What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Polak]

The police all have guns. Gee, do you think they might ever misuse them?

You are only focusing on the police again though. One would think you might have a bias. Sure, they might misuse them. Why haven’t you talked about the fact that perps are also more likely to have a guns in the US too, and when a cop knows they are much more likely to have a gun, they have to have a different level of caution?

In the UK nobody the police come into contact with is expected to have a gun. Sure, the police still have to be weary, but they don’t have that same fear of being shot as they do in the US. By the way, many police officers have also been shot in the US. Have you talked about that?

 

[Erikaspirit16]

There is actually no proof

we have no ironclad proof

I guess you haven’t been reading my many posts about the right wing use of the word “proof.” Of course we have no “proof” in the meaning you’re giving it. Nor do we have “proof” that you’re not an alien from outer space. Nor do we have “proof” that we aren’t all hallucinating all of this. You don’t have “proof” that I’m not a Chinese agent sowing discord in society. This NEW use of the word “proof” is simply nonsensical.

Why haven’t you talked about the fact that perps are also more likely to have a guns in the US too, and when a cop knows they are much more likely to have a gun, they have to have a different level of caution?

Because that’s not the topic of the discussion.

we just don’t agree with the racist narrative especially when most of the Police present weren’t even white, and certainly not the result of some deeper conspiracy of institutional racism

You’re right, we don’t agree on the fundamental fact, so further discussion is impossible. I see (pun intended) black, you see white. My reality is not your reality. As for the police not being “white” you haven’t been paying attention to my repeated definition of race.

a large number of those British soldiers were Irish (Unionists)

This again shows you haven’t listened to what I’ve been saying. If you went up to those “Irish” Unionists and asked “Do you consider yourself Irish or British?” you know perfectly well that 100% of them would say “British.”

 

[Polak]

You’re right, we don’t agree on the fundamental fact, so further discussion is impossible.

You lose the argument right here, because you’re presenting a narrative as a fact, with no evidence (perhaps you prefer that to the word ‘proof’ you seem to dislike so much).

 

[Erikaspirit16]

no evidence

Evidence: blacks are 2-3 times more likely to die than whites as a result of police violence. Evidence: I have never seen a video of a black policemen killing a white man by kneeling on his neck. And so on. There is a LOT of evidence. There is no “proof” simply because that’s an impossibility.

 

[Polak]

Evidence: blacks are 2-3 times more likely to die than whites as a result of police violence. Evidence: I have never seen a video of a black policemen killing a white man by kneeling on his neck. And so on. There is a LOT of evidence. There is no “proof” simply because that’s an impossibility.

No, you’re wrong, these are individual cases that are not ‘evidence’ of racism.

Wanna know what else you haven’t seen? You haven’t see the many innocent white people who have also been killed by police. You know why? Because the media don’t show you that. Why don’t they? Because it doesn’t help the false narrative they are running that this only happens to black people because the cops are racist.

If I gave you a list of names of white people who have been unjustly killed by police, I wouldn’t be surprised if you told you haven’t heard of any of them.

 

[OnlyULord]

If I may add a prayer in this thread for all:

Come Holy Spirit, Divine Creator, true source of light and fountain of wisdom. Pour forth Your brilliance upon my dense intellect, dissipate the darkness which covers me, that of sin and of ignorance.

Grant me a penetrating mind to understand, a retentive memory, method and ease in learning, the lucidity to comprehend, and abundant grace in expressing myself. Guide the beginning of my work, direct it’s progress, and bring it to successful completion.

This I ask through Jesus Christ, true God and true man, living and reigning with You and the Father, forever and ever.

Peace be with you all!!!

 

[Erikaspirit16]

No, you’re wrong, these are individual cases that are not ‘evidence’ of racism.

Well, that’s quite an argument: “You’re wrong.” I’ll simply say we disagree and leave it at that.

You haven’t see the many innocent white people who have also been killed by police. You know why? Because the media don’t show you that. Why don’t they? Because it doesn’t help the false narrative they are running that this only happens to black people because the cops are racist.

If I gave you a list of names of white people who have been unjustly killed by police, I wouldn’t be surprised if you told you haven’t heard of any of them.

Actually I have. In my area the sheriff’s dept. regularly kills white people. They’ve only killed one black person as far as I know. (We’re talking excessive force here.) One famous case was a 19 y.o guy, white, who had a disagreement about drugs with his dealer. He beat up the dealer. Bad. But the police knew exactly who he was, where he lived, and where he worked (a gas station). They had a warrant for his arrest. He was not known for any other crimes or history of violence. So what would you do? I would get a squad car with two policemen, go to the gas station during the day and arrest him. What DID the police do? They got together a SWAT team (for a 19.y.o. kid!) and attacked his house at 4 AM–and when I say “attacked” it was a military-style operation. They lobbed gas grenades and flash bangs into the house and then came into the house from all doors. They found the kid in his bedroom upstairs–4 AM remember. He of course was both blinded by the gas and deafened by the flash bangs. He had no idea who was attacking him–I’m sure his first thought was that it was the drug dealer and his friends. So he grabbed a shotgun and the police shot him dead. Great work. Totally unnecessary use of force. I could give lots of other examples–from a small city of 60,000 with virtually no crime.

The black kid who was killed? A policeman was on duty at a local high school. There was a fight. The policeman was breaking up the fight. A black kid (15?) got too close and didn’t step back when ordered. The policeman tased him. He died almost immediately of a heart attack. Now imagine the school without police. No one would have been killed. The police presence simply escalated the situation.

As for a list of white names who have been unjustly killed, you’re missing–or intentionally denying–the point. They weren’t killed BECAUSE they were white. And of course you would argue the blacks killed aren’t killed BECAUSE they are black–despite evidence. But you deny the evidence.

Good talking to you!

 

[Poet]

There is where you went wrong. You got the sequence of events backwards. First came the movement BLM in 2013, and later on came the website and organization that you detest.

1. Detest? When did I say I detest them? I think they’re wrong. End of story.
2. It really doesn’t matter which order they happened in.

If XYZ organization stands for really bad policies and a bunch of people are chanting XYZ! an otherwise nice-sounding idea, not knowing what specifically the XYZ organization is promoting–it’s entirely beside the point which came first.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

There is where you went wrong. You got the sequence of events backwards. First came the movement BLM in 2013, and later on came the website and organization that you detest.

1. Detest? When did I say I detest them? I think they’re wrong. End of story.
2. It really doesn’t matter which order they happened in.

If XYZ organization stands for really bad policies and a bunch of people are chanting XYZ! an otherwise nice-sounding idea, not knowing what specifically the XYZ organization is promoting–it’s entirely beside the point which came first.

Of course it matters! If the XYZ movement came first, and did not at that time stand for really bad policies, and years later a not-so-nice group comes along and creates a website and and organization with the same name, there is no reason to blame the good XYZ movement people for what this later group proclaims. You see, the BLM movement in 2013 did not proclaim the Marxist policies that you say is in the website organization.

 

[Paddy1989]

Well looking at the hatred and division of cancel culture due to BLM thats brewing across the west, statues getting torn down, movies and tv shows removed, people fired from their jobs, opinions suppressed. Next they will be out burning books and hacking sites they deem racist or sexist due to the white patriarchal society. I wonder what that is reminiscent of?

Whoever was silly enough not to think this had a larger Marxist agenda, well look at the world now. No right minded person could defend this. BLM has backfired, it’s turning more people against it and these antics only expose it’s real agenda, as Catholics we can’t let ourselves get sucked in, we have to dig in, go to Mass and say the Rosary daily. The enemy is causing this

 

[petra22]

Many years ago my father warned me that I WAS who I hung around with… I thought that was a harsh thing to say, but the older I get the more it makes sense. Guilt by association… maybe I didn’t know what my friends believed in the deepest parts of their souls but it became evident as the years went by…

 

[Paddy1989]

Not the Bee | What a time to be alive

 

[Erikaspirit16]

One of my old friends (you guys would love him–one of the first SDS members!) posted something on Facebook, so I investigated, and his post was correct. There are a variety of articles, but this is a good summary by the associate dean at the School of Justice Studies at E. Kentucky U.-- A Brief History of Slavery and the Origins of American Policing | Police Studies Online

The issue is the origin of formal police forces in the US. Earlier there was the night watch, various volunteers, etc. but as cities grew they needed something different. In the South, police originated in slave patrols (imagine that!): “Slave patrols helped to maintain the economic order and to assist the wealthy landowners in recovering and punishing slaves who essentially were considered property…the literature clearly establishes that a legally sanctioned law enforcement system existed in America before the Civil War for the express purpose of controlling the slave population and protecting the interests of slave owners.”

OK, so how about the North? There were two problems: first, those nasty immigrants from Ireland and Germany. They had to be kept in line. Public disturbances, riots, etc. and the merchants of port cities like Boston and NY wanted someone to protect their warehouses. Someone hit on a brilliant idea: create a public police force to protect their property and tax everyone else to pay for it by claiming it was to fight crime! (Rather than hiring private guards for their warehouses.) Investigating crime was NOT one of their duties. Later in the 19th c. the wealthy found the police were useful for putting down labor trouble and strikes–and of course this continues today. (All this is found in various sources you can easily find with a search on the history of police in the US.)

Of course, other than being used to control strikers and riots (“protests”), modern police are more concerned with crime. But it’s interesting to see that they certainly didn’t start out that way, and certainly for blacks there is a long, long history of abuse by “police.” So the idea that the police were always there to “serve and protect” is simply wrong. They originated to control people who threatened the wealthy class…and you could make a very good argument that that’s exactly what they are doing today.

 

[Hume]

RE: The thread,

BLM isn’t one organization with a defined plank.

There isn’t a core set of beliefs other than “Black Lives Matter” with an implicit “too” on the end.

That’s it. No greater conspiracy or room full of some sort of elites trying to sew chaos and mayhem or attack the “Christian family” (or whatever other nonsense you linked at that start as being targeted by BLM).

 

[Paddy1989]

RE: The thread,

BLM isn’t one organization with a defined plank.

There isn’t a core set of beliefs other than “Black Lives Matter” with an implicit “too” on the end.

That’s it. No greater conspiracy or room full of some sort of elites trying to sew chaos and mayhem or attack the “Christian family” (or whatever other nonsense you linked at that start as being targeted by BLM).

There is a core set of Beliefs otherwise people are just shouting for the point of it, theres little point saying all this now when you have statues getting pulled down in the US and UK, TV and movies pulled of the air, protesters in Seattle extorting and businesses and people voice’s against it suppressed. The anger against BLM and it’s Marxist agenda is growing. it’s cancel culture gone mad, it was the same when the ultra left feminists went on the attack calling for media to be removed that was deemed sexist and opposition suppressed. They want to tear down the west and shape it in their image. I’m sure your following this to some extent?

On top of that and this is the biggest issue which tells one everything they need to know who about someone who defends all this but what about Covid-19? The total lack of regard with human life, the hippocricy of it all is astounding. It’s obvious this is just aloud to happen because it’s coming up to election time. Either that or you now are in a culture war with militants who want to truly tear down the west

 

[Hume]

There is a core set of Beliefs otherwise people are just shouting for the point of it,

It’s literally just “BLM”.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

This nonsense on “ultra leftists” and “attacks on Christian families” and “Marxism”…

Lebron James supports BLM. You think Lebron’s a Marxist? Please.

Someone is pulling your strings by appealing to your innate tribalist self… and you’re allowing them to do it.

 

[Hume]

Either that or you now are in a culture war with militants who want to truly tear down the west

Or, you know, it’s an angry mob similar to pretty much all angry mobs in history. No shadow organizations, no supposed antifa pulling the imaginary strings…

Like when angry Catholic mobs formed in the high middle ages. Usually a few foreign businesses got torn down and a few Jews got killed.

When an angry mobs form, violence usually happens. They’re angry.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

There is a core set of Beliefs otherwise people are just shouting for the point of it,

It’s literally just “BLM”.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

This nonsense on “ultra leftists” and “attacks on Christian families” and “Marxism”…

Lebron James supports BLM. You think Lebron’s a Marxist? Please.

Someone is pulling your strings by appealing to your innate tribalist self… and you’re allowing them to do it.

Lebron James isn’t BLM, the movement and those who support it are supporting it’s agenda whether they know it or not which is taking place. I mean one would have to simple not to see whats happening, what do you make of all this, the attack on western culture? Do you even know it exists?

The only tribalist’s are those advocating BLM to a society that already values ALL lives. BLM is a divisive movement based on a false narrative so it can push the idea that western culture is oppressive and patriarchal, we have the same with ultra left feminists and LBGTQI+ movements, now if your naive to that fair enough buy anyone even the smallest amount of sense can see whats happening.

Perhaps in the US you guys are all fine with this but the level of hatred that has come out of this in other parts of the world such as the UK can be felt, people are mainly angry at how even entertainment they enjoy is being removed in the name of racism and sexism. How their culture is being attacked. What is the point of it all?

 

[Hume]

Lebron James isn’t BLM,

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[StudentMI]

There is a LOT of evidence. There is no “proof” simply because that’s an impossibility.

And here we come to the center of the issue.