What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?

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Gab123 said:
Here is a video that does a good job describing the direction of the movement you will probably live to see in your lifetime…
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Do you really think that this Mark Collett who did the video you posted is a good source of information about anything? Among his other videos:
“The Plot to Flood Europe with 200 Million Africans”

“Horrific Anti-White Racist Attack Buried by the Media”

“No Whites Allowed: Evergreen College’s Anti-White Policy Backfires”

“Writing Europeans Out of Their Own History”
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He sounds a bit racist to me and is someone prone to conspiracy theories.

Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about Mark Collett:
Collett featured on a Channel 4 documentary on the BNP [British National Party] - Young, Nazi and Proud broadcast in 2002 which concentrated almost exclusively on Collett. He declared his admiration for Adolf Hitler and said that he considered AIDS a “friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it”, unaware he was being recorded. Collett made similar remarks while on Russell Brand’s 2002 TV show RE:Brand, in which he described homosexuals as “AIDS Monkeys”, “bum bandits” and “faggots”.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Collett

It tells us a lot if this is someone whose work you admire.
 
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You do realize that being attracted to the same sex and children is not the same thing right?
 
I am not saying that its not sin, but what I am saying, is that someone is not going mess with your kids just because they are attracted to the same sex. Its a different kind of perversion.
 
Gab123 said:
Yes. I agree. The problem is when one insist on embracing the terminology, definitions, language and reasonings promulgated by the LGBT movement and bring them inside the Church. The best thing to do is to be done with the LGBT influence on your mindset, and the best way to do this is to unmask the wickedness behind the LGBT movement; once you do that you will realize that the movement is about destroying God’s image in men and women . The LGBT movement defines human being in order to manipulate them. Here is a video that does a good job describing the direction of the movement you will probably live to see in your lifetime…
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The counter problem here is that there simply aren’t terms. The traditional response was pretty much to pretend that LGBT issues don’t exist. There are no words and no terms and no language because everyone just kind of acted like it wasn’t a thing and expected people to act like heterosexuals no matter what. Unless we are to invent a brand new way of talking and thinking, we must use modern terms.

Also, as someone who actually is familiar with the LGBT movement, the “normalize pedophilia” thing I have only ever heard from people who are opposed to it. It seems to me to be more of a smear campaign than anything else. The only thing I have seen are attempts to bring laws in line so homosexual and heterosexual sex are seen as equivalent - which involves decriminalizing sex between minors, and between older minors and young adults. (As an aside, one thing I have seen frequently is members of the LGBT movement pushing to take female-on-male statutory rape seriously, rather than dismissing it based on gender.)
 
Maybe you should put down the specific time when the video says something that is unorthodox or something.
 
@Gab123, You have to know that – to be blunt – it’s Christians like you who keep me away from the Catholic Church.

I don’t know if you’ve ever experienced SSA or not (I would assume not from the way you post), but for me, being gay is not just a “cross” in the Church but often, a real impediment intellectually. I don’t think it makes sense for me to be in a church that would have your view. No, I don’t think that at all.

Thankfully, not everyone in the Catholic Church proceeds the way you do, which is why I still press onward, hoping to find home in the Catholic Church.

I’m not going to give up – the Catholic Church is large and creative, despite what online factions express. I find it unfortunate that you have been one of the most dedicated members of this thread, since you aren’t addressing the issue.

It’s the kind of replies that you give that confirm my fears about being gay in the Catholic Church. That truly, according to you, there is no real way forward other than not having sex. That’s your only answer.
 
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Some more productive resources for Christians interested in LGBT vocation all the while being more attentive to traditional Christian teaching on marriage:

spiritualfriendship.org

Spiritual Friendship

Musings on God, friendship, relationships
spiritualfriendship.org spiritualfriendship.org

www.patheos.com

There's A Place For Us Part II: More On Revoice & Gay Christian Homemaking

Part One was all about how straight people are wonderful and we would like to be your friends! Part Two is... not about that. Sometimes when I talk about
www.patheos.com www.patheos.com

 
The thread seems to be about the lgbt movement, and I thought I was reading posts from individual Catholic people who need to discuss their place in the church as a gay person.
 
simpleas said:
The thread seems to be about the lgbt movement, and I thought I was reading posts from individual Catholic people who need to discuss their place in the church as a gay person.
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That was the original idea. It just got derailed.

Some people seem to see any request for discussion of gay Catholics as some form of secret infiltration attempt.
 
Part 2: New thread, and the OP couldn’t be any clearer.
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Part 2: Vocations to love & relationship for faithful LGBT Christians Moral Theology
BACKGROUND: This thread is based off a similar one, which has essentially been hijacked by off-topic and alarmist tendencies. So let me be clear: This thread assumes that LGBT Christians are dedicated to Christian moral teachings as based in the Catholic Church (and other similar traditions). (1) Participation necessitates a sympathetic approach. If you are not gay, for example, and aren’t close to any gay people, then please have a listening ear. (2) In this thread, assume “gay” is equivalent…
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The current conversations re: Gab, etc., can continue here.
 
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catholic1seeks said:
but for me, being gay is not just a “cross” in the Church but often, a real impediment intellectually . I don’t think it makes sense for me to be in a church that would have your view. No, I don’t think that at all. Thankfully, not everyone in the Catholic Church proceeds the way you do, which is why I still press onward, hoping to find home in the Catholic Church.
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Instead about making it all about you, the key is to make it all about Jesus. After all, He suffered and gave His life for us to be saved, the key is to understand what dying to one’s self is all about. I’m sorry if you find me annoying, I’m not trying to be; I’m actually trying to be very charitable; but one can never negotiate with the truth, especially when speaking about issues where organized movements are masquerading evil in their attempt to hoodwink the minds of the faithful. truth with charity doesn’t mean we are to shut up out of fear of offending someone. Maybe I need to use smiley emoticons when I type? I’m not angry nor do I hate you; on the contrary, I want you to be happy…
catholic1seeks said:
I’m not going to give up – the Catholic Church is large and creative, despite what online factions express. I find it unfortunate that you have been one of the most dedicated members of this thread, since you aren’t addressing the issue.
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Again, this thread has 1000+ posts and I wrote plenty about what the Scriptures, the Church, the Catechism and the saints teach on how to be sanctified and grow spiritually. Jesus is God; God made you; so the key is to listen to what Jesus says and what He teaches through His Church.
catholic1seeks said:
It’s the kind of replies that you give that confirm my fears about being gay in the Catholic Church. That truly, according to you, there is no real way forward other than not having sex. That’s your only answer.
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Don’t be afraid; Jesus founded a Church as a hospital for sinners, and we’re all sinners. I wrote plenty about how to move forward; You mentioned multiple times that you weren’t going to read my post; so maybe you’re skipping lots of what I said.
catholic1seeks said:
it’s Christians like you who keep me away from the Catholic Church.
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If that’s you’re outlook, then it sounds like you don’t believe in Jesus Christ nor I the fact that He founded the Catholic Church. I’m simply posting for the sake of people who might be prone to swallow the lies coming from the LGBT movement. You got mad t me after I called homosexual acts abominations. That’s puzzling.
 
You got mad t me after I called homosexual acts abominations. That’s puzzling.
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(1) Because this thread, from the get-go, assumes traditional Catholic teaching.

(2) Because that’s a highly selective term that is HARDLY EVER applied to any other sin.

(3) Because this thread is of a pastoral nature. Rooted in Catholic teaching, sure. But if you think throwing “abomination!” out over and over again is going to help a Christian who already knows the Church’s teaching, and is intent on following it, then you are mistaken.

OH and (4) “abomination” has a certain connotation to most English speakers that is not totally equivalent to the biblical essence. Note its definition from Merriam-Webster: “a thing that causes disgust or hatred.”
 
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Gab123 said:
Instead about making it all about you, the key is to make it all about Jesus.
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Is this how you reply to everyone who starts a thread or asks a question on CAF? 🤔

After all, no one should struggle! No one should ask questions! No one should seek help! Just focus on Jesus! If you have intellectual difficulties – or any other kind – you must not have real faith! You must not believe in Christ! :roll_eyes:
 
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