What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

who at it’s core invoke the destruction of the Christian family unit and it’s values

I’ve read the “What We Believe”. Not one mention of “destruction of the Christian family unit”.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Another question, where does Catholic teaching define the “CFU”? We are designed to live in community, large extended family groups were the way people lived for centuries around the world. The isolated nuclear family is a very modern, western, invention.

Surely your not serious?

 

[TheLittleLady]

Again, I believe that having extended family is a very good thing. When extended family is not possible, we need to have a close community of our brothers and sisters in Christ. We call Baptismal Sponsors “Godparents”, we celebrate in community.

The Church has never advised “isolate your spouse and children”.

 

[TULIPed]

Marchers individually can believe whatever they want, by protesting at a BLM they are in support of the movement BLM and it’s aims in trying to rectify police brutality through it’s aims.

I’m a Calvinist Protestant. I donate and participate in Catholic pro-life organizations. I (occasionally) attend Mass with my extended family (and quite enjoy it). I have a number of material disagreements with Catholic theology (obviously). Am I Catholic? Does my attendance at Mass, or giving to Catholic organizations mean I assent to all that’s in the RCC?

 

[sealabeag]

Do you believe that disrupting the nuclear family structure is an idea that is acceptable to a faithful Catholic? Yes or no.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Marchers individually can believe whatever they want, by protesting at a BLM they are in support of the movement BLM and it’s aims in trying to rectify police brutality through it’s aims.

I’m a Calvinist Protestant. I donate and participate in Catholic pro-life organizations. I (occasionally) attend Mass with my extended family (and quite enjoy it). I have a number of material disagreements with Catholic theology (obviously). Am I Catholic? Does my attendance at Mass, or giving to Catholic organizations mean I assent to all that’s in the RCC?

No but you support Catholic organizations even financially thus promote their aims, i applaud you for that. Thank you. Just don’t donate or support in anyway BLM and your golden

 

[Paddy1989]

Again, I believe that having extended family is a very good thing. When extended family is not possible, we need to have a close community of our brothers and sisters in Christ. We call Baptismal Sponsors “Godparents”, we celebrate in community.

The Church has never advised “isolate your spouse and children”.

Yea, see i’d advise you to read up on some of their literature, regarding same sex and transgender issues their idea of the family unit means they reject the traditional definition typically being of a man and woman

 

[TULIPed]

You’re welcome. What unites us is our shared believe in and love for Jesus Christ. Because of that - even though we disagree on things (some of them very important things) I march side by side with you in our fight for the sanctity and value in human life.

It would never occur to even the most rabid 5 pointer on my side to point me to the RCC, and specifically the section on say “Merit” and accuse me of being a heretical papist.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The website is merely laying out what the group aims…

The website has no authority over the vast number of people who proclaim that Black Lives Matter. They can lay out whatever they want. It means nothing to those that do not read that website.

BLM as a movement is organizing these events, getting funding from those who support it’s cause and using the momentum created to orientate the entire protest around one singular voice in what it believes will bring about change.

True. But BLM as a movement is not blacklivesmatter.com.

Listen i understand you don’t support them as a movement…

Ah, but I do support the movement.

Sorry, my definition of the group? What was that, exactly and what part of it do you disagree with?

If you are speaking about the entire group of protesters marching with signs that say Black Lives Matter, that is the definition of the group. It is not owned by any website.

Just to be clear, once more. There is a group. They have a name. The name of that group is “Black Lives Matter”.

That is not clear, because there are many groups that march under the banner of Black Lives Matter.

Therefore, as a Catholic, I oppose that group and what they believe.

Since you brought up your being Catholic, do you also support Pope Francis when he said of this incident:
“We can no longer turn a blind eye to the sin of racism.”

 

[Paddy1989]

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on issues concerning racial injustice, police brutality, criminal justice reform, Black immigration, economic injustice, LGBTQIA+ and human rights, environmental injustice, access to healthcare, access to quality education, and voting rights and suppression.

This initiative will inspire and motivate people to ask themselves and their candidates are you really addressing What Matters in 2020?

I’m also going to assume when they mean healthcare that will also be for abortion aswell.

 

[sealabeag]

If you are speaking about the entire group of protesters marching with signs that say Black Lives Matter, that is the definition of the group. It is not owned by any website.

Ok, do you support the ideas laid out on the BLM website? Just so I know where you stand.

That is not clear, because there are many groups that march under the banner of Black Lives Matter.

Okay then, lets not call it a group, lets call it a movement. Which you said you support. That movement was founded in 2016 by a self-proclaimed Marxist, a self-proclaimed “queer-activist” and others. That movement, which has a name, is called “Black Lives Matter”. This movement is a specific movement, with specific self-declared goals and ideas. It is seperate from the general population of anti-racist groups and the statement of fact, lowercase, “black lives matter”. Do you support that movement?

Since you brought up your being Catholic, do you also support Pope Francis when he said of this incident:
“We can no longer turn a blind eye to the sin of racism.”

Yes.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

If you are speaking about the entire group of protesters marching with signs that say Black Lives Matter, that is the definition of the group. It is not owned by any website.

Ok, do you support the ideas laid out on the BLM website? Just so I know where you stand.

Some of them. Not all of them.

That is not clear, because there are many groups that march under the banner of Black Lives Matter.

Okay then, lets not call it a group, lets call it a movement. Which you said you support. That movement was founded in 2016 by a self-proclaimed Marxist…

Nope. It began 3 years earlier in 2013, and it was not founded by any one person, but was an organic response to the death of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of his killer.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Again, I believe that we need to live in extended families/community.

 

[sealabeag]

Some of them. Not all of them.

Glad to know.

Nope. It began 3 years earlier in 2013, and it was not founded by any one person, but was an organic response to the death of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of his killer.

Nope. https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

 

[Lenny]

Just as the point is being stressed above re: BLM, you cannot remain with your foot in the door forever. At some point you must realize that of which was affirmed at the council of trent, that it is impossible to please God outside of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Have you received Holy Communion?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Some of them. Not all of them.

Glad to know.

Nope. It began 3 years earlier in 2013, and it was not founded by any one person, but was an organic response to the death of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of his killer.

Nope. https://blacklivesmatter.com/our-co-founders/

As I said before, I don’t give a hoot about what that website says. I remember 2013 and I remember hearing about Black Lives Matter at that time. Not 2016.

 

[BlueMaxx]

Colossians 3: 10-11

ALL LIVES MATTER

10 And putting on the new, him who is renewed unto knowledge, according to the image of him that created him.

11 Where there is neither Gentile nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian nor Scythian, bond nor free. But Christ is all, and in all.

‘Nuff said…

 

[sealabeag]

If you don’t care about facts it seems we can’t have a rational conversation. Ok.

 

[Welshrabbit]

Interesting that all three founders are women…

 

[Polak]

I posted this in another thread, but it’s probably better suited here.

BLMUK (UK version) has a GoFund page. On their page, where they have raised around £700,000 so far (almost $900,000), they have a long explanation about who they are. Here are some of the things they write.

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world.

They want to dismantle capitalism. Sounds a bit far left, no?

We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.

Oh look. They’re against right-wing governments. But this isn’t political, right?

We lift up the experiences of the most marginalised in our communities, including but not limited to working class queer, trans, undocumented, disabled, Muslim, sex workers, women/non-binary, HIV+ people.

What does fighting for gay rights, trans and non-binary people have to do with black lives?

Black people in the UK are more likely to be in prison than those in the US. This is racism.

Ok this one is just confusing. It looks like they’re complaining that black people in the UK have it worse than black people in the US.

Black workers are paid up to 20% less than their white counterparts.

If they mean for the exact same job, that’s just a straight up lie. If they mean generally, well yeah, possibly, but people have different jobs that pay different wages.

 

[EssentialBeing]

SECULARISM was a 16th century ideology that attempts to separate government from religion, As the atrocities of war were killing good people of faith & its bloody battles raged over varying interpretations of religion. The wealthy & powerful decided that politics & religion were not an excuse to kill each other, called for a system of government founded on Christian principals but devoid of devotion to it.

I don’t necessarily agree with secularism but am grateful that Catholics stopped killing Catholics. If only we could expand this to include all people & all religions of good faith

As for the elements of the Christian Left & to call it destructive, seems to never point out & forget that the Christian Right is also destructive.