What Black Lives Matter Believe

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To say the MARXIST agenda is extreme is the same as saying the SMITHIST agenda is extreme. ALL agendas & ALL views can be taken to their extremes & makes no difference what the issues are, it happens across the board.

Example;
To say someone is HOMOPHOBIC would suggest they are HETEROPHOBIC
To say someone is on the extreme LEFT would suggest they are on the extreme RIGHT

The truth could be that one voice moderates the other, in the end, we end up somewhere in the middle.
 
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However there will be an increasing number of people now starting to become active and want to find out what they are about susceptible to this indoctrination
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There is no indoctrination. If people support the principle of Black Lives Matter, as it makes sense to them, they will do so in their own manner. There are no dues to be paid. There you cannot be “kicked out” of the movement. People are seeing the truth in the movement and responding with compassion. Not only the general public, but law enforcement officers too. There have been a number of instances where a law enforcement officer connected with the protesters, in some cases hugging them, in some cases kneeling down with them, in some cases just listening to them with compassion. And those gestures were returned. For example, see the case of Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson. These are reasons for hope. It is time to support people like Sheriff Swanson and heal our nation instead of trying to deepen the divide.
 
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Paddy1989:
However there will be an increasing number of people now starting to become active and want to find out what they are about susceptible to this indoctrination
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There is no indoctrination. If people support the principle of Black Lives Matter, as it makes sense to them, they will do so in their own manner. There are no dues to be paid. There you cannot be “kicked out” of the movement. People are seeing the truth in the movement and responding with compassion. Not only the general public, but law enforcement officers too. There have been a number of instances where a law enforcement officer connected with the protesters, in some cases hugging them, in some cases kneeling down with them, in some cases just listening to them with compassion. And those gestures were returned. For example, see the case of Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson. These are reasons for hope. It is time to support people like Sheriff Swanson and heal our nation instead of trying to deepen the divide.
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The divide has never been deeper due to what has happened in the last several days not due to Floyd’s death but how BLM are USING this to promote a false narrative of systemic racism. Something that has been proven to be false over and over.

This is the problem is have with those who use identity politics, they claim to be healing and unifying people but in order to do that they must first divide them and then claim it’s because of the system they are divided by giving half assessed data that doesn’t take into consideration all factors at play. It’s an ideology for the intellectually lazy who look at life though the prism of race, gender, sexual orientation.

By the way this has been happening for years, taking data and making a shallow assessment to try and prove sexism is the cause of the wage gap or that racism is the cause of why that Cop was too rough in a viral video. Does anyone even know if Floyd was killed through racist intentions or was it just a case of police brutality? I mean if a white man mistreats a black man why should we assume racism? As i said some people do because they look at life through the prism of race when it appears they themselves are the very people who can’t get passed race
 
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Paddy1989:
The divide has never been deeper due to what has happened in the last several days not due to Floyd’s death
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Wrong. The nation is more united on this issue than before. Did you even look at the Sheriff Swanson story? There are others like it.
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Honestly i’ve seen more stories with tens of millions of views of protesters attacking people in cars who speed off in fear of their life. Of people who are angry at the absolute hippocricy of Covid-19 with these protesters. I mean surely you get that? Most people aren’t that naive to ignore this. As i said only time will tell but i don’t think this is going to go well for the left especially as it empathized with the violence.

In the end it appears these communities are united around the democrat leaders who have put them in this situation and keep them there so it’s a fair assessment to make that things will stay the same at best or get worse in terms of crime and the social issues
 
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Black Lives Matter is a Leftist group. Whether they are Marxist themselves is left to be seen, but they are surely influenced by Marxist money & support. They also utilize Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

While I support the goal of racial equality, I don’t think the methods used by Black Lives Matter are productive & I think their methods might undermine race relations moving forward. Black Lives Matter is akin to the leftist Woman’s March.

That said, Antifa is the real threat, not Black Lives Matter.
 
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To those who are caught up reading up on celebrities who are creating division here is a more level headed approach to things not based on sentimentality
 
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Does anyone even know if Floyd was killed through racist intentions or was it just a case of police brutality?
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A very god point, & correct me if i am wrong, but I think you are suggesting that society is too quick to attribute this issue to racism.

The figures do show that minority groups have it much worse & this is also reflected in figures from around the world. Perhaps the racist debate gets immediate attention because the minorities suffer in greater proportion to the majorities.

I agree the slogan or movement “black lives matter” should be consolidated to “all lives matter”
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Wrong. The nation is more united on this issue than before. Did you even look at the Sheriff Swanson story? There are others like it.
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@LeafByNiggle

I think there are two parallel issues going on.
  1. Police Brutality against everyone, eps African Americans: Yes, we can ALL come together on this. This is not a question & I think everyone was outraged and ready for reforms after the videos.
  2. Leftist rioting by Antifa and similar groups: The hate filled “protests” by the angry mob is not peaceful protest and is being incited by Marxists and archarists who want to destroy the nation and remake it in their image.
Peaceful protests are PRAYERFUL protests, like the ones supported by Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King & the Pro Life Marches across the country.

But when you have angry protests, filled with profanity, fear, screaming, etc; that leads to violence.

When Churches are spray painted or burned, you know you don’t have a prayerful & peaceful protest.

BUT AGAIN: I totally support and agree with the PEACEFUL & PRAYERFUL protests that have also taken place. We need police reform, no questions asked. But I disagree with the notion that we are systematically racist country. I think we are a systematically CLASSIST country, but not a racist one.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Wrong. The nation is more united on this issue than before. Did you even look at the Sheriff Swanson story? There are others like it.
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@LeafByNiggle

I think there are two parallel issues going on.
  1. Police Brutality against everyone, eps African Americans: Yes, we can ALL come together on this. This is not a question & I think everyone was outraged and ready for reforms after the videos.
  2. Leftist rioting by Antifa and similar groups: The hate filled “protests” by the angry mob is not peaceful protest and is being incited by Marxists and archarists who want to destroy the nation and remake it in their image.
Peaceful protests are PRAYERFUL protests, like the ones supported by Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King & the Pro Life Marches across the country.

But when you have angry protests, filled with profanity, fear, screaming, etc; that leads to violence.

When Churches are spray painted or burned, you know you don’t have a prayerful & peaceful protest.

BUT AGAIN: I totally support and agree with the PEACEFUL & PRAYERFUL protests that have also taken place. We need police reform, no questions asked. But I disagree with the notion that we are systematically racist country. I think we are a systematically CLASSIST country, but not a racist one.
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I agree that peaceful protests can go ahead for anything ONLY if businesses and Church’s can re-open and the restrictions placed on them that is exempt from the protesters is removed. I feel that is the biggest issue that bothers people
 
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phil19034 said:
incited by Marxists
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A Marxist is not an extremist by default, as ALL ideologies have their own extremes. I would agree that the violence is being conducted by the EXTREME but not by all
 
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As mentioned in the YouTube up thread 🙂
So much truth in what was said.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
many of these groups are Marxists
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I agree that they have leftist views, but it is not correct to see them all as EXTREMIST.
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We need to stop seeing people by colours, and start seeing them as people.
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👍 👍 👍 If I could add to stop seeing people by color, to include, language, religion, gender, income, heritage & start seeing them as one species, one home
 
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EssentialBeing said:
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phil19034:
incited by Marxists
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A Marxist is not an extremist by default, as ALL ideologies have their own extremes. I would agree that the violence is being conducted by the EXTREME but not by all
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I disagree. A real Marxist / Communist is willing to engage in violence against the innocent in order to achieve their goals, if they think it will work.
 
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A real Marxist / Communist is willing to engage in violence against the innocent in order to achieve their goals, if they think it will work.
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If you mean an EXTREME Marxist, I agree, as their are many people with LEFTIST views that are NOT extreme at all.

To say that everyone with a leftist view is an EXTREME Marxist, is the same as saying that everyone with a religious view is an EXTREME apologist. Both views are incorrect.
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Marxism wants to eliminate all differences
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Your statement only speaks to the EXTREME & taken to its leftist limits. Same as the Adam Smith ideology to its EXTREME would want unfettered capitalism if taken to its rightist limit
 
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EssentialBeing said:
language, religion, gender, income, heritage
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Nothing wrong with seeing people for language, religion, gender, income, & heritage; as long as it’s not used for hate.

As a Catholic, I want to worship with Catholics. As a man, I want to be married to a woman (and I am). As a Catholic, I want to PERSONALLY help people who are less fortunate. And as a person with Italian & Spanish heritage, I want to enjoy Italian & Spanish foods.

The key is to appreciate differences. But Marxism wants to eliminate all differences, except for those in power - which is extreme
 
I guess it is not vogue to say it any more, but far more black lives will be lost to the virus than to criminal police behavior. These demonstrations can only increase the spread of the virus. While they are out door, you still have people with heavy breathing and coughing when gas is deployed.

Black people are more susceptible to the virus.
 
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