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One of the main problem is that abortion is seen as a non issue from the law and at the consequence for general society and individuals.

When we think that, the easier thing to do is to do nothing or stop doing something. It is the choice of every woman nd nobody should try to dissuade her or help her to find an alternative. it can even become illegal to act or express an opinion.

Surely it is easier and less costy from everybody to paid for the abortion of a woman (through inassurance) than to create affordable housing for every family in need and shelter for pregnant women/young mothers in hard situation.

Some little carative organisations or individuals offer real help - but limited in number of women. But it is temporary, one time or another, after birth, after 6 months or after 1 year of the baby the help will stop and the woman/baby should take in charge her own life. She can take a new start from the help she received and from the social help or because of a better family siuation, or she can come back to difficult life where finding enough to eat and have a decent roof would be a constant battle…
 
TryingtoGainFaith said:
It was Satan who gives the illusion to woman to rule the family, (instead of being ruled by husband) that necessitate all the thoughts of affordable housing, living etc in their immature minds. Together as a (married) family all these can be done easily, and a loved/trusted husband would go to any extent to take care of his family. And with God’s grace it does work.
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I’d like to hope this is in jest, but sadly, it probably is not.
 
TryingtoGainFaith said:
Together as a (married) family all these can be done easily, and a loved/trusted husband would go to any extent to take care of his family. And with God’s grace it does work.
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Let me make sure I understand, if my family is in poverty, it is because we are immature and that we do not get enough grace from God?

This sounds like a combination of “bootstrapping” and “prosperity gospel”, neither of which are Catholic teachings.
 
Yeah, you know how they proclaim those as much as they weigh in on immigration policy?! 😊
 
As someone who literally interacts with the USCCB every day, they address all of the issues of Catholic Social and Moral Doctrine.
 
As a Joe average Catholic, I have never seen the USCCB proclaim “don’t live together before marriage. Don’t have kids with someone before marriage. Don’t sleep with somebody you’re not married to”.
Literally all I see them supporting are social justice / immigration.
I would love for others to comment – do the bishops / USCCB do moral instruction? Or is it mainly immigration / border issues?
 
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Jen95 said:
I would love for others to comment – do the bishops / USCCB do moral instruction?
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If I can dig up a link like these within a matter of seconds, so can you. http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/morality/index.cfm

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/love-and-sexuality/index.cfm

I will add on a broader scale, social justice is morality. It determines how we treat the unborn, women with unplanned pregnancies, elderly, immigrants, and other vulnerable populations.
 
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RCIAGraduate said:
Shouldn’t we be careful about phrasing it that like like we’re limiting women and when other people read this, they’ll think up the “barefoot and pregnant” I do agree on making more child and family friendly (pro child, pro family pro life) though.
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Yes.
Also women wirh fertility problems may find this phrasing hurtful :confused:
 
Of course, we can be a married family and be poor.

On the average people who are married experience poverty at a lesser degree than the broken families.
Or if we can say differently, marriage made poverty easier and divorce would increase the existing poverty or make individuals fall into it.
 
Jen95 said:
I would love for others to comment – do the bishops / USCCB do moral instruction? Or is it mainly immigration / border issues?
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From a french perspective:
I heard the bishops speaking on justice to migrants, social justice, preference for the poor, environmental concerned, care for the elderly and people in end of life, and bioethical topics and reforms and reflexions on major families reforms (such as gay marriage). Including concerned for unborn lives. Because it is the topics that can be heard from the general society or because the government ask for their contribution among others experts.

I never heard them to do moral instruction such as “you should never cohabit before marriage” or black and white condamnation of abortion.
 
Jen95 said:
As a Joe average Catholic, I have never seen the USCCB proclaim “don’t live together before marriage. Don’t have kids with someone before marriage. Don’t sleep with somebody you’re not married to”.
Literally all I see them supporting are social justice / immigration.
I would love for others to comment – do the bishops / USCCB do moral instruction? Or is it mainly immigration / border issues?
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If you go to the USCCB website you will find all the Church teaching on marriage and family life.
 
Jen95 said:
Literally all I see them supporting are social justice / immigration.
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To be fair, isn’t it a personal issue for a lot of people (immigration especially), why go for a Church that tells you what to do but doesn’t stand for you when you need it (from the view of people like immigrants even undocumented ones)? Not taking a side but showing perspective like I remember reading a comment from elsewhere making the comparison that young people have more tangible issues like concerns about the environment, probably health care and the economy (like the cost of raising a child or having a family in this day and age) but to you, the Church seems to be moralizing, another comparison online I found (please pray for this country’s Church) that a certain Catholic country has a strong Catholic tradition because the Church was allied with anti-communist forces during their time in the Iron Curtain, nowadays, for the young people today, the Church seems to be an authority figure telling them what to do instead of someone standing by them or in the Holy Father’s words accompanying them (maybe the Church isn’t doing enough or can’t do so much for a lot of people like young people without much in the way of social support and in need of community or the Church lacks the means locally to work with families struggling with complex issues)?

I know it seems like I’m countering you but what I really want is to hear your response to all this? And with the USCCB, what about the fact they are trying to do what they think is right, the human arms of the Church can only reach so far therefore, let’s use our voice? Like the poor and the working class, they cannot donate or give much or if any at all, but they have a voice, why try to limit that?
 
I think it’s short-sighted when the bishops, priests, or the USCCB condemn abortion, but then don’t say the obvious follow-up:
Don’t be intimate outside marriage – which would help prevent a lot of abortions, and children living in poverty.
There’s been a huge increase in babies born to single moms, which is the number one risk factor for childhood poverty.
 
One can also find these things at your local Diocese website.
 
Every practicing Catholic I know who is over teen age years know that sex outside of marriage is a sin. They may choose to ignore it, or think they are special and the rules don’t apply, but, they know the Church’s stance. Most of the general public knows that the Church teaches sex is only for marriage.

Do you encounter many practicing Catholics who do not already know this?
 
Why do they npass along any message then, either in homilies, or Bishop’s newsletters, if all that was needed was to google what we teach? The reality is most people in the pews are not looking at the Diocesan website, fewer still not in the pews are.

She isn’t saying that the Church doesn’t have a position oin the matter, but that that position is strikingly absent from public exortations relative to other messages we hear, like immigration, as her example.
 
Dr_Meinheimer said:
Why do they npass along any message then, either in homilies, or Bishop’s newsletters, if all that was needed was to google what we teach? The reality is most people in the pews are not looking at the Diocesan website, fewer still not in the pews are.

She isn’t saying that the Church doesn’t have a position oin the matter, but that that position is strikingly absent from public exortations relative to other messages we hear, like immigration, as her example.
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The question of relative emphasis is a policy matter for the clergy to decide. Surely it is an exaggeration to say that sexual morality is not taught from the pulpit, or from the bishops. I suspect the real problem is not the absence of teaching of sexual morality, but rather the presence of teaching about social justice matters, which many politically right-wing Catholics have difficulty accepting.
 
You’ve never heard of Catholics who cohabitate before marriage? Heck, they’re even here on CAF.
 
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