But the answer isn’t in shipping them off on some island, in some monastery or convent. Not that someone couldn’t in theory deal with homosexuality in a religious setting, but that is far from the only way you can deal with it.
 
Gab123 said:
I think you are putting out a lot if ideas that the Church doesn’t preach.
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As for homosexuality, heterosexuality, transvestites, transexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, and people questioning their sexuality, etc. the key is to first stop identifying and defining human beings as “LGBT people” as it only furthers the agenda of the spirit behind the movement.
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But I asked you a question. The OP asked:what are your ideas for vocation in the Church for transexuals, pansexual, men who are sexually turned on by male bodies, and people questioning their sexual orientation?
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And I answered it before you even asked it and even quoted my post when you asked in your earlier post. IN order of posting:
Bruised_Reed said:
Do you have anything to offer regarding the OP’s question? Besides don’t sin. It’s not surprising if you don’t; most people didn’t really have anything new to offer, including me.
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But before you do, tell me, what are your ideas for vocations in the Church for the transexuals, pansexuals, and those questioning their gender and sexuality, and for men who find the male body sexually attractive?
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Bruised_Reed said:
As I suspected, you didn’t read what I wrote.

Bruised_Reed:
most people didn’t really have anything new to offer, including me
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I’m even more certain that you aren’t reading my posts and possibly others’ posts but just posing your agenda.
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No matter what I say, I cannot convince you. You are naturally suspicious of me — probably of all gay people in general
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Not so. Again, I am suspicious of the LGBT movement just like I’m always suspicious bout the abortion movement. The problem is that people are brainwashed by their message and begin to adopt their rationalizations and terminology to normalize crimes against humanity.
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all the times I emphasize that this thread is about RESPECTING CURRENT Church teaching
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Yes you do, but notice how you speak about the Church’s “current teachings”. “Current teachings”? As if it is only a question of time for the “current teachings” to change and future pope’s will bless gay marriage?

It’s not about “respecting” Church teaching as “respecting someone’s opinion” but rather about believing Church teaching.

, I have always separated the difference between sin and sinner; yet you accuse me of hating the sinner. You take offense when I speak of homosexual acts as abominations. Why on earth would you take offense at something that is i]an abomination in God’s eyes? Do you take offense when I call oppressing widows and orphans an abomination? Abortion is also abomination as it means children end up in trash cans.

The problem is the LGBT agenda.
 
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This is absolutely true.

There is a clear distinction between.
  1. The natural order.
  2. Abomination and sin in the eyes of God.
  3. The place of a person tempted by the sin of homosexuality in the place of the church.
  4. Love of the sinner
  5. Hatred of the sin.
It’s really much simplier than its being laid out to be.
 
Yes you do, but notice how you speak about the Church’s “current teachings”. “Current teachings”? As if it is only a question of time for the “current teachings” to change and future pope’s will bless gay marriage?
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See. Again, you aren’t taking me at my word, but instead trying to pick apart every. thing. I. say.

Only you would see “current” as an issue.

Gay sex is a sin in a Catholic Church. Happy now?
 
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The problem is the LGBT agenda.
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The problem is thinking the best pastoral approach is throwing “ABOMINATION!” in every gay person’s face.

It won’t work.

You aren’t relevant to this thread. Why do you participate? Go write a book on the “abomination” of homosexuality, if you’d like. Or start a thread. Do something productive with your time.
 
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Hey, ALL READING this thread, (1) are you gay and (2) is Gab123 helping you in any way??

Or, even if you’re not gay, do you think Gaba123 is providing meaningful (name removed by moderator)ut to this thread?

Let’s just settle this already.

@Prodigal_Son @Bruised_Reed @MaryClare @DarkLight @theCardinalbird @Thorolfr
 
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You aren’t relevant to this thread. Why do you participate?
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I’m simply responding to statements being made for the sake of future readers that happen upon this thread.

I think the fact that the LGBT agenda has permeated entertainment, politics, the justice system, and. every stage of education —from kindergarten through higher education—and now specifically targeting Christianity through politically financed “grassroots” strategies (such as “The New Reformation project”) with the aim of dividing the flock against the teachings of the Church through a very subtle and gradual normalization via a so-called “affirming theology”— it is imperative for the average Catholic to be astute enough at least to be aware that they are being targeted and conditioned from inside their local churches, in online forums, and by peers who have already already swallowed the lies, and speaking with the mindset and language defined by the LGBT movement.

Through very cunning arguments that are specifically tailored to systematically break down the Christian mindset they use the language of the Church, the Scriptures and cunning theological arguments to tear apart the fabric of truth in the minds of the faithful.

I have noticed these threads about LGBT on Catholic forums, use the very same terminology and approach that the seminars and workbooks teac must be implemented as a foundation and “first step” toward the ultimate goal of conquering the minds of the faithful. So whether you realize it or not, every movement from hell has useful idiots who do the groundwork; so it’s not a bad thing to unmask the strategy.

So, don’t mind me; skip my posts if you don’t like what I have to say. I’m here for the youth, the poorly catechized, and the unsure, who happen upon these threads, who are usually the soft targets of the movement.

but you’re the one who said that you have been “in and out of the Church” simply because you didn’t feel welcome as a “gay”man; and you speak about the Church’s teachings on the subject as “current teachings”, and praise books by people who in 1000 ways say the Church is wrong on gay marriage, without actually saying it yet.

 
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Gab123 said:
I have noticed these threads about LGBT on Catholic forums, use the very same terminology and approach that the seminars and workbooks teac must be implemented as a foundation and “first step” toward the ultimate goal of conquering the minds of the faithful. So whether you realize it or not, every movement from hell has useful idiots who do the groundwork; so it’s not a bad thing to unmask the strategy.
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Here’s my question:

Is there anything at all we could do other then pretending to not have these issues that wouldn’t count to you as some sort of infiltration? Because it sure sounds to me like any option other than “pretend to be purely heterosexual” puts us as an enemy of the church.
 
DarkLight said:
Is there anything at all we could do other then pretending to not have these issues that wouldn’t count to you as some sort of infiltration?
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The LGBT infiltration has polluted the minds of people to the point that many unwittingly use the definitions, terminology and rationalizations of the movement; the strategy is by design and it is very insidious. I don’t blame the people on this forum who are struggling with homosexuality; I blame the LGBT movement for ffectively brainwashing people to think about the issue through LGBT-colored glasses, that is, a worldly mindset, rather than a spiritual mindset centered on Jesus Christ. If one only approaches the issue from the standpoint of keeping Commandments, then one is setting one’s self up for a huge fall. The key is to approach it from a standpoint of conversion to Christ, keeping an eye on the eternal and crowding out the voices of the world with the voices of truth; reading Scripture and the lives of the saints is a perfect place to start…
 
Gab123 said:
The key is to approach it from a standpoint of conversion to Christ, keeping an eye on the eternal and crowding out the voices of the world with the voices of truth; reading Scripture and the lives of the saints is a perfect place to start…
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Wouldn’t community also be a good thing? 🙂
 
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I’m not watching that video unless YOU can point out at WHAT point Fr James Martin says “The Bible is okay with gay sex.” Until you can prove that he says that in the video, it is mere slander.
 
Gab123 said:
If one only approaches the issue from the standpoint of keeping Commandments, then one is setting one’s self up for a huge fall.
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But every single time we ask for more than just “keeping Commandments,” you tell us we’re not doing it right because we need to be focused on the commandments more…

Here’s what I’m seeing: We’re saying, ok, we want to go past just keeping the commandments, but here’s some struggles we’re having that make it difficult to grow and live as Catholics. And we’re getting told no, we should stop talking about those, because it’s secretly just a way to encourage people to not keep the commandments if we want to search for anything but more ways to keep the commandments.
 
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