What Black Lives Matter Believe

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The facts in the article are easily verifiable. And they are correct. Heather MacDonald is a scientist who did extensive research. The only attacks on her have been on her character which is the goto strategy for Marxists when they lack the proper argument.
 
Facts form opinion yes but the facts are the facts. And the fact that there is no epidemic of police killings of black people is not a matter of opinion it is, to close the circle, a fact.
 
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Facts form opinion yes but the facts are the facts. And the fact that there is no epidemic of police killings of black people is not a matter of opinion it is, to close the circle, a fact.
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I wouldn’t use the word “epidemic”. I fact I didn’t use it. So why are you using it if you are supposedly trying to refute my claim, which I repeat, is the there is systemic racism.
 
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Steeevyo:
The facts in the article are easily verifiable.
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But the conclusions reached are an opinion. The WSJ labels it as such.
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Conclusions on both sides are an opinion based upon our interpretation of FACTS. The assumption that the death of George Floyed was racially motivated is an opinion, one that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense when the other police officers involved and charged weren’t even white. People have been duped by BLM into believing the narrative which is their opinion.

The narrative was created with the same goals and aims as all those who use identity politics, to divide society into group identity and to pull up ANY stat showing a disproportion in numbers and interpreting this disproportion as a result of inequality and injustice so they can then justify their Marxist goals of bringing down western society and it’s cultural identity, this is basic stuff here.

Do you know what is really ridiculous, when you had democrat politicians talk about how they support BLM and even the violence yet can’t even remember George Floyd’s name, do you not see that you are all being duped for the up and coming election? Your pawns for politicians who aim to intensify tribalism and division under the Trump administration so as to set themselves up as the saviors. Again this is basic stuff. We have politicians feeding the anarchy movement to create more instability just to make the current administration look bad for their own sake, think how dangerous that is, has there ever been a time where politicians have shown so much contempt for the American people that they are willing to support the tribalism and chaos as long as it advances their career and popularity. Politicians rather than standing for what is right, they are now standing for what is popular no matter how much damage it will do, look at Seattle as an example
 
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Paddy1989 said:
Conclusions on both sides are an opinion based upon our interpretation of FACTS. The assumption that the death of George Floyed was racially motivated is an opinion, one that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense when the other police officers involved and charged weren’t even white.
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Dan123 already gave you a perfect answer to this.
People have been duped by BLM…
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The Black Lives Matter is those people, and is not dictated by any organization.
The narrative was created with the same goals and aims as all those who use identity politics, to divide society into group identity…
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On the contrary, this movement has brought people from different races together. Did you see the diversity of people protesting? Did you see the good law enforcement officers and leaders embrace the movement? It was inspiring.
and to pull up ANY stat showing a disproportion in numbers and interpreting this disproportion as a result of inequality and injustice…
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Because it is true.
Do you know what is really ridiculous, when you had democrat politicians talk about how they support BLM and even the violence…
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Nope. Never happened. Fake news. No democrat politician ever supported rioters and looters.
yet can’t even remember George Floyd’s name…
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more groundless speculation on your part.
do you not see that you are all being duped for the up and coming election?
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Yes, but the duping is coming from the extreme right wing.
 
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one that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense when the other police officers involved and charged weren’t even white.
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Systemic racism doesn’t just include the people it’s the systems, policies, training, and practices.
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Again there has been no proof of this but plenty of evidence of the contrary. There has never been a time when this has been less of an issue. I believe the social issues caused by radical secularism beginning in the 50s and then 60s has created issues we now find so intolerable (crime,poverty, indifference, hatred) such as the removal of God and the destruction of the family and rather than admit to this leading to all of society’s problems we instead create a scapegoat (white patriarchal society).

There is two problems with this, first it is wrong and second because it is wrong we will never be able to fix these problems if we can’t even address them in the first place because it might offend the LBGTQI+ community such as Fathers being essential. Remember when we used to hear years ago from the older generation and from our clergy all these ideologies will have drastic consequences, well while we all lived our lives as normal the damage was being done underneath and i believe all this self resentment that exists in the west is the now the result of the damage we have created, that has caused people to actually despise what western society has become and jump on radical ideologies that claims it will somehow fix these issues. Man rejected God and made himself the solution to his problems, it’s not working, no man made ideology will fix these issues
 
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Dan123 already gave you a perfect answer to this.
People have been duped by BLM…
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The Black Lives Matter is those people, and is not dictated by any organization.
The narrative was created with the same goals and aims as all those who use identity politics, to divide society into group identity…
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On the contrary, this movement has brought people from different races together. Did you see the diversity of people protesting? Did you see the good law enforcement officers and leaders embrace the movement? It was inspiring.
and to pull up ANY stat showing a disproportion in numbers and interpreting this disproportion as a result of inequality and injustice…
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Because it is true.
Do you know what is really ridiculous, when you had democrat politicians talk about how they support BLM and even the violence…
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Nope. Never happened. Fake news. No democrat politician ever supported rioters and looters.
yet can’t even remember George Floyd’s name…
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more groundless speculation on your part.

Again i reiterated systemic racism doesn’t exist and it’s been rubbished many times. BLM has specific goals by which the organization has spearheaded, deny it all you want, everyone now see’s it for what it is. I don’t see it bringing anyone together, they have created tribalism and swelled the numbers of far right groups in Europe, i know all it has done is created a witch hunt in a deeply oppressive cancel culture where even religious people are persecuted. Communism brought certain people together, at the expense of the destruction of others.

These stats are true absolutely but the point with the stats you don’t like is you claim the interpretation of them to be an opinion??? Yours is also an opinion, you just reject other peoples opinions that don’t suit your own narrative. Think about it, one could use stats to claim based on FACTS that black people are actively out to kill white people in which if one looked at interracial homicides stats they could interpret it this way, this is as naive as those who use the BLM narrative because stats out of context don’t give the full picture. You would have to look at other stats that could make sense of this. The fact is homicide is extremely high among the black community which then could explain how this spills into interracial homicide. The racist narrative is nothing short of naive.

As for it being fake news, again stop calling what you don’t like fake news. Armed protesters took over a portion of Seattle in which became a hotspot for violent crime forcing embarrassment on the Mayor to tear it down who at first supported it, here is proof Redirecting...

More groundless speculation they couldn’t remember his name?


Why are you just ignoring and refusing to believe anyone else with an different perspective, you just call it fake new, speculation, wrong etc. You are refusing to look at the evidence?
 
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the only assessment I can make of BLM is what the organization puts on their website under the “About” tab.

Either you believe what it says or you don’t. It’s their statement, not mine, and if that is what the organization is about, I’ll take their word for it. And I’ll make the statement that I’m in opposition to most if not all of what they espouse.

I’m not open to someone else’s interpretations or “causes” about what they think BLM is. Their “who we are” or “what we believe” statement stands on its own.
 
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Paddy1989 said:
The Black Lives Matter is those people, and is not dictated by any organization.
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That makes it fairly meaningless, since there is no agreement on objectives.
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On the contrary, this movement has brought people from different races together.
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No it hasn’t, they were never ‘apart’ before BLM. I admit the marches provided an excuse to march together, just like the marches targeting the fictitious “war on women”.
 
I’m sure a leftist institution would think this. It’s a Conservative publication, it makes no suggestion otherwise. It talks about things the leftist mainstream media cartel won’t talk about… CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NYT, WaPo, TIME, etc… all use extreme leftist language all the time. Politifact uses these leftist sources for their checks.

In shorter words, a person who is 7ft tall will think someone who is 6 ft is short, but it doesn’t mean the 6 ft tall person is short. Radical leftist media will think the Dailywire is extreme Conservative from their perspective, it doesn’t mean it objectively is.
 
BLM “What We Believe”

I was curious, so I went to the site to see what it is the group actually states, etc.

I stopped counting on points of Christian disagreement fairly well before getting to the end.

This is not, IMO, a racial rights group, but a political movement. I didn’t know that until reading an article by a Catholic author from Crisis Magazine online…
Scary TBH. I certainly would not want them in my area doing their protest thing. I fear I’d feel obliged to go protest right back at them, holding a “Traditional Values Matter” type of sign…
 
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You are correct, they are a political movement, a Marxist group in fact. The people who founded BLM are Marist trained and are bent on an overthrow of everything good patriotic Americans believe in. The destruction of the normal family unit is one of their highest priorities.
 
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I’ve read it. I’m fine with most of it. None of it is that objectionable. I have some disagreements with the means of obtaining black liberation, but I am still working on all of my political ideas, so get back with me on that in a few decades. If ever.

Also keeping in mind that the slogan and the organization are different.
 
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The destruction of the normal family unit is one of their highest priorities
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Saw that, and can’t understand why they’d wanna overthrow the family unit.
 
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Lea101 said:
Aren’t there like 2 threads about this specifically, already?
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could be. It did not occur to me to search the phrase before posting. Apologies if I’m redoing something?
 
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