What Black Lives Matter Believe

[sealabeag]

You’re probably right, actually. It’s likely that many of the protestors have no idea what “Black Lives Matter” believe, what their ideology is. We agree. It’s not a good thing that they don’t know what the movement whose slogans they are repeating believe, though. Anyway that’s not the issue the OP was raising, he was pointing out the problems with the actual BLM group/movement.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

I agree if their narrative about it being racist made sense thus legitimizing their cause

You do know which figure most people would nominate you as being?

I have no doubt anyday now your going to tell me

 

[Paddy1989]

sealabeag:

The issue the OP is raising is what the group known as Black Lives Matter believe, which is basically cultural Marxism…

And I reject the notion that the majority of people in the streets protesting with Black Lives Matter signs are in any way associated with the website upon which the OP is based. So any conclusion reached from that faulty assumption is null and void.

Sorry, thats where i disagree, when you stand with and protest at a BLM protest your supporting that movement whether your passive to it or not. You being there as another number add to the momentum they gain in putting pressure on politicians to achieve their political goals. The less numbers there are the less relevant they are. Tell me why not organize an independent BLM protest not associated with an anti Catholic Marxist group? Given that their goals from the outset BEGINS with defunding the police, a concept proposed by anarchists by you being there regardless of whether it’s to show support for police brutality your helping them achieve their goals.

I mean imagine someone going to a communist party organised protest and claiming they are only going to voice their disapproval at the conditions of the poor. Catholics didn’t do that, they instead formed their own worker movements and aimed to bring about change within the framework of Catholic social teaching rather than aid the Marxists in gaining momentum. If they did aid Marxists in their agenda then they were either pledging allegiance to it’s materialistic philosophy above God or they were making their own funeral

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I just see that cartoon as a completely unsympathetic possible psycopathic j …r…k…standing there with no links to any organisation or group because of his nature.
There is a saying for his attitude and lack of generosity of spirit I cannot repeat here due to that good old flag target.
There are a few of those around here who wont even raise an emergency call for a paramedic when needed.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You’re probably right, actually. It’s likely that many of the protestors have no idea what “Black Lives Matter” believe, what their ideology is.

It is irrelevant what some website says. That website does not own the movement. If I were to start a website called stopabortionnow.com and place some unspeakably terrible things on it, does that mean that all people who might carry a sign that says “Stop Abortion Now” are implicitly supporting my website? Of course not.

Sorry, thats where i disagree, when you stand with and protest at a BLM protest your supporting that movement whether your passive to it or not.

See above.

 

[sealabeag]

Sorry but you’re missing the point here. There is a group by the name of “Black Lives Matter”. This particular group has some self-declared, very un-Catholic beliefs. What exactly are we arguing about? I’m not talking about people who support a variety of positive causes. I am talking about a particular group.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Sorry but you’re missing the point here. There is a group by the name of “Black Lives Matter”. This particular group has some self-declared, very un-Catholic beliefs. What exactly are we arguing about? I’m not talking about people who support a variety of positive causes. I am talking about a particular group.

I disagree with your definition of the group. I also disagree with the right-wing Daily Mail’s opinion of the actual website they cited. They did cite one un-Catholic belief: the normalization of transgenderism. But they did so only to the extent that they pledge support for such people when they are unfairly targeted for violence. I can be against transgenderism, and still not want to see a transgender black woman brutalized.

 

[Paddy1989]

sealabeag:

You’re probably right, actually. It’s likely that many of the protestors have no idea what “Black Lives Matter” believe, what their ideology is.

It is irrelevant what some website says. That website does not own the movement. If I were to start a website called stopabortionnow.com and place some unspeakably terrible things on it, does that mean that all people who might carry a sign that says “Stop Abortion Now” are implicitly supporting my website? Of course not.

Sorry, thats where i disagree, when you stand with and protest at a BLM protest your supporting that movement whether your passive to it or not.

See above.

The website is merely laying out what the group aims to achieve through it’s activism including these protests. BLM as a movement is organizing these events, getting funding from those who support it’s cause and using the momentum created to orientate the entire protest around one singular voice in what it believes will bring about change.

Listen i understand you don’t support them as a movement and i respect that, i’m merely pointing out that BLM is a movement and these protests are to further the aims of that movement in which it organizes. The protests are called BLM because they are to support the BLM.

If someone created a website called i like pink giraffes with the aim of genetically mutating all giraffes to be pink and i organised a protest called i like pink giraffe’s it’s clearly obvious the movement i’m supporting and drawing attention toward. you’ll have to pardon the loopyness, it’s late lol

 

[blackforest]

I won’t have time to address every point made to me this morning, but I’ll address these.

At the very least, that is who is funding them.

Have you been to a March for Life? You’ll meet everyone there from the Catholics to Baptists to atheists. Republicans and Democrats both show up. They’re part of the pro-life movement. They have different beliefs, but all want to end abortion.

They may even disagree on how to get there, with some focused on providing financial and emotional resources to women and others lobbying legislators to ban abortion. But in one way or another, they all want to end abortion. They’re part of the pro-life movement.

BLM marchers may have different beliefs, but they all want an end to police violence against African-Americans. They may disagree on how to get there, (Defunding? Hiring better officers with better pay? More external investigations?), but they don’t want their sons and daughter unjustly shot or strangled.

Now I realize this is confusing to some in this thread, including the OP who started it, but the people running the Black Lives Matter webpage confiscated the slogan and used it to name an organization. There is no requirement to belong to that organization or believe every last tenet of that organization. Nobody has to be funded by that organization in order to show up and march.

Do you now see the difference between a movement and an organization?

I dont mind protesters, but they shoud self isolate afterwards and get tested

This is a good point. Did you read the letter signed by health officials? You’d think that contagious pathogens mutate into something harmless if a cause is righteous enough. Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter saying, Don't shut down protests using coronavirus concerns as an excuse - CNN

"However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators’ ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders."

 

[sealabeag]

Sorry, my definition of the group? What was that, exactly and what part of it do you disagree with? Have you been on the BLM website and read their beliefs? They are laid out in detail there: https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
Read that whole thing and come tell me that is a list of acceptable principles for a Catholic.
I didn’t cite anything by the Daily Mail so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.
Who wants to see a transgender black woman brutalised? Nobody in this thread.

Just to be clear, once more. There is a group. They have a name. The name of that group is “Black Lives Matter”. That group believes in certain ideas, which they have laid out in writing, which are in direct opposition to Catholicism. Therefore, as a Catholic, I oppose that group and what they believe. That’s all.

 

[Paddy1989]

sealabeag:

Sorry but you’re missing the point here. There is a group by the name of “Black Lives Matter”. This particular group has some self-declared, very un-Catholic beliefs. What exactly are we arguing about? I’m not talking about people who support a variety of positive causes. I am talking about a particular group.

I disagree with your definition of the group. I also disagree with the right-wing Daily Mail’s opinion of the actual website they cited. They did cite one un-Catholic belief: the normalization of transgenderism. But they did so only to the extent that they pledge support for such people when they are unfairly targeted for violence. I can be against transgenderism, and still not want to see a transgender black woman brutalized.

Actually there were several big no no no’s for us Catholic including the destruction traditional family unit in what it proposes more of a collective family in society, now where have we heard that before. The destruction in what it claims is a patriarchal society. The association with same sex and transgender struggles etc

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

 

[StudentMI]

Just to be clear, once more. There is a group. They have a name. The name of that group is “Black Lives Matter”. That group believes in certain ideas, which they have laid out in writing, which are in direct opposition to Catholicism. Therefore, as a Catholic, I oppose that group and what they believe. That’s all.

So do I. But the protests must be understood in a different context. It’s more like the Occupy protests which saw a bunch of different viewpoints united around a certain talking point. That’s what these BLM protests are. Not united around a certain group.

 

[blackforest]

Listen i understand you don’t support them as a movement and i respect that, i’m merely pointing out that BLM is a movement and these protests are to further the aims of that movement in which it organizes. The protests are called BLM because they are to support the BLM

This is inaccurate and incorrect. Can you provide evidence that every last marcher monolithically believes the same thing about how to respond to police violence targeting African-Americans?

There is a group by the name of “Black Lives Matter”. This particular group has some self-declared, very un-Catholic beliefs. What exactly are we arguing about?

See above. One BLM group is a movement. Catholics in good standing can be part of the movement. The other BLM group is an official organization with un-Catholic teachings.

 

[sealabeag]

That’s fine, but I didn’t mention the protests at all. I was only talking about the group known as BLM. Of course the protests contain a variety of people with diverse beliefs. Definitely. There is an complex argument surrounding the organisers of the protests, the use of the actual phrase “Black Lives Matter” and so forth, but I wasn’t getting into that, just the issues with the actual BLM group.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Listen i understand you don’t support them as a movement and i respect that, i’m merely pointing out that BLM is a movement and these protests are to further the aims of that movement in which it organizes. The protests are called BLM because they are to support the BLM

This is inaccurate and incorrect. Can you provide evidence that every last marcher monolithically believes the same thing about how to respond to police violence targeting African-Americans?

There is a group by the name of “Black Lives Matter”. This particular group has some self-declared, very un-Catholic beliefs. What exactly are we arguing about?

See above. One BLM group is a movement. Catholics in good standing can be part of the movement. The other BLM group is an official organization with un-Catholic teachings.

Marchers individually can believe whatever they want, by protesting at a BLM they are in support of the movement BLM and it’s aims in trying to rectify police brutality through it’s aims. I mean people aren’t protesting just because they disagree with police brutality, they are protesting against police brutality in support of BLM because of it’s aims to revolutionize the system otherwise they wouldn’t be at a protest in support of BLM which is why it’s called a BLM protest.

It couldn’t be any clearer

 

[blackforest]

You’re still confusing movement with organization.

 

[TheLittleLady]

who at it’s core invoke the destruction of the Christian family unit and it’s values

I’ve read the “What We Believe”. Not one mention of “destruction of the Christian family unit”.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Another question, where does Catholic teaching define the “CFU”? We are designed to live in community, large extended family groups were the way people lived for centuries around the world. The isolated nuclear family is a very modern, western, invention.

 

[sealabeag]

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

 

[TheLittleLady]

Again, that is the way that people have lived since the beginning. Jesus was raised in a large, extended family.

 

[sealabeag]

Ok, disrupting the nuclear family structure is okay? Good? Acceptable for Catholics?
Do you believe that this group is acceptable for Catholics?