What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Freddy]

I never claimed i was but you give the false impression that most people on this forum support BLM which certainly isn’t the case.

No, Paddy. I am pointing out that you don’t think (and have stated) that there is a racial problem. And that thankfully you are in a significant minority within this forum.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

You’ve made your position abundantly clear, Paddy. You aren’t representative of the Catholics on this forum. And that is to the credit of almost all that post here.

I never claimed i was but you give the false impression that most people on this forum support BLM which certainly isn’t the case.

No, Paddy. I am pointing out that you don’t think (and have stated) that there is a racial problem. And that thankfully you are in a significant minority within this forum.
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I disagree but hey, if it makes you feel better

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

True though i feel the protests have been overshadowed by this especially as the protests shouldn’t even be happening in the first place with Covid-19

Report the facts, separate the myth.
Covid overshadows everything and If these goings on, both the running amok and the peaceful protests dont see an exponential increase in cases, then that anomoly needs exploring and could aide in defeating the virus.

I’m sorry but are you claiming you we should let these protests go in an attempt to test if the virus could spread or not?

What if it does, isn’t that negligence on our part and also what does that say to BLM whenever they can go out and effectively spead Covid-19 all they want but everyone else in society must obey by the more strict protection laws of the lock-down. It kind of proves their point of systemic racism wouldn’t you agree? That society cares less for them

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I’m sorry but are you claiming you we should let these protests go in an attempt to test if the virus could spread or not?

Its pretty clear what I am saying. Please re read it.

What if it does, isn’t that negligence on our part and also what does that say to BLM whenever they can go out and effectively spead Covid-19 all they want but everyone else in society must obey by the more strict protection laws of the lock-down. It kind of proves their point of systemic racism wouldn’t you agree? That society cares less for them

People have choices, one would hope those protesting or running amok will do the right thing.
Do we really want ‘nanny’ states?

What is your definition of systemic racism and for the record have you ever been personally the subject of racism?

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

I’m sorry but are you claiming you we should let these protests go in an attempt to test if the virus could spread or not?

Its pretty clear what I am saying. Please re read it.

What if it does, isn’t that negligence on our part and also what does that say to BLM whenever they can go out and effectively spead Covid-19 all they want but everyone else in society must obey by the more strict protection laws of the lock-down. It kind of proves their point of systemic racism wouldn’t you agree? That society cares less for them

People have choices, one would hope those protesting or running amok will do the right thing.
Do we really want ‘nanny’ states?

What is your definition of systemic racism and for the record have you ever been personally the subject of racism?

People have choices? I wish you could of told that to the 40 million Americans who lost their jobs with Covid-19 because their businesses were forced to close or the thousands of Church’s closed. Personally I think the lock-down should be lifted but the hippocricy by some i would say is overwhelming.

Systemic racism is used by the liberal left today to take away from their failures of the communities they run top to bottom. That are not only getting worse but have a higher death toll than when they were getting lynched by mobs a century ago. The biggest factor is the breakdown of the family and the reliance on the welfare state. Racism exists as much as sin exists, it isn’t however happening on the scale those on the left claim and the nonsense of white privilege has been refuted

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

People have choices?

Yes the choice to stay home or go protest and risk catching and spreading a virus , or catching and self isolating due to a virus.

I wish you could of told that to the 40 million Americans who lost their jobs with Covid-19 because their businesses were forced to close or the thousands of Church’s closed.

Virtue signalling !

I will say I believe the probability that many of these protestors are suffering economic , personal or health loss is pretty high. People are frustrated and the level of coping is dwindling.
What country are you in, what is the toll in your country?
Currently the global death toll from Covid is 5.7%. Brazil is experiencing 1 death a minute, India is in a very grave viral grip. The virus is worsening on a global scale. Buckle up, we are no where near the end of it.

Systemic racism is used by the liberal left today to take away from their failures of the communities they run top to bottom. That are not only getting worse but have a higher death toll than when they were getting lynched by mobs a century ago.

I have said time and time again on CAF I dont give a fig for political rhetoric, all it does is ‘other’ and lead to extremely creative apologetics for less then perfect party politics.
One great example of that is the putting Trump on a pedastol as a Catholic and totally dismissing/ ignoring/ turning a blind eye to his true abortion policy. But hey, blinkers. You know how they work, right? On a racehorse?

Racism exists as much as sin exists, it isn’t however happening on the scale those on the left claim and the nonsense of white privilege has been refuted

Did you answer my question, ever been personally the subject of racism?
What scale makes sin or racism acceptable to you?

 

[silentwitness]

You see this is called virtue signalling, jumping on a social issue because it’s trendy and makes one look good but the hippocricy is clear to see. This is the single biggest shocking thing for me in light of Covid-19 today which just last week was phrased especially by the left as the biggest threat to the west in 100 years but hey BLM right so riot, loot and protest for the eradication of the police all you want, just as long as you businesses and Church’s obey the lock-down law

Values in the politically correct religion are based on their political effectiveness. They have no intrinsic objective value in themselves. This is why they are thought of as hierarchical. A woke feminist today who should be lauded might be a rigid transphobe tomorrow who should be shunned. What was so important yesterday is not today even mentioned if it stands in the way of a possible favoured political outcome today.

President Bush when he was in office is a white patriarchal Christian war criminal but if he criticises President Trump today he is a moderate leader of the Republican party who we lament is no longer in power.

It is all tribal based on relativist principles that come out of secular Leftism.

There are no stable values or truth just narratives to gain power.

This is antithetical to Christian thought.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

People have choices?

Yes the choice to stay home or go protest and risk catching and spreading a virus , or catching and self isolating due to a
Virtue signalling !

I will say I believe the probability that many of these protestors are suffering economic , personal or health loss is pretty high. People are frustrated and the level of coping is dwindling.
What country are you in, what is the toll in your country?
Currently the global death toll from Covid is 5.7%. Brazil is experiencing 1 death a minute, India is in a very grave viral grip. The virus is worsening on a global scale. Buckle up, we are no where near the end of it.

I have said time and time again on CAF I dont give a fig for political rhetoric, all it does is ‘other’ and lead to extremely creative apologetics for less then perfect party politics.
One great example of that is the putting Trump on a pedastol as a Catholic and totally dismissing/ ignoring/ turning a blind eye to his true abortion policy. But hey, blinkers. You know how they work, right? On a

Did you answer my question, ever been personally the subject of racism?
What scale makes sin or racism acceptable

Yes the choice to stay home or go protest and risk catching and spreading a virus , or catching and self isolating due to a virus.

Virtue signalling !

I will say I believe the probability that many of these protestors are suffering economic , personal or health loss is pretty high. People are frustrated and the level of coping is dwindling.
What country are you in, what is the toll in your country?
Currently the global death toll from Covid is 5.7%. Brazil is experiencing 1 death a minute, India is in a very grave viral grip. The virus is worsening on a global scale. Buckle up, we are no where near the end of it.

I have said time and time again on CAF I dont give a fig for political rhetoric, all it does is ‘other’ and lead to extremely creative apologetics for less then perfect party politics.
One great example of that is the putting Trump on a pedastol as a Catholic and totally dismissing/ ignoring/ turning a blind eye to his true abortion policy. But hey, blinkers. You know how they work, right? On

Did you answer my question, ever been personally the subject of racism?
What scale makes sin or racism acceptable to you?
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People don’t have choices do they? That was my point. Businesses and church’s are forced to close with threat of prosecution if they break lock-down rules. For some reason however these protestors are exempt from these rules and some even those who claim to be Catholic locked out of their church’s still are ok with this.

Virtue signalling? Lol

Also I could care less for Donald Trump, this thread has nothing to do with him. Also i have not been the subject of racism that I can remember, I fail to see the relevance of that.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

You see this is called virtue signalling, jumping on a social issue because it’s trendy and makes one look good but the hippocricy is clear to see. This is the single biggest shocking thing for me in light of Covid-19 today which just last week was phrased especially by the left as the biggest threat to the west in 100 years but hey BLM right so riot, loot and protest for the eradication of the police all you want, just as long as you businesses and Church’s obey the lock-down law

Values in the politically correct religion are based on their political effectiveness. They have no intrinsic objective value in themselves. This is why they are thought of as hierarchical. A woke feminist today who should be lauded might be a rigid transphobe tomorrow who should be shunned. What was so important yesterday is not today even mentioned if it stands in the way of a possible favoured political outcome today.

President Bush when he was in office is a white patriarchal Christian war criminal but if he criticises President Trump today he is a moderate leader of the Republican party who we lament is no longer in power.

It is all tribal. There are no stable values or truth just narratives to gain power. This is antithetical to Christian thought.

True which is why it should be challenged and Christianity defended so that others don’t fall down the rabbit hole to where they are led away from the faith toward the dictatorship of relativism

 

[silentwitness]

True which is why it should be challenged and Christianity defended so that others don’t fall down the rabbit hole to where they are led away from the faith toward the dictatorship of relativism

I agree 100%.

Christianity is increasingly a religion of Africa and South America. We are all brothers in Christ. This should be the power that unites us.

Political correctness divides us and is a secular religion to gain political power based on forced tribalism.

Why is it such a difficulty to reject anti Christian Leftism and create a better world through Christianity?’

The problem as i see it, is that anti Christian Leftism has infiltrated and conquered large parts of Western society so that goodness itself can only be expressed and sought after in secular terms.

Everyone must be made to recognise, prioritise and address “social justice” in secular political terms. We must also ignore that these secularised social justice issues never get solved or reconciled and are indeed made far worse in the areas heavily controlled by the secular Leftists themselves. These people do not want to solve any of these problems. They need them to be lightening rods of support for those taught in Leftist education systems that only Leftist politics is the answer.

We have a black man dying in custody in a city run by Democrats for decades and yet the anger and political scapegoating is irrationally directed at the Republican President in Washington DC who criticised the police action and wants the case expedited. This reaction to Trump is deliberately evil and against the Christian values of truth and logic.

People are being used and abused because their ethical values have been captured by Leftist politics.

My family came from the ‘blue collar worker class’ side of politics. Decades ago Christian social justice was the guiding ideology of those politics and of my family. Those politics have now been infiltrated and conquered by Leftism and many people in the church move to a secular drum thinking it is Christian.

A president accepts an invitation to visit a Catholic shrine and in a time of civil unrests holds a bible above his head outside another church that was burned the night before and Christians are looking to their secular masters as to which critical political narrative they should follow.

The president speaks of equality before the law in moving and unifying terms in line with Christian principles and yet Christians look to follow the manufactured secular narrative that Trump claims George Floyd is happy today about his jobs report.

There is no ultimate truth in Leftism because for the secular people who control that movement there is no objective truth which is God.

There are only competing (and approved) histories of oppression that are used and abused for political outcomes.

I do not know a lot about BLM but i know there are a lot of groups run by anti Christian secular activists who demand everyone, including Christians, bend the knee and submit to their political truth.

For the Christian this should be the very definition of evil.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

People don’t have choices do they? That was my point. Businesses and church’s are forced to close with threat of prosecution if they break lock-down rules. For some reason however these protestors are exempt from these rules and some even those who claim to be Catholic locked out of their church’s still are ok with this.

Virtue signalling? Lol

Also I could care less for Donald Trump, this thread has nothing to do with him. Also i have not been the subject of racism that I can remember, I fail to see the relevance of that.

slow down , read and consider what I am saying in reply to you. The context of each sentence appears to be getting lost.

Quit with the left and right rhetoric if your care factor about politics is zero. Trump is the left or the right or the something inbetween when we throw those convenient divisive terms around.

I have been the subject of personal racism, all through childhood and as an adult. Your statement

Racism exists as much as sin exists, it isn’t however happening on the scale those on the left claim and the nonsense of white privilege has been refuted

especially your scale of apologetics for it does not speak from applied theory, only a textbook.

How do we improve and change? At grass roots level. That means stamping out racism one incident at a time, no matter its magnitude. Over the next few future generations.

Ever been bullied as a child? If yes, how did it go for your place in space? As a comparison.

 

[Paddy1989]

Virtue signalling? Lol

Also I could care less for Donald Trump, this thread has nothing to do with him. Also i have not been the subject of racism that I can remember, I fail to see the relevance of that.
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slow down , read and consider what I am saying in reply to you. The context of each sentence appears to be getting lost.

Quit with the left and right rhetoric if your care factor about politics is zero. Trump is the left or the right or the something inbetween when we throw those convenient divisive terms around.

I have been the subject of personal racism, all through childhood and as an adult. Your statement

Racism exists as much as sin exists, it isn’t however happening on the scale those on the left claim and the nonsense of white privilege has been refuted

especially your scale of apologetics for it does not speak from applied theory, only a textbook.

How do we improve and change? At grass roots level. That means stamping out racism one incident at a time, no matter its magnitude. Over the next few future generations.

Ever been bullied as a child? If yes, how did it go for your place in space? As a comparison.
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How do we improve and change? By following Christ and his teachings, it’s that simple. Not allowing ourselves to get dragged down the rabbit hole of Marxist rhetoric which only seeks to use division as a force to pursue an agenda of unity, it’s really quite ridiculous when you read into it

I come from a land with a past deeply divided with sectarianism where rather than racism it was sectarianism that oppressed a large group of people, Irish Catholics. Being an Irish Republican and deeply involved within it one of the things Republicans started to ask themselves after the peace process brought about immense change was how Nationalist communities who were previously under funded and on the poverty line, where the Sectarian police force discriminated against and downright murdered innocent nationalist was worse off than before in terms of crime and social problems after a new power sharing state and institutions were established.

The obvious solution for some was to do what the IRA had always done which was police their community through vigilantism however this did little to stop the scourge of drugs and anti social behavior.

While certainly not to the scale of black communities in the US as nationalist communities in Ireland even today still hold strong to Christian family values. While this is decreasing especially with the liberal and secular media having so much influence on young people it still holds some weight. One can easily compare the similarities between such communities with their oppressed pasts and how even when equality had been established it’s problems only got worse in other aspects. The solution is obvious but it require effort. It requires one to reject the ego centric relativistic society we live in and embrace Christ and his teachings. It requires one to take responsibility for their actions in life

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I have always wanted to type this in an Irish accent

paddy, paddy paddy!

But wait, I have to read your reply. I was just thinking about St Patrick , snakes in Ireland, evolution and land bridges.
You guys have awesome racehorse studs too.

yes we are doomed to repeat the past if we do not learn from it, and we dont learn that fast.
I was watching a doco on Northern Ireland, even today the troubles exist and woe betide the Catholic who wanders into the wrong side of town so to speak.

 

[Paddy1989]

I have always wanted to type this in an Irish accent

paddy, paddy paddy!

But wait, I have to read your reply. I was just thinking about St Patrick , snakes in Ireland, evolution and land bridges.

Unfortunately the snakes are reappearing in Ireland . The racehorses are still going strong though

 

[Paddy1989]

I have always wanted to type this in an Irish accent

paddy, paddy paddy!

But wait, I have to read your reply. I was just thinking about St Patrick , snakes in Ireland, evolution and land bridges.
You guys have awesome racehorse studs too.

yes we are doomed to repeat the past if we do not learn from it, and we dont learn that fast.
I was watching a doco on Northern Ireland, even today the troubles exist and woe betide the Catholic who wanders into the wrong side of town so to speak.

Yea unfortunately it still exists to an extent but it has changed massively in that most communities now live peacefully side by side. It’s definitely moving in the right direction. It took alot of forgiveness from both sides, something all Christian denominations were instrumental in bringing about through reconciliation.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

This explains the principle of Black Lives Matter and why it cannot be adequately answered by “All Lives Matter.”

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[Paddy1989]

This explains the principle of Black Lives Matter and why it cannot be adequately answered by “All Lives Matter.”

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I agree if their narrative about it being racist made sense thus legitimizing their cause

 

[Freddy]

I agree if their narrative about it being racist made sense thus legitimizing their cause

You do know which figure most people would nominate you as being?

 

[sealabeag]

The issue the OP is raising is what the group known as Black Lives Matter believe, which is basically cultural Marxism and generally un-Catholic ideology. Racism is bad, police brutality is bad, and of course the lives of black people matter. The group/movement known as “Black Lives Matter”, however, is bad.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The issue the OP is raising is what the group known as Black Lives Matter believe, which is basically cultural Marxism…

And I reject the notion that the majority of people in the streets protesting with Black Lives Matter signs are in any way associated with the website upon which the OP is based. So any conclusion reached from that faulty assumption is null and void.