That organization, perhaps. The movement, which is much bigger than the organization, no. I refuse to let anyone tear down this much needed movement and occasion for hope through criticism of people who are not representative of the movement, like the woman cited.
The only universal goal of BLM i have seen is the tearing down of what they deem to be racist and offensive cultural symbols, history and art in order to bring about change. To defund or even downright remove the law and order in pursuit of an alternative all the while doing nothing to pursue real solutions.Paddy1989:
That organization, perhaps. The movement, which is much bigger than the organization, no. I refuse to let anyone tear down this much needed movement and occasion for hope through criticism of people who are not representative of the movement, like the woman cited.
If that is all you see then you have missed the point of the millions of peaceful protesters asking for justice and equal treatment for those of other races, especially blacks. The statues to people who symbolize that injustice are just one visible focus around which they gather, just because it is visible, unlike the acts of injustice that are often done out of view of the public eye. Defunding the police is a common, but not universal, proposal which means many things. In the more reasonable cases it does not mean disbanding the police, but just shifting some of the funding from the police toward community development to more directly address the problems of the communities that they patrol. As for riots and vandalism, those acts are vastly outnumbered by the huge number of peaceful protesters in this cause. Discrediting the whole movement on account of those acts of violence is like, in 1859, discrediting the entire abolition movement on account of the violence done by abolitionists at Harper’s Ferry. Sure, the raid on Harper’s Ferry was unjustified. But the abolition movement as a whole was not.
Someone posted about the civil rights marches MLK from was involved in were reported and the same things were said. I’m not saying this to justify the violence obviously, but it’s interesting to see the pattern, especially now that MLK seems to be propped up because people said his protests were not violent.
I’m sorry but the riots and vandalism are on a DAILY basis and now we are seeing Churches and religious statues attacked, even a BLM leader calling for religious statues to be torn down. This movement is nothing short of divisive and evil, look at it’s fruits, what good is any of this doing? The ideology behind this which is no longer about police brutality but about changing western culture itself is Marxist, it always was and is now clear to see. I was told by you and another poster that wasn’t the case and it was solely about Police brutality and dealing with racism, well now EVERYONE can see weeks later. It’s downright lunacy and is obviously an offshoot from the LBGTQI+ ideology used in identity politics.Paddy1989:
If that is all you see then you have missed the point of the millions of peaceful protesters asking for justice and equal treatment for those of other races, especially blacks. The statues to people who symbolize that injustice are just one visible focus around which they gather, just because it is visible, unlike the acts of injustice that are often done out of view of the public eye. Defunding the police is a common, but not universal, proposal which means many things. In the more reasonable cases it does not mean disbanding the police, but just shifting some of the funding from the police toward community development to more directly address the problems of the communities that they patrol. As for riots and vandalism, those acts are vastly outnumbered by the huge number of peaceful protesters in this cause. Discrediting the whole movement on account of those acts of violence is like, in 1859, discrediting the entire abolition movement on account of the violence done by abolitionists at Harper’s Ferry. Sure, the raid on Harper’s Ferry was unjustified. But the abolition movement as a whole was not.
Instead of going by your “feelings” on the issue, do the numbers. The peaceful protesters vastly outnumber those that do violence.
It is bringing together people of different races in agreement over the need for reform. That is a very good thing.
Is exactly what this thread is about. And I don’t think you have it right yet.
Until they saw George Floyd slowly suffocated to death in full living color video. Now they are not laughing.
I think throughout this thread there has been a conflation of the organization and the movement.Paddy1989:
It is bringing together people of different races in agreement over the need for reform. That is a very good thing.
I can assure you those putting forward the self hating lie of white privilege and attacking western culture don’t even remember George Floyd especially outside the US where many of the left are using this to pursue an agenda of change in their own nations. This isn’t about systemic racism what has been proven to be a lie, it’s much more than that. ALL can see it. There is so much damage being done in the culture overall, there is no people coming together, rather it is a witch hunt in the form of cancel culture. You can pretend you don’t see it but enough people on here and in society at large are voicing their disgust at it. I really hope you and others don’t get too swept on this and become pawns for the radical left.Paddy1989:
Instead of going by your “feelings” on the issue, do the numbers. The peaceful protesters vastly outnumber those that do violence.
It is bringing together people of different races in agreement over the need for reform. That is a very good thing.
Is exactly what this thread is about. And I don’t think you have it right yet.
Until they saw George Floyd slowly suffocated to death in full living color video. Now they are not laughing.
No-one is saying it isn’t but the movement is pushing a radical leftist agenda that is increasing instability in the US for their own gain. We see this every few years under a new disguise, the me too movement, the continued offensive by pro choice groups and LGBTQI+ groups. These groups aim and have been succeeding in usurping God, the State and the family.
Your personal assurances of what is in the memory of those with whom you strongly disagree are not very authoritative. It seems to me (again, just my personal opinion) that the memory of George Floyd is very much alive.
It is about systemic racism, which has not been proven to be a lie.
That’s what they said about the abolition movement in the 1850’s too.
If you look at the diversity of races marching together in these protests it certainly seems like people are coming together.
…as opposed to being swept up as pawns for the radical right?
Paddy1989:
Your personal assurances of what is in the memory of those with whom you strongly disagree are not very authoritative. It seems to me (again, just my personal opinion) that the memory of George Floyd is very much alive.
It is about systemic racism, which has not been proven to be a lie.
That’s what they said about the abolition movement in the 1850’s too.
If you look at the diversity of races marching together in these protests it certainly seems like people are coming together.
…as opposed to being swept up as pawns for the radical right?
This Federalist opinion piece is not unexpected. Looking at it we see that the author mostly avoids the direct question of whether there is systematic racism. Instead he cites incidental polls about black support of their local police. The author casts unproven aspersions on the FBI data, saying that their special-interest database is more reliable! The author cites the irrelevant statistic of how the media covers police shootings. I mean, he can get his digs in at the media, I suppose, but the question was not about the media. Then the author comes right out and admits:
But then has to quick turn around and try to justify the discrepancy by saying that police have a harder time in black neighborhoods. In other words, it is the blacks own fault they are being killed more than whites. He also embarks on another totally irrelevant side issue of the race of the police officer, as if the whole issue was about white cops killing black people. It is not. It is about police, of whatever race killing blacks. The fact that those officers may be black does not prevent them from following through and acting upon the systemic racism, because the racism is in the system and they are part of the system. We see that there are plenty of white cops, even Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs, that were joining with the protesters. So it is not a white vs black thing. It is the system vs blacks. But as expected, Mr. Lott sidesteps that issue because he cannot address it head on. He does not address the fact that blacks are 3 times more likely to be stopped and questioned by police than whites. That alone leads to many of the confrontations that did not need to even happen. Even Republican US Senator Tim Scott admits to having been pulled over by the police seven times in one year.