What Black Lives Matter Believe

[mcq72]

With the endless widening gap & disparity between the wealthy & poor, it is little wonder people turn to the principals of democracy, being majority over the minority

Well it really depends on how you use your majority role. Do you seek to get wealthier by doing what the rich do, investing and taking chances? Or do you get wealthy by taking from the rich and just giving to the have nots? How has that worked out in Marxists countries, even socialist countries.

I will agree on the widening gap. I will also say socialism is on the increase, and a growing segment of the " haves" are those working in government. Politicians on both sides have many benefits than private sector. To be in " the Party" is quite an elitist group. The 5 highest per capita income counties in the country just happen to be surrounding our nations capital of Washington. Was that a lot like Moscow under the Marxist USSR? They took over by force, while we do it a little left lean at a time.

The more we demand what government (or the rich) can do for me/us, the bigger the ruling Party gets at expense of private sector. Long gone are the youthful adherents of the last worthwile Democratic president who rallied us with these words:

“Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country”.

 

[mcq72]

Donate to local groups based on what good work they do and what values they espouse

So are there many independent groups? Does each group have a list of core values and demands? If people support one group does anyone else see it may not support other groups?

As far as good works are concerned, many organizations that may be undemocratic or even unlawful put up a good front with good social works. The Black Panthers as an organization fed a lot of kids before school in their day.

 

[EssentialBeing]

How has that worked out in Marxists countries, even socialist countries.

France, Germany, Spain, Canada etc have all done very well with their socialist agendas & I do agree that democratic nations slip to the LEFT & to the RIGHT from time to time.

Do you seek to get wealthier by doing what the rich do, investing and taking chances? Or do you get wealthy by taking from the rich and just giving to the have nots

Wealth & richness does not have to be a measure against MONEY. It is only a resource to help us fulfill the wasteful nature of society. EXCESS is not a very good measure of somebody’s wealth.

Well it really depends on how you use your majority role.

Yes I can see your point & this would only be useful if government truly & wholly applied the basic principals of democracy, that is to do what the majority of voters wish. Not what the majority of politicians wish.

Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country

True, however this only works properly when the voting majority can shape the elected leaders to truly reflect the sentiment of the majority.

Moscow under the Marxist USSR? They took over by force

Communism as the EXTREME form of Marxism is terrible, & just as destructive is Capitalism as the EXTREME form of Smithism is just as terrible.

The forces between left & right are always seeking to outdo each other, however society, especially in democracy, always seem to land in the middle. Sometimes slightly left leaning or slightly right leaning, it is the balance between the two that really makes a difference.

 

[mcq72]

Wealth & richness does not have to be a measure against MONEY.

Then how do you measure the " gap…between the wealthy and the poor" if not money or what it buys?

France, Germany, Spain, Canada etc have all done very well with their socialist agendas &

Not sure about “very well”. For sure Spain had a boom in " capitalism", from which to launch more socialism. They are all beginning to pay (or not pay but borrow) for the costs. What about Greece, and Ireland and Venezuela?. One can also ask would they being doing better with more socialist spending restraints.

I am all for good good social programs, but not if you have to borrow heavily to fund them. It is a sin to spend money you don’t have generally speaking, especially for political expediency.

 

[mcq72]

do agree that democratic nations slip to the LEFT & to the RIGHT from time to time.

More than that, the median is shifting left. That was my point. Yesterdays Democrat would now be a Republican (as in John Kennedy). Todays moderate democrat was yesterdays liberal Democrat . The government sector continues to grow at expense of private sector. Even fifty years ago my teacher said communists countries are leaning more into capitalism and democracies towards socialism.

When social security (temporary measure for worst cases) started you had 14 workers supporting one beneficiary. Your paystub would show pennies on the dollar deduction, like fart in a windstorm compared to federal taxes etc., and later even state taxes. Now we are around 2 workers supporting one beneficiary, and payroll deduction right around the federal tax. Families now need two income earners to what was once one earner during our boom.

It happens ever so slowly, coinciding with decline in our our institutions of family and church, or overall moral decline ( we are post Christian).

Pendelum yes, but the middle ever shifting left.

 

[EssentialBeing]

Then how do you measure the " gap…between the wealthy and the poor" if not money or what it buys?

If we only use money as the measure, then yes I would agree that somebody’s material wealth can be measured against another. My suggestion was with wealth & richness being more of a MORAL issue rather than a material issue. It would seem that, happiness, freedom, goodwill are far too often obscured by money. Maybe as a society we do much better to express wealth in life experience, richness in the heart, that in truth is morally superior to any material gain. Money itself is not the problem, it is only the perception that it frees us & helps make life easier, that is. To me this is an illusion, as far too many feel trapped or enslaved by it.

An example:
I feel sick & can not attend work tomorrow, but if I don’t, I cant eat. I have to attend to an important family issue, but if I miss work I cant pay for my shelter.

Money does not buy happiness, nor freedom, nor good will. In fact many people with excessive material wealth still commit suicide, many millionaires are not happy with their lives. For the vast majority of people we forget & or obscure our spiritual nature, far to many don’t have time to think about their morality. All because too much time & effort is spent in the pursuit of money.

I don’t propose to have any answers to the problem, but certainly can see that the obsession with money, robs us of the inclination to truly learn about ourselves & the light that shines within.

 

[EssentialBeing]

One can also ask would they being doing better with more socialist spending restraints. I am all for good good social programs, but not if you have to borrow heavily to fund them.

I totally agree here, but it would also raise the question of the alternative, as too much of anything is hardly ever good. (too far left or too far right)

the median is shifting left, the government sector continues to grow at expense of private sector. Communists countries are leaning more into capitalism and democracies towards socialism

Yes, this is evident & seems to be exactly what has been happening for many decades. In a Democracy the role of any central government was to provide a balance between the 2 main forces at play, being, private & public. It was meant to spread any private material wealth much further than the private force would ever contemplate. This has become obscured over time & now democracies seem to be rising to truly act with the sentiment of the majority.

The duplicity in the system is so obscured, it frequently imbalances the 2 forces. Many people do not recognize that the private workplace is totalitarian & therefore communistic by nature. Where outside of the private workplace we feel much freer & therefore democratic by nature.

It could very well mean that capitalism thrives much better under communism as the concept of private & public seem to align much easier. I know that communism in its current form is terrible, but would also say that capitalism in its purist form is also terrible.

Democracy was suppose to provide a balance between right & left, private & public, majority & minority. It is suspiciously revealing itself to be destroying the private nature of liberalism, capitalism & the sentiment of the minority.

Could it be that;
Western nations apply Democratic dictatorship
Eastern nations apply Communistic democracy

 

[EssentialBeing]

Now we are around 2 workers supporting one beneficiary, and payroll deduction right around the federal tax. Families now need two income earners to what was once one earner during our boom. It happens ever so slowly, coinciding with decline in our our institutions of family and church, or overall moral decline (we are post Christian).

Pendelum yes, but the middle ever shifting left.

So true that capitalism use to be much fairer & well balanced, but that was decades ago. The trend towards materialism is blinding & trapping all people into a life of servitude to money & material wealth.

I personally think that Democracy is a tool to force the implementation of capitalism & all aspects of its private liberal nature. The image of material wealth sends a very strong message that it is obtainable by ALL who try hard enough. Just like competition pretends that the number one spot can be reached by anyone. It is simply not true, it is only for the very few, there is no such thing as the best 5 players sitting at number 1. The position of ultimate power can not be shared, making it obtainable only by the extreme few.

The decline of moral value is attributed to the pursuit of money, instead of seeking the shining light within us all, we seek material possession. The motto of the top earner is “there is no moral when it comes to money” I quote a banking executive who said “the acquisition of profit is not illegal, even though immoral, when it comes to excess.”

The left swinging nature of the latest decades seems to be evidence that democracy & liberalism are out of balance. I understand that to equalize everything & everyone takes away from the beautiful individual nature of the human species, it destroys religious values, it destroys family values, it destroys individualism.

I suspect it is merely a process that we must all go through to eventually find fairer & saner ways to come together as one true human species.

 

[Lea101]

There was no hate in the UK, Ireland, Australia, even here in New Zealand before all this, i can tell you there is now.

The fact that one would think this shows blissful ignorance. All of this didn’t magically come up. It was the result of pressures and tensions building up.

Part of it is from COVID and its effects on society, but other part of it is from the anger minority groups have felt. The racism they have experienced but were gaslighted whenever they brought it up. Eventually it reaches its boiling point.

I know people here get triggered over the word ‘privilege’, but one truly has privilege if they sincerely believed racism/hate was almost non existent before these events. Because they were lucky enough to not experience it in their daily lives.

 

[mcq72]

In a Democracy the role of any central government was to provide a balance between the 2 main forces at play, being, private & public.

Well, seems like the fox guarding the hen house, the idea that government balances its force (public) with private. Just as capitalism thrives on growth, so does the government/ public sector. The only balancer between the two is available funding being limited by finite healthy limit of taxation, which is now being overidden by unhealthy “borrowing”.

No, the government/ public sector is a beast of it’s own, seeking whom it may devour, forever nibbling at private sector territory, forever feeding, with good storefront manners, self deludedly asking, “How can I help you ?”.

 

[mcq72]

Many people do not recognize that the private workplace is totalitarian & therefore communistic by nature. Where outside of the private workplace we feel much freer & therefore democratic by nature.

I disagree here a bit. I have worked in both public and private sectors. As far as management and nature feelings…the same. I was a beast of burden, with a boss to please for a paycheck (the public job paying more) in both sectors.

By the way, not sure how a private company is at same time a government (communist) company. Both do have governmet regulations but of course the government job many more obviously.

 

[EssentialBeing]

By the way, not sure how a private company is at same time a government (communist) company. Both do have governmet regulations but of course the government job many more obviously.

A private company is not government, they operate under the laws placed on them by government, which is far too often influenced or heavily leaning towards the profiteering needs of private enterprise.

The workplace operates in a totalitarian or authoritarian manner, in which internal policies are not debatable, they are not voted upon, they are not negotiable. All this happens at the executive level, where very few decide for the interest of all staff. For ordinary staff this can be an extremely discriminatory environment, where we must obey the internal policy of enterprise or else.

Of course all policy formulated in boardrooms must comply with law, unfortunately this does not always happen & governments simply lack the will or resources to police them properly.

Maybe better said that all workplaces are authoritarian with government jobs being slightly fairer.

I have worked in both public and private sectors. As far as management and nature feelings…the same. I was a beast of burden, with a boss to please for a paycheck (the public job paying more) in both sectors.

I have a similar experience to you with the added perspective of also operating my own business as a contractor. In all three instances I found the same, the boss is the judge, the jury & the executioner

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

There was no hate in the UK, Ireland, Australia, even here in New Zealand before all this, i can tell you there is now.

The fact that one would think this shows blissful ignorance. All of this didn’t magically come up. It was the result of pressures and tensions building up.

Part of it is from COVID and its effects on society, but other part of it is from the anger minority groups have felt. The racism they have experienced but were gaslighted whenever they brought it up. Eventually it reaches its boiling point.

I know people here get triggered over the word ‘privilege’, but one truly has privilege if they sincerely believed racism/hate was almost non existent before these events. Because they were lucky enough to not experience it in their daily lives.

Absolute rubbish and only seeks to justify this anarchy. Remember the UK riots a few years ago that fizzled out once the protesters and gangs had done enough looting, there was individuals lie yourself claiming that it was an uprising against oppression. The only to those who justify this expose is not their love for minorities but their hatred of the establishment. Similar to how Socialists in the past hid behind a a justification of love for the poor when in reality they just hated the rich. We have been here many times over the years. Cultural Marxists using a a just slogan for a deeper agenda that has little to do with the slogan they hide behind.

Racism isn’t the problem today, it’s never been less of a problem in the west, it’s a rejection of God and it’s consequences such as the breakdown of the family in pursuit of a hedonistic prideful world. Instead we have the result of those prideful individuals who rather than take responsibility for the issues in the west they blame it on everyone else (the white man, the white 100 years ago, the white man 1000 years ago). It’s nothing more that self induced paranoia to justify their inability to take responsibility for the problems we have created.

We are potentially entering into a cultural war that usually takes place prior to a civilizations collapse, where self hating lunatics want everyone else to feel bad and pay the price these in trying to create a Utopia where the lunatics run the asylum. Thankfully BLM and those other far left groups are now seen for what they really are, there is little room for continued ignorance of this

 

[c4csp]

What BLM stands for was obvious the day they started. One must wonder about those priests kneeling in support with their BLM signs. I think it is impossible to defend them or offer any reasonable explanation.

 

[Paddy1989]

What BLM stands for was obvious the day they started. One must wonder about those priests kneeling in support with their BLM signs. I think it is impossible to defend them or offer any reasonable explanation.

I think it’s similar to the very small number of Priests who would have stood with Nazism and Communism in the past, perhaps their intentions are good and they are just ignorant to what is truly happening. I doubt very few if any would support their agenda at large if they knew about it. Remember Marxist groups like many extremists are cunning, they very rarely reveal their true intentions until they gain the support and members needed to carry it out. They usually in the beginning hide behind just intentions

 

[c4csp]

I think it’s similar to the very small number of Priests who would have stood with Nazism and Communism in the past, perhaps their intentions are good and they are just ignorant to what is truly happening. I doubt very few if any would support their agenda at large if they knew about it. Remember Marxist groups like many extremists are cunning, they very rarely reveal their true intentions until they gain the support and members needed to carry it out. They usually in the beginning hide behind just intentions

Well they could have visited their website. It is plastered in bold letters what they believe with a list of things all contrary to Catholic faith. It may have been a good idea to take the 1 minute to visit the website before making a sign and taking a knee in support. I mean these are men ordained as priests in Christ’s holy church for goodness sake.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

I think it’s similar to the very small number of Priests who would have stood with Nazism and Communism in the past, perhaps their intentions are good and they are just ignorant to what is truly happening. I doubt very few if any would support their agenda at large if they knew about it. Remember Marxist groups like many extremists are cunning, they very rarely reveal their true intentions until they gain the support and members needed to carry it out. They usually in the beginning hide behind just intentions

Well they could have visited their website. It is plastered in bold letters what they believe with a list of things all contrary to Catholic faith. It may have been a good idea to take the 1 minute to visit the website before making a sign and taking a knee in support. I mean these are men ordained as priests in Christ’s holy church for goodness sake.

True but again i think some are more worried about trying to right the wrongs of the Church’s past by appearing relevant to current social issues than they care about what is going on behind it, it’s unfortunate

 

[c4csp]

True but again i think some are more worried about trying to right the wrongs of the Church’s past by appearing relevant to current social issues than they care about what is going on behind it, it’s unfortunate

It is extremely unfortunate.

 

[Paddy1989]

 

[1cthlctrth]

https://www.lifezette.com/2020/06/w...s-a-trained-marxist/?utm_source=home-trending

This is literally the perfect recipe for the Left to push their communist agenda into mainstream America, under the banner of “Black Lives Matter”.