What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Either that or you now are in a culture war with militants who want to truly tear down the west

Or, you know, it’s an angry mob similar to pretty much all angry mobs in history. No shadow organizations, no supposed antifa pulling the imaginary strings…

Like when angry Catholic mobs formed in the high middle ages. Usually a few foreign businesses got torn down and a few Jews got killed.

When an angry mobs form, violence usually happens. They’re angry.

Angry mob? you mean the protesters tearing down statues and cultural symbols across the west? Just a few people is it, cmon stop pretending you don’t see it. Even a few days ago i wouldn’t have thought it was this bad until all across the world i see the division it has caused and with recent events certainly not in BLM favor who are trying to attack western culture itself

 

[Hume]

BLM is a divisive movement based on a false narrative so it can push the idea that western culture is oppressive and patriarchal, we have the same with ultra left feminists and LBGTQI+ movements,

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It’s literally just Black Lives Matter [Too].

That’s it. Stop baselessly generalizing…

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Lebron James isn’t BLM,

Oh?
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Lebron isn’t BLM, meaning he doesn’t lead or even know what this group stands for like many other naive individuals

 

[Hume]

Lebron isn’t BLM, meaning he doesn’t lead or even know what this group stands for like many other naive individuals

Again, it’s not an organization.

It’s just not.

It’s an idea that people are rallying around - some peacefully, some angrily. That’s all.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

BLM is a divisive movement based on a false narrative so it can push the idea that western culture is oppressive and patriarchal, we have the same with ultra left feminists and LBGTQI+ movements,

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It’s literally just Black Lives Matter [Too].

That’s it. Stop baselessly generalizing…

Rubbish. Keep those blinkers on but i can assure you it’s going to go well all this attack on art and cultural symbols of the west.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Lebron isn’t BLM, meaning he doesn’t lead or even know what this group stands for like many other naive individuals

Again, it’s not an organization.

It’s just not.

It’s an idea that people are rallying around - some peacefully, some angrily. That’s all.

Listen it’s an idea thats gone too far by attacking western society. Now either you don’t know what is happening or your perfectly fine with it

 

[Hume]

Listen it’s an idea thats gone too far by attacking western society.

The idea isn’t attacking anything. Some people are. The ad hominem fallacy teaches us to separate the man and the idea if we want to logically discuss something.

Now either you don’t know what is happening or your perfectly fine with it

And this is the fallacy of the false dichotomy.

Rubbish on both counts.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Listen it’s an idea thats gone too far by attacking western society.

The idea isn’t attacking anything. People are. The ad hominem fallacy teaches us to separate the man and the idea if we want to logically discuss something.

Now either you don’t know what is happening or your perfectly fine with it

And this is the fallacy of the false dichotomy.

Rubbish on both counts.

Listen i know all you think the protests are is going out and shouting BLM and then going home and thats fine, thats innocent of you. The thing is political movements don’t work like that, they protest and act to CHANGE things, and that change is evident in what is happening because of it attacking western culture turning people away from what it started in the first place.

Remember this exact same thing happened with the me too movement which protested against sexism, who ended up wanting the removal of movies, music and TV they deemed as sexist. Dictating what is sexist and what isn’t, it didn’t work for the leftists then and it won’t work now. We have been here before by the way

 

[Hume]

Listen i know all you think the protests are is going out and shouting BLM and then going home and thats fine, thats innocent of you.

No, I’m perfectly aware that in the US the vastly overwhelming majority of the protests are peaceful and without incident.
A storied group of protests aren’t.

The thing is political movements don’t work like that, they protest and act to CHANGE things, and that change is evident in what is happening because of it attacking western culture turning people away from what it started in the first place.

Well, sometimes in democracy you have to deal with people that don’t agree with you.

How awful that must be!

Remember this exact same thing happened with the me too movement which protested against sexism, who ended up wanting the removal of movies, music and TV they deemed as sexist.

I don’t know about the UK, but I can pull up literally any media produced in the last 100 years or so within minutes - including everything produced by that awful Harvey Weinstein.

Maybe it’s different in the UK, but folks in the US crying out to the rafters like you are have simply swallowed the fear-bait of their tribal talking heads. They’ve swallowed it so deeply it’s strung them through.

 

[Paddy1989]

BLM organisers call off London event to avoid clashes with far right | Black Lives Matter movement | The Guardian

These protesters tearing down statues across the UK of important cultural and national leaders, removing TV, books and movies they deem unacceptable and suppressing those who don’t agree with them even so far as getting people fired from their Jobs who are speaking out. Now with the division they caused look at the response they have invoked. They invoked this division in a time when it’s never been less prevalent

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Listen i know all you think the protests are is going out and shouting BLM and then going home and thats fine, thats innocent of you.

No, I’m perfectly aware that in the US the vastly overwhelming majority of the protests are peaceful and without incident.
A storied group of protests aren’t.

The thing is political movements don’t work like that, they protest and act to CHANGE things, and that change is evident in what is happening because of it attacking western culture turning people away from what it started in the first place.

Well, sometimes in democracy you have to deal with people that don’t agree with you.

How awful that must be!

Remember this exact same thing happened with the me too movement which protested against sexism, who ended up wanting the removal of movies, music and TV they deemed as sexist.

I don’t know about the UK, but I can pull up literally any media produced in the last 100 years or so within minutes - including everything produced by that awful Harvey Weinstein.

Maybe it’s different in the UK, but folks in the US crying out to the rafters like you are have simply swallowed the fear-bait of their tribal talking heads. They’ve swallowed it so deeply it’s strung them through. “Sheeple”.

Tell that to the protesters and activists tearing down western culture and advocating policies such as defunding the police which the majority don’t want. Also i’m glad to see you acknowledge BLM is advocating political change (Marxism) and not just a protest group with no objective like you claimed

As for your last part, i live in New Zealand, i have family in both the UK and Ireland and i’ve been following it globally. BLM and their recent anti cultural antics have in a matter of days turned entire populations against them, because while what happened in the US with George Floyd was obviously horrendous what these groups are doing in other nations has completely taken away the legitimacy of what they claimed to be fighting for. The media in the countries are no more focused on that, the attack on their local culture, think how this all looks for BLM, it’s now obvious what their overall agenda was which they made obvious for everyone to see, some people are still obviously in denial

 

[Hume]

These protesters tearing down statues across the UK of important cultural and national leaders

Is this a reference to the tearing down of a statue of slave-trader Edward Colston in Bristol?
Should have never gone up. But I agree that vandalism wasn’t the best way.

In my state in the US we’re petitioning for the systematic removal of all historical statues of anyone involved in supporting slavery or the Confederacy.

It’s going very well.

 

[Hume]

The media in the countries are no more focused on that, the attack on their local culture,

I would imagine that in some ex-colonies, the restoration of local culture that was destroyed by colonization might be part of the aim.

It’s not without some merit.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

These protesters tearing down statues across the UK of important cultural and national leaders

Is this a reference to the tearing down of a statue of slave-trader Edward Colston in Bristol?
Should have never gone up. But I agree that vandalism wasn’t the best way.

In my state in the US we’re petitioning for the systematic removal of all historical statues of anyone involved in supporting slavery or the Confederacy.

It’s going very well.

That is one among many attacked and vandalized, they even want to do the same in Ireland though i wouldn’t recommend that, the only thing people in the UK are talking about now is over the issue of cultural symbols being attacked and their tv shows pulled off the air by activists advocating change. Thats what this movement has become to people across the world

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

The media in the countries are no more focused on that, the attack on their local culture,

I would imagine that in some ex-colonies, the restoration of local culture that was destroyed by colonization might be part of the aim.

It’s not without some merit.

Your not so naive, stop pretending. This outrage is starting to spill onto the street by counter groups. Look at all this division they caused

 

[Hume]

That is one among many attacked and vandalized, they even want to do the same in Ireland though i wouldn’t recommend that, the only thing people in the UK are talking about now is over the issue of cultural symbols being attacked and their tv shows pulled off the air buy activists advocating change. Thats what this movement has become to people across the world

Then it’s obviously become a different thing to different people.

You can’t monolithically say anything about BLM worldwide. Again, it’s not an organization.

 

[Hume]

Your not so naive, stop pretending. This outrage is starting to spill onto the street by counter groups. Look at all this division they caused

“So shut up and enjoy the status quo”.

“No thanks” is certainly how I’d feel.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

That is one among many attacked and vandalized, they even want to do the same in Ireland though i wouldn’t recommend that, the only thing people in the UK are talking about now is over the issue of cultural symbols being attacked and their tv shows pulled off the air buy activists advocating change. Thats what this movement has become to people across the world

Then it’s obviously become a different thing to different people.

You can’t monolithically say anything about BLM worldwide. Again, it’s not an organization.

It has become what it set out to become. A movement that aims at bringing down the western capitalist patriarchal society, it’s as clear as day

 

[Hume]

It has become what it set out to become. A movement that aims at bringing down the western capitalist patriarchal society, it’s as clear as day

The generalization of fear…

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Your not so naive, stop pretending. This outrage is starting to spill onto the street by counter groups. Look at all this division they caused

“So shut up and enjoy the status quo”.

“No thanks” is certainly how I’d feel.

No-one is telling you to enjoy the status quo, just stop with the leftist nonsense and people could actually show that BLM truly matters by fixing the REAL issues that affect these communities