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TheLittleLady
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Yes, they do, however they know that what they are doing is considered sinful.
Just like when I lie, I know it is a sin and I do it anyway.
Just like when I lie, I know it is a sin and I do it anyway.
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Jen95
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So, if the bishops condemn abortion, you don’t think it would be meaningful if they gave some hints on moral behavior for young people to not get in that situation?
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TheLittleLady
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I’ve never in all my life, the many Bishops I have personally worked with and those I simply am aware of, seen a Bishop who does not talk about the moral teachings of the Church. Who does not allocate time, money and resources to getting those topics out to everyone.
If your Bishop does not have at least a webpage, maybe you can volunteer to help?
If your Bishop does not have at least a webpage, maybe you can volunteer to help?
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Jen95
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Have you seen your bishop have a press conference about the decline in personal morality?
LeafByNiggle
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In my opinion it would be a bad idea to link the two (valid) teachings of the Church in that matter. Abstaining from sex, if taught as a means of avoiding abortion, undercuts the essentials of both teachings. It leads one to think that if one is very careful (using effective birth control), extra-marital sex is OK, because after all, abortion is avoided, and that was the (linked) reason to abstain. It leads one to think that if pregnancy happens as the result of rape, then abortion is OK, because after all, the person did nothing sexually immoral. No, the linkage between the two teachings is a purely practical one, and not a moral one. The bishops are right not to link them. They should be taught as separate doctrines with their own separate justifications. Giving one of them as the justification for the other distracts from the more doctrinally sound justifications these teachings have.
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TheLittleLady
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The list of things I have not seen my bishop hold a press conference on (grammar feels strange there):
The Eucharist
The Divinity of Christ
Confession
Baptism
Subsidiarity
Lenten Fast
The increase in Vocations
The decline in US Abortions
A press conference is not the normative way of catechizing folks.
The Eucharist
The Divinity of Christ
Confession
Baptism
Subsidiarity
Lenten Fast
The increase in Vocations
The decline in US Abortions
A press conference is not the normative way of catechizing folks.
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Jen95
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Yes, it’s strange isn’t it that they feel the need to have press conferences about immigration / border issues but nothing else.
LeafByNiggle
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No, it is not strange, nor is it true.
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TheLittleLady
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The two December Press Conferences from the USCCB are about a couple of bishops’ appointments.
The November Press Conferences were about many topics, from bishops’ appointments to poverty, three were about abortion.
Do you read the USCCB news?
http://www.usccb.org/news/
The November Press Conferences were about many topics, from bishops’ appointments to poverty, three were about abortion.
Do you read the USCCB news?
http://www.usccb.org/news/
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VanitasVanitatum
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That’s already a popular topic.
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Aquinas11
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Not when realize they’ve received $2 BILLION in Government funding for immigration programs. They’re politically compromised
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Lea101
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I’ve heard reasons like raising a child is too expensive for them, their religious parents would disown them for finding out that they have had sex, that being a single mother has stigma and in a conservative culture, they aren’t respected.
Tbh, we can be honest enough to say that having children changes your whole life. For some, for the better, for others…for the worse. These women know it, so they choose abortions.
One friend I know kept her baby and was pressured into marrying the father. She’s happy with the baby, but extremely unhappy with the father. As expected, lol.
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PennyinCanada
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If only those were the reasons they used to not have sex in the first place, not to rationalize having an abortion.
As long as abortion is available everywhere, and paid for by someone else, it will always be the back up plan.
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melonhead
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DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!! And there’s the connection, folks.
I will say fortunately, I’ve never had to talk a girlfriend out of having an abortion. I don’t mean to sound like I’m casting stones, as I have my own baggage (don’t we all), but it seems that if you’re scared he’ll leave you if you don’t abort, that’s a discussion that should’ve come up before doing the deed.
That being said, that’s gotta be a terrifying situation, and yes, I support safety networks to help single, expecting moms.
What happened to “his wallet, his choice?” Wait, never mind, that “choice” thingy only goes one way…
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PennyinCanada
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We understand that the Old Testament has many signposts that point forward in time to when Christ was to come.
For example, while there was a great battle, Moses was up high watching how it was going. …
Exodus 17:12-14 Good News Translation (GNT)
12 When Moses’ arms grew tired, Aaron and Hur brought a stone for him to sit on, while they stood beside him and held up his arms, holding them steady until the sun went down. 13 In this way Joshua totally defeated the Amalekites.
The image is of Moses on a rock, a man to his right, a man to his left, Moses’ arms outstretched. Go forward in time and there is Christ on the cross with arms stretched out, with the good thief and bad thief on his right and his left.
Why am I pointing this out?
In Advent we look to Christ’s second coming.
Do we have scripture in the Old Testament regarding his second coming? Yes we do.
The plagues of Egypt.
Right before the Israelites crossed the Red Sea on dry ground, and the army of Pharoah was obliterated, we have the plagues. Yes, that is the image of the future of Christ coming, and defeating the enemy, and bringing his people to the Promised Land.
We have, right before the liberation of the people of God, we have the death of the first born of Egypt.
The Israelites took an unblemished lamb and put it’s blood on the doorposts of their homes, and death passed them by.
Today we witness in a way never seen before in human history, the people of God marked with the blood of the Lamb, and the surrounding culture, which is sacrificing their first born to abortion. Death has indeed come to this culture. Indeed today we see all kinds of plagues and calamities. The first born of this culture is missing.
May Jesus, King of the Universe, Come!
For example, while there was a great battle, Moses was up high watching how it was going. …
Exodus 17:12-14 Good News Translation (GNT)
12 When Moses’ arms grew tired, Aaron and Hur brought a stone for him to sit on, while they stood beside him and held up his arms, holding them steady until the sun went down. 13 In this way Joshua totally defeated the Amalekites.
The image is of Moses on a rock, a man to his right, a man to his left, Moses’ arms outstretched. Go forward in time and there is Christ on the cross with arms stretched out, with the good thief and bad thief on his right and his left.
Why am I pointing this out?
In Advent we look to Christ’s second coming.
Do we have scripture in the Old Testament regarding his second coming? Yes we do.
The plagues of Egypt.
Right before the Israelites crossed the Red Sea on dry ground, and the army of Pharoah was obliterated, we have the plagues. Yes, that is the image of the future of Christ coming, and defeating the enemy, and bringing his people to the Promised Land.
We have, right before the liberation of the people of God, we have the death of the first born of Egypt.
The Israelites took an unblemished lamb and put it’s blood on the doorposts of their homes, and death passed them by.
Today we witness in a way never seen before in human history, the people of God marked with the blood of the Lamb, and the surrounding culture, which is sacrificing their first born to abortion. Death has indeed come to this culture. Indeed today we see all kinds of plagues and calamities. The first born of this culture is missing.
May Jesus, King of the Universe, Come!
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VanitasVanitatum
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They’re no longer in a position to do that, so it’s not a practical suggestion.
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Lea101
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I don’t disagree, but it’s a waste of time saying these things when people are actually pregnant and are considering abortion.
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annem
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Most cities have Catholic organizations that help pregnant women. In my city, we have an apartment house where they can stay, help with obtaining jobs or schooling, and the help continues after the baby is born, frequently for a number of years.
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Very cute - but the reality I’ve seen is very, very grim. Young men who will do anything rather than take on a wife and child. Here’s an especially annoying one: a 40 yr old graduate of an elite Catholic high school is about to have his second illegitimate child. He’s rich and doesn’t want the bother and expensive of a wife and child. Yes, he’s an acknowledged atheist. And ever so pleased with himself.
On a very much lower social level, I spoke with a 20 something woman who was being threatened by her live in boyfriend, who screamed at her he would leave if she didn’t abort the child. She did have the abortion, the boy left within a week, and the young woman is suicidal and tattooed the date of the abortion on her stomach.
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