What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Sarcelle]

I have said time and time again on CAF I dont give a fig for political rhetoric, all it does is ‘other’ and lead to extremely creative apologetics for less then perfect party politics.

I cannot like this enough.

I also don’t give a flying fig on such labels as “left”, “right”, “conservative”, “liberal” and then assigning all sorts of sins and faults to the other side along with pre-formed assumptions on what the other side actually thinks.

This way we’re talking past each other.

Also, CAF, is a new international forum, with people from all over the world. We shouldn’t act like the US is the entire world. It isn’t.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I cannot like this enough.

I also don’t give a flying fig on such labels as “left”, “right”, “conservative”, “liberal” and then assigning all sorts of sins and faults to the other side along with pre-formed assumptions on what the other side actually thinks.

This way we’re talking past each other.

Also, CAF, is a new international forum, with people from all over the world. We shouldn’t act like the US is the entire world. It isn’t.

Thank you Sarcelle.

It truly is part of the cancel culture using these labels. It is also rampant on forums and limits and stops any discussion on the issue.
CAF is an international forum, we do well to listen to both national and international views.

 

[MarcoToussaint]

Please don’t take offence but reparations is not lunacy. My Father is a pan africanist he lives in Africa and is a millionaire of God’s grace I hope. If even the Church itself acknowledges that as an institution it MAY descriminated for example in my parish its most lay people are black although mass is mixed and I would like to think everybody wishes well for each other you should be mature enough to understand institutionalised racism. If this was not the case 400 million Africans’what I was taught through scholars(books) by my father would not have perished in slavery. Jesus came to set the downtrodden free to proclaim liberty to the captives oh I I see you your OK with 50 percent of Angola having no arms or legs because eoropean capitalist Greed then they can read a lil Bible have a saint name good ol etienne just as poor as the original… But when Jesus starts working and Africa’s GDP starts rising and people stop fighting and massacring each other and there’s prosperity all of a sudden you fail to recognizes that as strong as we may look we bleed we cry we hurt when we are abused… Judgement say is for everyone including the KKK racist judges policemen cia agents marines and perhaps its just a starter before the main course… Whoever hates his brother is a murderer and no murderer has eternal life in him… So there may be some judges in hell some klansmen in hell some masons in hell some marines in hell I’m Catholic and I love my enemy I daily pray for the KKK to repent and I love them. No buts. However racism exists and Europeans up to this day benefit from slavery. Benefit from the rape of colonialism benefit from Satan himself. Maybe I’m that one prophet who is. Not afraid to tell it how it is and I pray your well and ill keep u in my prayers. God bless! BTW I’ve been shot in my life and I have no criminal record I was shot by own father for believing in God and becoming Catholic with a machine gun and I didn’t even go to the hospital and glory be to Mary I’m still here with a family.

 

[Paddy1989]

Please don’t take offence but reparations is not lunacy. My Father is a pan africanist he lives in Africa and is a millionaire of God’s grace I hope. If even the Church itself acknowledges that as an institution it MAY descriminated for example in my parish its most lay people are black although mass is mixed and I would like to think everybody wishes well for each other you should be mature enough to understand institutionalised racism. If this was not the case 400 million Africans’what I was taught through scholars(books) by my father would not have perished in slavery. Jesus came to set the downtrodden free to proclaim liberty to the captives oh I I see you your OK with 50 percent of Angola having no arms or legs because eoropean capitalist Greed then they can read a lil Bible have a saint name good ol etienne just as poor as the original…

Reparations are crazy when the reality is looking at history we ALL done wrong. the question is how far back in history should we go? Those that seek reparations only go as far back as to what suits them. Second Barbary pirates took more European slaves including many Irish than what existed in the US slave trade so why are only African slaves important?

Let me tell you how foolish it would be to ask for reparations. We Irish suffered at the hands of the British just as bad if not WORSE than people of Africa because we lost the MAJORITY of our population due to Oppression, starvation and war, should we ask for reparations? Of course not because looking back centuries before that you will find it was we Irish who used to take the English and other British peoples as slaves so then who was in the wrong there?

The answer isn’t reparations but reconciliation because no-one is without sin, this is a lesson we learned after the war in the North between Nationalists and Unionists and it saved us, it was a beautiful Christian message that broke through the ego of communities gripped by war. EVERY family suffered but both sides wanted to win, in the end we all broke and just wanted it to be over and forgive each other and forge new beginnings.

**We are all a product of our historical circumstances, we should learn from it as we learn from all suffering because do you know what, sometimes suffering can be a gift. If we Irish didn’t suffer would we have scatted across the world then forming some of the largest missionaries and involving ourselves in the fight of for freedom across the Americas North and South. Would we have helped built these new civilizations. The same about African slaves, through their suffering they helped mold and create a rich, diverse and prosperous nation in which through their suffering they broke though a nation of cold heartiness and bitterness teaching it to love all peoples regardless of race or ethnicity and that TRULY all men are created in the image of God. The fact is the US is richer for their sacrifice, it wouldn’t be the nation it is today without them, in fact the suffering of African Americans taught the entire world about racial injustice, they saved many more than they could ever realize

 

[Erikaspirit16]

Paddy 1989–It must be a cold day in Hell. We agree.

 

[MarcoToussaint]

I don’t mean to knock ur spirit uve made some beautiful points eg I could also say slavery converted many Africans to catholics thus forming a strong Christianity throughout the continent… But saying Irish which I’ve heard before… From my mother… U know Africa’s current pop is 1 billion and I haven’t done the research I’m guessing it was somewhat similar ireland is precisely that an island for example Madagascar… Another colony it is really an insult to say the Irish had it worse off than Africans… Its an entire continent… An entire race of people I’m sure there are Irish people who count their blessings their not ‘niggers’ systematic holocaust up to this day where we have black prostitutes that will only sleep with non black not even white only but non black because of the mental psychological homicide that was inflicted on Africa from Europe and Islamic invaders… U know from activist assassinations to puppet governments this is ethnic cleansing! Genocide after genocide after genocide weather its Rwanda 1994 Apartheid u say the Irish had it worse off! With all due respect go to Africa I was living in uganda for 9 years yes there’s prosperity which has been fought for… But I respect the Irish holocaust but you need to respect mine… If you can’t see an African who says he’s oppressed in 2020 as your brother you’ve failed at your vocation… In my country babies are bathed in sewage it doesn’t make the news… Does that happen in Ireland? I’d love to know that’s a genuine question? Did famous psychologists put Irish men in cages and say look his brain is smaller only for that man to kill himself the next day in fact this racist science towards Africans was so prevalent it has a name Eugenics… Millions of Africans in Brazil largest African pop outside Africa more than North America how many Irish are in Brazil? Living in shacks getting murdered by the federalas? If your Irish and war breaks out in my country the Irish embassy will fly you home where do my people fly 2…the majority of people in my country don’t have food the Germans murdered something like 40 million people in a year when they were colonising people isn’t that like the whole of Ireland?

 

[MarcoToussaint]

I was trying to upload an image of a Congolese man looking at his murdered babies hands but it’s saying I cannot upload because I’m new… If you search ‘Congolese man looking at hand’ ull see it for rubber I’m not saying we haven’t risen but God loves Africans as well…

 

[MarcoToussaint]

Congo has the richest piece of real estate on Earth it has diamond and cobalt as well as gold and other things they send children in mines Vodafone and 3 today never mind about the coal mines 2day while an Irish person buys a flat screen tv and flies to mallorca or wherever these children die in mines currently

 

[Paddy1989]

I don’t mean to knock ur spirit uve made some beautiful points eg I could also say slavery converted many Africans to catholics thus forming a strong Christianity throughout the continent… But saying Irish which I’ve heard before… From my mother… U know Africa’s current pop is 1 billion and I haven’t done the research I’m guessing it was somewhat similar ireland is precisely that an island for example Madagascar… Another colony it is really an insult to say the Irish had it worse off than Africans… Its an entire continent… An entire race of people I’m sure there are Irish people who count their blessings their not ‘niggers’ systematic holocaust up to this day where we have black prostitutes that will only sleep with non black not even white only but non black because of the mental psychological homicide that was inflicted on Africa from Europe and Islamic invaders… U know from activist assassinations to puppet governments this is ethnic cleansing! Genocide after genocide after genocide weather its Rwanda 1994 Apartheid u say the Irish had it worse off! With all due respect go to Africa I was living in uganda for 9 years yes there’s prosperity which has been fought for… But I respect the Irish holocaust but you need to respect mine… If you can’t see an African who says he’s oppressed in 2020 as your brother you’ve failed at your vocation… In my country babies are bathed in sewage it doesn’t make the news… Does that happen in Ireland? I’d love to know that’s a genuine question? Did famous psychologists put Irish men in cages and say look his brain is smaller only for that man to kill himself the next day in fact this racist science towards Africans was so prevalent it has a name Eugenics… Millions of Africans in Brazil largest African pop outside Africa more than North America how many Irish are in Brazil? Living in shacks getting murdered by the federalas? If your Irish and war breaks out in my country the Irish embassy will fly you home where do my people fly 2…the majority of people in my country don’t have food the Germans murdered something like 40 million people in a year when they were colonising people isn’t that like the whole of Ireland?

When i say had it worse i mean per capita. Also i’m not trying to compare or get into a competition which nation had it hardest, i’m making a point about reparations, that in light of all the evils WE have ALL done to each other throughout history it makes no sense, Reparations are for usually promoted by people who don’t recognize their own sins.

There are also peoples like the Native American Indians and indigenous people of Australia for example who are barely even to voice their past because there is so few of them today so I’m not denying the disgraceful and savagery treatment of African people aswell as others which unfortunately exists today, i’m saying we can’t go looking reparations for the past otherwise we would all be bankrupt.

 

[Paddy1989]

Congo has the richest piece of real estate on Earth it has diamond and cobalt as well as gold and other things they send children in mines Vodafone and 3 today never mind about the coal mines 2day while an Irish person buys a flat screen tv and flies to mallorca or wherever these children die in mines currently

You make a fair point here and i agree with it, Africa has the most amount of resources yet is kept impoverished due to western interference to exploit it’s resources. The thing is most of those companies involved in all this claim to be for BLM which only proves their Hippocricy, companies like Amazon known for it’s human rights abuses. Thats my point, BLM and these big media corporations that support them including celebrities don’t care about black lives really otherwise they would want to solve the problems in these communities and the world at large that affects them.

As for the conditions of those children in the mines and the horrible labor conditions imposed by companies taking these resources, we are ALL complicit in this, all of us, it is all of our sin.

My point of this thread was to show these groups are less about helping black lives and more about pursuing a Marxist agenda and that perhaps if they truly cared about Black lives and everyone else who are disadvantaged they would address the REAL issues

 

[Paddy1989]

I was trying to upload an image of a Congolese man looking at his murdered babies hands but it’s saying I cannot upload because I’m new… If you search ‘Congolese man looking at hand’ ull see it for rubber I’m not saying we haven’t risen but God loves Africans as well…

No-one disputes that, of course God loves Africans as he does all people which he created, it is mainly Africans today actually who are saving the Catholic faith while the west rejects it

 

[MarcoToussaint]

God Bless you! Peace of Christ Mary and Joseph be with you.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

People are seeing the truth in the movement and responding with compassion.

That is highly doubtful to the point of being ludicrous. Do you honestly believe the people parading around as supporters of Black Lives Matter have any idea of the following:

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

I don’t doubt most of the proletariat affirming their endorsement of the movement are well intended (if not ignorant), but I suspect if you told most Catholics who are on board that "hey, you do realize they are queer-affirming and seek to disrupt the traditional nuclear family (something the Church directly addresses in opposition).

I suspect my clergy, even the most liberal ones, would have a hard time justifying any association with these values without admitting they feel the Church is wrong on those issues (thus rendering them wrong, in fact).

 

[StudentMI]

I suspect my clergy, even the most liberal ones, would have a hard time justifying any association with these values without admitting they feel the Church is wrong on those issues (thus rendering them wrong, in fact).

Eh I’ve known a few priests like that.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Eh I’ve known a few priests like that.

We all have. They were wrong, just like the lay people were wrong. It is pretty simple. Read what the catechism says. If you disagree, your wrong. Accept it and wrestle with it, or accept it and allow it to makes sense, but accept it you must.

 

[MarcoToussaint]

Also Scripture does tell us to be on our guard against those who cause division…

 

[LeafByNiggle]

That is highly doubtful to the point of being ludicrous. Do you honestly believe the people parading around as supporters of Black Lives Matter have any idea of the following:

How many times do I have to say it? These are not the values of the movement. These are the values of the guy who wrote that webpage, which does not own the movement. The movement came first. That specific organization that owns the website just owns a website. They have no authority over the millions of people that stand alongside blacks protesting the death of George Floyd. It is the biggest sign of unity I’ve seen recently in our divided world. Nobody cares about the stated goals of an organization that is not in control.

 

[Paddy1989]

Dr_Meinheimer:

That is highly doubtful to the point of being ludicrous. Do you honestly believe the people parading around as supporters of Black Lives Matter have any idea of the following:

How many times do I have to say it? These are not the values of the movement. These are the values of the guy who wrote that webpage, which does not own the movement. The movement came first. That specific organization that owns the website just owns a website. They have no authority over the millions of people that stand alongside blacks protesting the death of George Floyd. It is the biggest sign of unity I’ve seen recently in our divided world. Nobody cares about the stated goals of an organization that is not in control.

Actually that is not true, that website is the OFFICIAL website of BLM. It’s three founding members also Marxists and LBGTQI+ activists. BLM has now went beyond police brutality, didn’t we tell you it would? It’s now gone onto attacking and censoring a culture they deem inappropriate and in which they dictate to. You only have to look what it has become in the likes of the UK. BLM does have a loose structure and decentralized chapters however '‘Local Black Lives Matter chapters are asked to commit to the organization’s list of guiding principles, but operate without a central structure or hierarchy’'

Can’t you see it’s gone beyond US events of police brutality, they are invoking a culture war on what it views as a oppressive western patriarchy. Surely you see this all now?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Dr_Meinheimer:

That is highly doubtful to the point of being ludicrous. Do you honestly believe the people parading around as supporters of Black Lives Matter have any idea of the following:

How many times do I have to say it? These are not the values of the movement. These are the values of the guy who wrote that webpage, which does not own the movement. The movement came first. That specific organization that owns the website just owns a website. They have no authority over the millions of people that stand alongside blacks protesting the death of George Floyd. It is the biggest sign of unity I’ve seen recently in our divided world. Nobody cares about the stated goals of an organization that is not in control.

Actually that is not true, that website is the OFFICIAL website of BLM.

It may be the official website of that organization, but it does not have authority over the whole movement, which started in 2013 without any help from Marxists or LBGTQ activists. That organization with the website has no authority whatsoever.

I do not recommend sending any donations to that national group. Donate to local groups based on what good work they do and what values they espouse, if you want to donate to the cause.

’‘Local Black Lives Matter chapters are asked to commit to the organization’s list of guiding principles, but operate without a central structure or hierarchy’'

Asked? What about local groups unaffiliated with that group?

 

[Paddy1989]

Great Talk by Psychologist Jordan Peterson