What Black Lives Matter Believe

[HarryStotle]

The Western-prescribed nuclear family is individualistic and isolated. Post-partum depression runs rampant in the West, and stay-at-home parents live in bubbles punctuated by the occasional playgroup gathering. In other cultures, a nuclear family is part of a strong and supportive community, where everybody has each other’s backs.

Right. Where “EVERYBODY HAS EACH OTHER’S BACKS.”

Unfortunately, a Catholic school in Bakersfield CA recently fired a high school theology teacher for raising questions about BLM. This, just months after the school community expressed its enduring solidarity with the family of that same teacher whose daughter (one of six children in the family) had just undergone extensive brain surgery.

Apparently, even in this Catholic culture where the nuclear family is lauded as one of the central pillars of the Church, the supposed “strong and supportive community” within Catholicism is not unaffected by BLM propaganda, and is quite willing to dispose of good Catholic families at the instigation of the liberal left and BLM proponents.

No wonder the nuclear family is individualistic and isolated. All the “talk” about solidarity doesn’t appear to add up to anything like a “strong and supportive community.”

And you do understand the difference between BLM the organization and BLM the movement, yet?

So, apparently, there is also a difference between Catholicism the organization and Catholicism the movement, as well?

Sounds like disconnects are everywhere. It also sounds like people are quite willing to go out of their way to defend the indefensible by drumming up all kinds of faux distinctions and “differences.”

What, precisely, does the difference between BLM the organization and BLM the movement entail? That verbiage (as dispensed by the organization) is meaningless and we simply ought to assess by the actions of the movement? No problem. The actions of BLM (the movement) haven’t exactly been laudatory. And neither have the actions of the so-called defenders of BLM like the Catholic high school noted above who are quite willing to dispose of upstanding members of their own communities for the sake of woke PC culture. Nice try at obfuscation, though.

Where, exactly, has BLM (the movement) presented itself? Not in the rioting ostensibly, but only in the peaceful protests? Anything peaceful is attributable to BLM, but anything violent isn’t to be. Is that the locus of the “difference?”

The BLM Founder Who Begged Allah For Strength Not To 'Kill Sub Human Whites' Received a Government Award 'Encouraging A Run For Public Office' - The National Pulse

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Aren’t there like 2 threads about this specifically, already?

Yes, we’ve been over this several times and many have already said that they do not support BLM, the movement, because all kinds of extreme left political groups have jumped onto its train; it has no central structure or platform or organization etc. The BLM organizers deliberately chose to make it a loose coalition.

Those of us who choose to use the phrase “Black Lives Matter” mean it in terms of the literal words, not in support of the movement. Those of us who want to donate money to racial justice causes do not donate it to BLM but to some organization with a mission we clearly understand and agree with.

 

[HarryStotle]

Lea101:

Aren’t there like 2 threads about this specifically, already?

Yes, we’ve been over this several times and many have already said that they do not support BLM, the movement, because all kinds of extreme left political groups have jumped onto its train; it has no central structure or platform or organization etc. The BLM organizers deliberately chose to make it a loose coalition.

Frankly, I find this point confusing. The “movement” is not supportable because “all kinds of extreme left political groups have jumped onto its train,” and yet the organization itself was founded by extreme leftists and self-proclaimed Marxists like Alicia Garza and Patrisse Cullors who, themselves, claim to be extreme left political activists.

So, which is it? Is the organization bad because it was founded by extreme left political radicals or is the movement bad because it was hijacked by extreme left political groups? Sounds like both the movement and the organization were cut from the same cloth, no?

Those of us who choose to use the phrase “Black Lives Matter” mean it in terms of the literal words, not in support of the movement. Those of us who want to donate money to racial justice causes do not donate it to BLM but to some organization with a mission we clearly understand and agree with.

Who precisely are "those of us who choose to use the phrase “Black Lives Matter?” Are the words “those of us” in that claim inclusive of everyone who “chooses to use the phrase” or just those who choose to use the phrase without intending all the leftist extremism? How are we to know the difference?

Seems to me that since both the organization and the movement use the phrase to intend radical leftist extremism why would anyone not intending leftist extremism take up the mantra being used for radical leftist extremism? Why not make up your own phrase without all the confusing leftist extremist contrails?

 

[losh14]

That’s what makes this so tricky. I don’t have a problem saying the words 'black lives matter" because it needs to be said that I stand against excessive violence by police against blacks, and I stand against racism. Adding in the Marxist and revolutionary aspects … that’s where my support stops. It’s why I haven’t marched, or retweeted or shared a post about it. So really, I say I support BLM only when my company asks, because my company has more or less demanded that we support the organization in words. I posted a nice and succinct bit on LinkedIn and my boss and his boss gave it a thumbs-up. I’ve not posted a darned thing elsewhere, in part because I have police officers in my family.

The Marxism is starting to get ugly near us, too. I live in St. Louis. You may have heard about the demands to tear down teh statue of Saint Louis and change the city’s name. You probably didn’t see the video of BLM protesters - yes, people wearing BLM shirts and holding BLM signs - beating up two Catholics in prayer and chasing others off.

 

[Freddy]

blackforest:

And you do understand the difference between BLM the organization and BLM the movement, yet?

So, apparently, there is also a difference between Catholicism the organization and Catholicism the movement, as well?

Can we say that there is a vast difference between what the majority of Catholics view as being morally correct and what the church teaches is morally wrong?

The difference between that example and the blm movement is that all Catholics know what Catholicism stands for whereas most people don’t even know that there is a blm website let alone that it contains policy declarations.

I didn’t know myself until a couple of weeks ago when someone mentioned it on another thread. And I asked a bunch of people on the weekend who said they all generally supported the aims of blm also without knowing of any ‘official’ policies.

The aims that they (and I) support are purely linked to racism. Nothing more and nothing less. The claims that anyone who supports the movement is either intentionally or unknowingly supporting some Marxist movement intent on bringing down Western civilisation is laughable.

 

[HarryStotle]

The aims that they (and I) support are purely linked to racism. Nothing more and nothing less. The claims that anyone who supports the movement is either intentionally or unknowingly supporting some Marxist movement intent on bringing down Western civilisation is laughable.

These individuals are not finding “some Marxist movement intent on bringing down Western civilization” laughable.

I suppose protecting a statue from destruction is now “purely linked to racism. Nothing more and nothing less.”

I further suppose the word “racism” can mean different things to different people — and to some that defending western civilization is the epitome of racism. That notion is laughable — but not to many proponents of BLM.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

The aims that they (and I) support are purely linked to racism. Nothing more and nothing less. The claims that anyone who supports the movement is either intentionally or unknowingly supporting some Marxist movement intent on bringing down Western civilisation is laughable.

These individuals are not finding “some Marxist movement intent on bringing down Western civilization” laughable.

So you post a video of morons acting criminally and that means that everyone supporting blm can be associated with them.

Do you think that’s a good argument? I guess you do else why post it…

 

[Annie]

So you post a video of morons acting criminally and that means that everyone supporting blm can be associated with them.

Do you think that’s a good argument? I guess you do else why post it…

I think the problem is that criminals are not being treated as criminals should be treated because they are operating under the auspices of the BLM movement.

 

[Lea101]

There needs to be many more so people wake up. There are even priests out there protesting holding BLM signs

Everyone has already said what they think. At this point, it’s just people wanting to vent about how they don’t support it. We all know that there’s a disconnect between the phrase and the organisation, and that those priests are probably not donating to this organisation anyway.

Also, while I’ve seen what they said about the Western nuclear family, I haven’t seen what they meant exactly so it’s just something I’m suspicious of, not to the point of being triggered when a Catholic/conservative says it.

The answer seems clear. Do I think black lives matter? Yes. Do I support Black Lives Matter. If it’s the organisation, I’m suspicious of it. If you’re referring to the sentiment, yes.

I feel like we are all just repeating points now. So I guess I’ll refrain from contributing to the thread. Racism is always a hot and controversial topic on CAF, ironically.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

So you post a video of morons acting criminally and that means that everyone supporting blm can be associated with them.

Do you think that’s a good argument? I guess you do else why post it…

I think the problem is that criminals are not being treated as criminals should be treated because they are operating under the auspices of the BLM movement.

Do me a favour. If someone is looting or comitting arson or beating up someone then it doesn’t matter if he’s wearing a blm t-shirt or a Save The Whales one. If he’s caught then he’ll be treated the same as anyone else.

These arguments are becoming more fanciful every thread. What have we got so far? People who support the movement against racism who dare use the term blm are all supporting the dismantling of the family unit, are Marxists, want to bring down the government, are given free rein to commit criminal acts, want to destroy Christianity…have I left anything out?

You should be aware that the more ridiculous one’s claims are the less weight they carry. You end up preaching to the choir.

 

[Freddy]

ALL Races here, Catholics have you read the BLM "what we believe"?

Freddy:

So you post a video of morons acting criminally and that means that everyone supporting blm can be associated with them.

Do you think that’s a good argument? I guess you do else why post it…

I think the problem is that criminals are not being treated as criminals should be treated because they are operating under the auspices of the BLM movement.

Do me a favour. If someone is looting or comitting arson or beating up someone then it doesn’t matter if he’s wearing a blm t-shirt or a Save The Whales one. If he’s caught then he’ll be treated the same as anyone else.

These arguments are becoming more fanciful every thread. What have we got so far? People who support the movement against racism who dare use the term blm are all supporting the dismantling of the family unit, are Marxists, want to bring down the government, are given free rein to commit criminal acts, want to destroy Christianity…have I left anything out?

You should be aware that the more ridiculous ones claims are the less weight they carry. You end up preaching to the choir.

Edit: I did leave one out. According to a new thread we’re all anti-semites as well.

 

[Polak]

Aren’t there like 2 threads about this specifically, already?

More than that I think. It has been discussed to death.

To answer the OP though, yes, the sections where BLM talk about their aims, is very disturbing. This is why I categorically do not support the movement.

 

[Salibi]

This. I can affirm that Black Lives Matter without being part of the organization by that name or subscribing to all their beliefs

I was just coming along to say this. This has been explained several times to no avail. People are supporting the anti-racism protests, and the slogan Black Lives Matter (which all Catholics should support, as it’s unCatholic not to be anti-racist), NOT the BLM movement.

But let’s not be naive. All of us understand full well that there are some here who do not believe that Black lives matter, and who advocate for this belief behind a facade of religiosity and Catholicism.

I am honestly getting tired of these threads. I fail to see why some Catholics refuse to endorse anti-racism. You can support an ideal without endorsing all of the movements protesting for it.

I currently live in a country where for the past year people have been demonstrating against our corrupt government; everyone from right-wing nationalists to Communists has been participating in the protests. Do I stop demonstrating and accept life under a tyrannical, anti-democratic regime simply because the person demonstrating next to me might be a Communist? Nope. The same concept applies here.

Unless, of course, someone has a vested interest in seeing Blacks repressed, and is posting based on that interest.

 

[Niblo]

Be safe, my friend. I think if you - at least - whenever Lebanon is in the news. May the Exalted protect you, and your family and friends.

 

[puer.dei]

Is there anyone out protesting who is not a marxist? probably but they are supporting marxism whether they think so or not

That’s just ridiculous. The only “good” done by being that simplistic is that it removes any need to actually try to understand others’ points of view.

 

[Polak]

Perhaps some people believe these protests against racism are either unjustified or not really protests against racism but a vehicle for a much deeper goal, or both?

Perhaps white folks are sick and tired of hearing phrases like ‘abolish whiteness’, which suggests whiteness is the reason that racism exists. Ironically such a viewpoint is actually very racist itself. Well, unless of course you subscribe to the ideology that only white people can be racist of course.

 

[Annie]

Do me a favour. If someone is looting or comitting arson or beating up someone then it doesn’t matter if he’s wearing a blm t-shirt or a Save The Whales one. If he’s caught then he’ll be treated the same as anyone else.

Two points: 1) the criminals acting under the auspices of BLM are defended and excused, and 2) there is little if any attempt to stop them; when the police come out “in force,” the exercise is called fascistic.

I am talking about the US here, not Australia. Things may be different where you are.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Do me a favour. If someone is looting or comitting arson or beating up someone then it doesn’t matter if he’s wearing a blm t-shirt or a Save The Whales one. If he’s caught then he’ll be treated the same as anyone else.

I am talking about the US here, not Australia. Things may be different where you are.

I think they are. Nobody here makes nonsensical arguments berating those who support the anti racism movement commonly referred to as blm and describing them as anti-semite Marxists who want to destroy the concept of family and bring down the church.

 

[Agnus-Dei]

A group of “police” are standing in full uniform. Someone asks one of them for help. They say, “Oh, I work for the parks department”.
If you (generally) are standing in a group of people wearing the same “uniform” as they are, do not be surprised when you are recognized as part of that group.
You put the label on yourself willingly.
Dominus vobiscum

 

[DeSales111]

Isaiah 5:20.; Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

There are many within the BLM movement with good intentions, but it seems the overall movement reeks of evil. From the very beginning violence and anger have been what drives the movement. The movement is not rooted out of love for one another and hatred is the driving force behind it. From what I’m seeing and hearing it looks like the anti authority, political extremest, pro abortion, pro homosexual, anti government, and anti religious crowds have united in some strange way.

Is the BLM movement really about racism? Or does it run deeper? It’s like the movement has two lungs, one wants peace and justice, while the other breathes hatred and revenge.

Real protesters must pick up their Cross, not their weapons. They must represent the Truth not the crowds hell bent to crucify. They must forgive and not blame. They must receive the insults, not hurl them. They must be the ones spit upon, not be the ones spitting in the face of others. Just look at what Jesus went through to get His message heard. He protested and defeated ALL sin and corruption, but He never lashed out at those who wronged Him. LOVE is the ONLY way to end racism. All the violence will just create more racism, and even if the racism is silent, it’s there.

And for those evil forces riding on the coat tails of those who truly want to end racism…Isaiah has a message for you!