What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Freddy:

Paddy1989:

RobertAdams:

Hello Paddy1989,

One does not “dupe” people by clearly stating one’s beliefs on one’s website, the entire point of “duping” being to conceal what one doesn’t want known.

One also doesn’t act inappropriately as an activist organization by enlisting support of previously less invested partners, that; rather than touting one’s realness, being the point of activism.

As mentioned you can support as many or as few of the goals endorsed by the BLM organization as you wish while still supporting the general effort to protest racism in the justice system. They will require no membership, no dues, nor any pledge of loyalty from you.

That is not disputed here, that wasn’t the point of this thread at all. However i do find your having a hard time proving the US is institutionally racist including police brutality.

All you need do, Paddy, is clearly and concisely state that you don’t think there is a problem. All those who realise that there is can then carry on discussing it.

I’m sorry but i don’t know if you are on the wrong thread as there is several on the issue of these protests but this thread is discussing Black Lives Matter and what they are about. To bring it to light so perhaps other sympathetic to this group and even supportive of who they are can see their ultimate agenda at play.

You don’t appear to believe there’s a problem:

“Police brutality is across the board, it’s not a racist issue. There is and unfortunately as sin exists always be elements of racism but it is not institutional the way many are implying. Also given that this is a lie…”

Just say ‘There is no problem’ and be done with it. Trying to conflate millions of protesters (across the world) with some sort of Marxism ideology is clouding the issue.

Your attacking a strawman here. Let me reiterate, BLM are a Marxist organisation with a Marxist agenda. The point of this thread is to bring to light to their supporters who they are. Are many of their supporters, Marxist, of course not otherwise i wouldn’t have put up this thread

Also of course police brutality is a problem, it’s a problem everywhere but it’s not a racist issue and defunding the police isn’t going to help things

 

[EssentialBeing]

There are many flaws with BOTH the marxist view & the capitalistic view, as anything to its extreme is bad. My point is that moderation is required in all cases as many could also point out the flaws of ADAM SMITH & unfettered capitalism.

 

[Freddy]

Your attacking a strawman here. Let me reiterate, BLM are a Marxist organisation with a Marxist agenda. The point of this thread is to bring to light to their supporters who they are. Are many of their supporters, Marxist, of course not otherwise i wouldn’t have put up this thread

I could care less what’s on the BLM website. People who are protesting come from all groups. Christians, Muslims, atheists, black, Hispanic, Asian, Democrats, Republicans…

What they all have in common is an understanding that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Some people, you included, don’t think that there is a problem.

“Police brutality is across the board, it’s not a racist issue. There is and unfortunately as sin exists always be elements of racism but it is not institutional the way many are implying. Also given that this is a lie…”

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

What about Police brutality against white people where a white unarmed man is more likely to be killed than an unarmed black man?

What about the whataboutisms dragged into every conversation on a social injustice? The whole all-lives-matter gambit reminds me of pro-choicers accusing pro-lifers: “What about born people? Don’t you care about them, too?” It’s like having the gall to tell the American Cancer Society, “What about diabetes? Don’t you care about that, too? All diseases matter!”

Your data is incorrect, as well. African-Americans are 2.5 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

You started a thread equivocating between a movement and an organization, trying to tarnish the former by dragging in the latter. This is an unfair move.

The movement and organization have the same goals, the defunding of the police to begin with of course thats only the start. It would be naive to think they are going to stop there when they have the momentum of support and influence.

Also my data isn’t incorrect, i stated that UNARMED white people were more likely to be killed by police than black. Your figures have nothing to do with that and don’t dispute it

Let’s look at the bigger picture in policing - Brookings Register

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Your attacking a strawman here. Let me reiterate, BLM are a Marxist organisation with a Marxist agenda. The point of this thread is to bring to light to their supporters who they are. Are many of their supporters, Marxist, of course not otherwise i wouldn’t have put up this thread

I could care less what’s on the BLM website. People who are protesting come from all groups. Christians, Muslims, atheists, black, Hispanic, Asian, Democrats, Republicans…

What they all have in common is an understanding that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Some people, you included, don’t think that there is a problem.

“Police brutality is across the board, it’s not a racist issue. There is and unfortunately as sin exists always be elements of racism but it is not institutional the way many are implying. Also given that this is a lie…”

Now the cracks are starting to show with your point. BLM are protesting against RACIST police brutality, NOT police brutality across the board, thats why it’s called BLACK live matters, because it believes there is systemic racism in the police aimed at hunting down and killing blacks. The movement cares little for brutality against white people, it’s objective is to create more division through identity politics

Also a large number of people are angry at these protests, a point which i assume you’ll continue to ignore because it entirely rubbish’s entire these virtue signalling protests. COVID-19, remember that? Remember that businesses and Church’s that are in lock-down while politicians threaten them with closure if they try and open, remember these same politicians praising the protests even REFUSING to condemn the riots and looting.

If COVID-19 is a bad as the left claim then these protesters and anyone who supports them disregard human life HOWEVER if Covid-19 isn’t such a big deal anymore then how about protesting something worth protesting for, the opening of Church’s and businesses to lift people out of the poverty line? Cmon think about this, people who are supporting this haven’t really got a leg to stand on because it’s either hippocrcy or just downright discrimination against everyone else who have to abide by the law

 

[Freddy]

As I said, you don’t think there’s a problem. There have been a few people posting who share your view.

 

[EssentialBeing]

No, not all people who lean to the left, aspire to MARXIST theory. Are you suggesting that the entire BLM movement are extreme leftist?

Trying to conflate millions of protesters (across the world) with some sort of Marxism ideology is clouding the issue.

Good point Freddy

 

[blackforest]

The movement and organization have the same goals, the defunding of the police to begin with of course thats only the start.

A “movement” is a group coalescing under one umbrella, BLM in this case, but they won’t agree on every last ideological bullet point.

I am part of the pro-life movement. There are pro-life organizations that I refuse to support. But I may show up at the March for Life and demonstrate alongside them. Are you getting the difference yet?

 

[Paddy1989]

As I said, you don’t think there’s a problem. There have been a few people posting who share your view.

Listen i’m all for being against racism or any other form of discrimination, i mean we are Catholics, our world-view dictates it but in light of what this organisation is and the agenda they are pushing.

In light of Covid-19 shutting down Church’s and businesses while politicians praise these protests and support the defunding of the police and were reluctant to stop the rioting and looting i’m a little bit worried to say the least for the future with regards to how politicians act in regards to economic and religious freedom compared to being trendy and liked on social media with fashionable social issues built on division and tribalism forced on by those who wish to look at life through the prism of race, gender, sexual orientation etc.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

The movement and organization have the same goals, the defunding of the police to begin with of course thats only the start.

A “movement” is a group coalescing under one umbrella, BLM in this case, but they won’t agree on every last ideological bullet point.

I am part of the pro-life movement. There are pro-life organizations that I refuse to support. But I may show up at the March for Life and demonstrate alongside them. Are you getting the difference yet?

BLM movement and the organisation don’t agree on every last issue, noone has disputed that. Understand my point, they are campaigning for certain policies in which is AGREED in the movement and group across the board starting off with defunding the police. Tell me do you support defunding the police because BLM aren’t just protesting for the point of it, they want bring out social and political change and in this they are UNITED.

Their other issues with breaking down the family unit in favor of some sort of collective family or about transgender issues may be disagreed with between those in the group and movement with but with these protests they are unified around some aspects and it’s these i’m pointing out

 

[Freddy]

…and it’s these i’m pointing out.

Whilst denying the reason for the protests.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

…and it’s these i’m pointing out.

Whilst denying the reason for the protests.

The reason for the protests is based on a false narrative to bring about social and political change in which sees police funding cut as it’s first order of business… To begin with

 

[EssentialBeing]

The reason for the protests is based on a false narrative to bring about social and political change

What has happened is the instability caused by civil disobedience has given rise to many other minority agendas, in other words the peaceful protests have been hijacked by extreme voices.

We must never forget the original premise of the peaceful protest, & that is to

STOP DEATHS IN CUSTODY BY LETHAL FORCE, once & for all

 

[nicholasG]

nicholasG:

Fact Check!

The Daily Wire

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes.

Good job i also posted the link to the BLM itself where you can read yourself and verify their entire point,. If anything said here was false please elaborate. Happy Reading

This seems to be typical of some today, ‘‘i’m not going to read that because it’s left/right wing’’. The point is still valid. There is more than just one side to this

Fact check

BLM
Overall, we rate Black Lives Matter Left Biased based on political positions that aligns with the progressive Democratic platform. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

Fact check (I posted the wrong fact check last time, this is the correct one…my error)

The Daily Wire
Overall, we rate The Daily Wire borderline questionable and Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that align with the conservative right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks. If the Daily Wire fails another fact check will be moved to the Questionable list.

Know what you’re reading

 

[Paddy1989]

This is just the start

Majority of Minneapolis City Council commits to dismantling city's police department

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

nicholasG:

Fact Check!

The Daily Wire

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes.

Good job i also posted the link to the BLM itself where you can read yourself and verify their entire point,. If anything said here was false please elaborate. Happy Reading

This seems to be typical of some today, ‘‘i’m not going to read that because it’s left/right wing’’. The point is still valid. There is more than just one side to this

Fact check

BLM
Overall, we rate Black Lives Matter Left Biased based on political positions that aligns with the progressive Democratic platform. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

Fact check (I posted the wrong fact check last time, this is the correct one…my error)

The Daily Wire
Overall, we rate The Daily Wire borderline questionable and Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that align with the conservative right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks. If the Daily Wire fails another fact check will be moved to the Questionable list.

Know what you’re reading

What about CNN or any other media by the left that has posted information proven to be false. Almost all media is biased to a certain extent even Catholic media. Again this reeks of censorship by those on the left who hold others to a higher standard than themselves and remove all and any opposing viewpoints from discussion. A very dangerous road to go down in a free and democratic society i assure you

Funnily enough i posted the black lives matters link post below it so you can see that the facts in the article line up. Whats more worrying is on a Catholic Website how more focus is put on how right leaning daily wire is than the Marxist agenda of BLM which is by it’s very ideology anti Catholic

 

[EssentialBeing]

Almost all media is biased to a certain extent even Catholic media.

On the one hand you point out the fact that it happens on all sides

Again this reeks of censorship by those on the left who hold others to a higher standard than themselves and remove all and any opposing viewpoints from discussion.

And then this, many of us accept that your first statement is TRUE that it happens on ALL sides.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Almost all media is biased to a certain extent even Catholic media.

On the one hand you point out the fact that it happens on all sides

Again this reeks of censorship by those on the left who hold others to a higher standard than themselves and remove all and any opposing viewpoints from discussion.

And then this, we should just accept that your first statement is TRUE that it happens on ALL sides.

I stated all media is biased, right and left. My second point claims it is the liberal left however that is increasingly calling for censorship on the right and ANYONE including Christians who don’t agree with their narrative. I’m sure you have heard of cancel culture. I tell you it’s gotten so bad even prominent Atheists who would have identified in the past with the liberal left are extremely put off by it’s recent actions.

If one follows how such people are active in universities where they through intimidation, bullying and even violence have shut down prominent speakers on the right and those who don’t subscribe to their world-view, this is mainly going one way. They are able to get away with it because their views are trendy and popular in Hollywood and among celebrities today

 

[EssentialBeing]

The point i am trying to make is that BOTH sides can be extreme at times, it just happens to be the left is louder at the moment.

The left & right are opposites, however they make up the one SINGLE democracy.

 

[Paddy1989]

The point i am trying to make is that BOTH sides can be extreme at times, it just happens to be the left is louder at the moment

Yes i agree, sorry, i misunderstood